[VS] killer bee & Raikage A vs kisame & kakuzu

[kakashi ms]

bee is so underrated, bee and ay win

 

[lanakui8]

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Since you're the type to talk about accepting concessions, I might as well do the same. Saying B could swim faster in water than Kisame lmaoo. You got proved wrong and just ignored but I won't even focus on that.

When did you prove me wrong on that? I showed you kisame being unable to catch bee while he's dragging a gigantic creature behind him and the samurai. Obviously if he's not faster than V2 bee w/ deadweight, then V2 bee's going to be faster than him w/o deadweight.

You keep on talking about B having intel when it won't change anything since his chakra would still be absorbed as long as it's V1 or V2.

That's completely and utterly irrelevant and i've explained why three times already. With intel, he doesn't take those actions that get his chakra absorbed AND DON'T KILL KISAME.

It's been shown already but it's pointless arguing with someone who just wants to argue for the sake of it. He knew about his chakra being absorbed yet he still attacked. I've shown you 3 times now but you keep arguing it.

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He finds out here his chakra is drained(the samurai even tells him it's the sword that's absorbing it). He attacked in the next chapter

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and clearly they say it absorbs it AGAIN

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Bee attacks yet again and his chakra is absorbed

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This is 100% conclusive proof that you are either blatantly attacking a strawman or you simply didn't even read my posts. I've never EVER EVER said that Bee w/ intel is going to attack kisame w/o getting his chakra absorbed. What I said is that Kisame PULLS A POSITIVE BECAUSE OF BEE'S LACK OF INTEL. With full intel, does bee try to headbutt kisame with V1? No, because he knows kisame will just absorb his chakra. With full intel, does bee charge at kisame in V1? No, because he knows samehada can dodge his attack and counter him. With full intel, does bee hit kisame with V2 and just stand there? No, because he knows samehada will crawl to kisame and start regenerating all the damage.

You said B could easily finish him off after V2 LARIAT which won't happen due to Kisame's rapid regeneration. Kisame is shown holding his sword while flying back, he could regenerate as quick as possible if he wants. Not to mention since he has intel he can merge from the start and absorb B as long as he comes in contact like here

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Kisame merged with samehada is not surviving a V2 lariat when Kisame gets his chest blown open after the sword itself takes the brunt of the attack.

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That's more than enough time for V1 bee to

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and then end kisame.

Smh look Kisame can still use this

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and this happens when B comes in contact

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because even base bee = neji, base lee and base ten ten.... because bee doesn't blow the water off when he activates any of his jinchuriki forms. Because bee doesn't just transform and nuke kisame and his clones off the planet.

The samurai wasn't distracting Kisame? smh

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Kisame running towards him to kill him.
Kisame attacking B and him attacking Kisame

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. Kisame engaging the Samurai and B attacking him

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. Kisame still reacting to B from behind after focusing on the samurai

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right, because bee with or without intel was going to lose to kisame before activating any of his jinchuriki forms. The battled hadn't even started yet, bee is still in base, unless you think he's not going to transform, the samurai helping him in base means nothing. Plus, bee and the samurai were actually beating kisame at that time considering kisame didn't do any damage to bee, yet he gets stabbed in the shoulder by one of bee's swords.

Taking them out of the water dome doesn't change anything. Not to mention the water dome still absorbs chakra when you're in it

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So.... are you just going to state 'taking them out of the waterdome doesn't change anything' or are you going to explain why it doesn't change anything? Until you do, your statement is worthless and thus a concession of that argument. And don't waste my time with blatantly false statements like the bolded. Kisame is obviously refering to his attack

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that ended up sucking up almost all of bee's chakra.

If B decides to transform, Kisame uses the water dome. The point is not to let him use whirlwind. He uses it while B is transforming and B gets trapped regardless. Even if B uses whirlwind, that won't kill Kisame considering his regenerative abilities. Anyways, Kisame won't let him use it.

how does kisame or waterdome prevent bee from using it? All you've said is 'kisame uses waterdome if bee transforms'... so what? How is waterdome going to prevent him from using whirlwind? How is whirlwind not going to blow apart the waterdome, and incaping kisame long enough to get blown off the planet by a bijuudama?

Wait, did just say Bijudama would destroy the water dome? Lmao then the other 3 would destroy Kisame?

um, yes i did.... considering you've given no reason to believe it wouldn't, then obviously you'd agree with me that it does destroy the water dome and the other 3 would destroy kisame as well. So the thread ends right here, bee uses rapidfire bijuudama. 1 detonates destroying the waterdome and the other three destroy the injured kisame.

Of course if Bijudama is fired in water, it would obviously be slower. Do I have to tell you that?

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how will the water slow the damas down when the water in close proximity will be turned into vapor?

Kisame moves fast in water and he'll be able to dodge it. He can use GSB

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which can absorb ninjutsu and make GSB bigger and stronger. 4 bijudamas that don't move linearly ?

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. Even if they did, the would still pass through GSB and make it stronger. They explode when they hit a target.
B would be at a disadvantage cuz even on dry land, Kisame was able to create water this big

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Sure kisame can dodge a direct hit from a bijuudama while underwater, he's still going to get hit by the blast when it goes off. Bee just fires the dama at the ground somewhere if he wants to detonate it in response to GSB, whirlwind GSB, or destroy GSB and the kisame who fired it by

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shouten kisame's water works are nothing compared to waterdome, and bee easily destroys the dome with whirlwind, a single rapid bijuudama or a bijuuwave, so i have no idea why you'd bring that up.

He can attack in water and create sharks to finish B off

Finish B off? Where's he part where he even does any damage to bee? Kisame gets whirlwinded and nuked, there's nothing he can do against that. Waterdome? whirlwind and nuked. GSB? whirlwind and nuked. fusion? whirlwinded and nuked.

 

[TRE MERCER]

bee is so underrated, bee and ay win

Please explain? Kisame absorbs everything in there arsenal.

 

[Haizaki]

When did you prove me wrong on that? I showed you kisame being unable to catch bee while he's dragging a gigantic creature behind him and the samurai. Obviously if he's not faster than V2 bee w/ deadweight, then V2 bee's going to be faster than him w/o deadweight.

Enough with this argument Lmao.

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Do you disregard the Manga this much. I've shown you this countless times. B is faster underwater than Kisame? What's your problem? This is why I'm thinking of not replying you.

That's completely and utterly irrelevant and i've explained why three times already. With intel, he doesn't take those actions that get his chakra absorbed AND DON'T KILL KISAME.

What's irrelevant is this nonsense you're posting. I've shown you how he knew about Kisame being able to absorb chakra and yet you keep coming up with complete nonsense of how he would take a different action with V1 OR V2 cloak. What actions? not to mention his attacks are close combat attacks so it won't change the fact that his chakra gets absorbed. He knew this when he attacked twice after his chakra was absorbed the first time.

This is 100% conclusive proof that you are either blatantly attacking a strawman or you simply didn't even read my posts. I've never EVER EVER said that Bee w/ intel is going to attack kisame w/o getting his chakra absorbed. What I said is that Kisame PULLS A POSITIVE BECAUSE OF BEE'S LACK OF INTEL. With full intel, does bee try to headbutt kisame with V1? No, because he knows kisame will just absorb his chakra. With full intel, does bee charge at kisame in V1? No, because he knows samehada can dodge his attack and counter him. With full intel, does bee hit kisame with V2 and just stand there? No, because he knows samehada will crawl to kisame and start regenerating all the damage.

Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Point is B knew after he attacked the first time and he was told it was the sword. I've shown you

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. He knew this but he still attacked again. He attacked with V2 again after the sword dodged him. Even if the sword dodged the second time, who wields the sword? It's Kisame. If he had intel from the start and attacked with V1, it would be the same. V2 would get absorbed like it was.

Kisame merged with samehada is not surviving a V2 lariat when Kisame gets his chest blown open after the sword itself takes the brunt of the attack.

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That's more than enough time for V1 bee to

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and then end kisame.

Lol first you said "He won't survive the lariat if he absorbs samehada" Wow you're just too funny. Tell me what sense that makes? Samehada already has the ability of feeling chakra on its own. Kisame doesn't have that ability but when fused with samehada, he could feel chakra

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and you think he won't be able to absorb chakra like samehada did and turn chakra into stamina with himself? smh

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. Kisame absorbed B's chakra when B just touched him

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Like he said there. Lariat would still have V2 abosrbed as long as he touches Kisame or Kisame touches him. Either way it gets absorbed and turned into stamina.

What are you on about? Kisame was holding the sword when he was sent flying

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as shown in the top left. They separated when he hit the tree behind him

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. When he's flying he could just merge and give him stamina. As simple as that. Not like samehada was feeling pain. Even when Kisame was injured they were still able to merge so what stops them from merging before landing. Anyways this may not even be needed as he can merge before that if there's any need for it.

because even base bee = neji, base lee and base ten ten.... because bee doesn't blow the water off when he activates any of his jinchuriki forms. Because bee doesn't just transform and nuke kisame and his clones off the planet.

Lol what? Nonsense all requires is just contact

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. Transforming to V2 won't do jack. Only Neji's style which involves releasing chakra from his body to disrupt its chakra has be shown. Full transformation because it's huge but blowing the water off by transforming to anything other than the 8tails itself is ridiculous.

right, because bee with or without intel was going to lose to kisame before activating any of his jinchuriki forms. The battled hadn't even started yet, bee is still in base, unless you think he's not going to transform, the samurai helping him in base means nothing. Plus, bee and the samurai were actually beating kisame at that time considering kisame didn't do any damage to bee, yet he gets stabbed in the shoulder by one of bee's swords.

Lmaoo weren't you the one who was saying the samurai was one of the reasons why B wasn't fairing well. Not my problem what version he transforms to. The point I gave was to prove your claim about the "samurai NOT beng a distraction to Kisame" wrong. You said the samurai and Ponta were the reason B lost. False.

So.... are you just going to state 'taking them out of the waterdome doesn't change anything' or are you going to explain why it doesn't change anything? Until you do, your statement is worthless and thus a concession of that argument. And don't waste my time with blatantly false statements like the bolded. Kisame is obviously refering to his attack

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that ended up sucking up almost all of bee's chakra.

What's worthless is this nonsense you keep posting. Explain what to you? Someone who thinks B is faster and can escape Kisame underwater? Lmao. Or B can win against Kisame underwater. Even when Kisame let B live and let Zetsu have fun with B?

Why the heck am I still arguing with you? This is what you're saying now "Kisame is obviously refering to his attack

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that ended up sucking up almost all of bee's chakra.[/QUOTE]" . This is complete rubbish. Pure rubbish
-That scan you posted was posted 2 pages after.
- You're interpreting it wrongly.

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It was even translated below as "Water prison shark dance technique" that refers to the prison itself sucking his chakra.

Even when interpreted you still argue that he was referring to a different technique? Don't waste my own time. You clearly have nothing to say. Not even going to bother after this.

how does kisame or waterdome prevent bee from using it? All you've said is 'kisame uses waterdome if bee transforms'... so what? How is waterdome going to prevent him from using whirlwind? How is whirlwind not going to blow apart the waterdome, and incaping kisame long enough to get blown off the planet by a bijuudama?

If B uses whirlwind when he's not in the water dome, Kisame would not even be damaged due to the water following Kisame since he's basically the center of it and regeneration. If he's inside and decides to use it, it would be less effective or rather useless. Inside water that attack would be weak. Whirlwind involves the 8 tails spinning fast

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as we can see Naruto holding onto him

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and still moving really fast. In water how is he spinning fast like that? It would be useless.

um, yes i did.... considering you've given no reason to believe it wouldn't, then obviously you'd agree with me that it does destroy the water dome and the other 3 would destroy kisame as well. So the thread ends right here, bee uses rapidfire bijuudama. 1 detonates destroying the waterdome and the other three destroy the injured kisame.

smh you're actually funny. The thread surely ends here cuz I probably won't reply any gibberish you spout after this . You won yaaay.
If outside the waterdome and B fires 3 bijuudamas, they would have to pass through the water dome to kill Kisame and that would make the bijuudamas slower and give Kisame time to act. GSB handles the 3 anyways.

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how will the water slow the damas down when the water in close proximity will be turned into vapor?

Lmao that's why suigetsu merged with water was able to protect taka despite them running straight from it and he also wasn't killed by Tbb, they weren't touched by it

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. I don't see any vapor.

Sure kisame can dodge a direct hit from a bijuudama while underwater, he's still going to get hit by the blast when it goes off. Bee just fires the dama at the ground somewhere if he wants to detonate it in response to GSB, whirlwind GSB, or destroy GSB and the kisame who fired it by

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The blast doesn't touch him anyways. Not when he can fire GSB. Lol what?? So according to what you're saying. B fires a bijudama, Kisame uses GSB in response to bijudama cuz it absorbs ninjutsu and B redirects it after it has been fired? Lool smh just quit this joke.
GSB isn't for that reason, he would attack in order to absorb the attack since he knows B's TBB is stronger than GSB but that doesn't mean it can't be absorbed.

If B uses the blast after GSB has absorbed the continuous TBBS, it won't do jack since GSB absorbed the other attacks making it stronger.