naruto7861
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Killer bee & Raikage A vs kisame & kakuzu
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[VS] killer bee & Raikage A vs kisame & kakuzu
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bobtheboober
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omg yu've made 10 threads in the last half hour
sdfu stop
btw kisame and kakuzu win bee cant use whirlwind with ay there and that's like the only thing capable of killing them (tbb can be absorbed but even then that would vaporize ay so he couldnt use it)
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btw kisame and kakuzu win bee cant use whirlwind with ay there and that's like the only thing capable of killing them (tbb can be absorbed but even then that would vaporize ay so he couldnt use it)
Killer Bee and A win rather easily
--A is too fast for both of them especially once he enters V2,, not to mention that the starting distance of 30m means that they can behead Kakuzu right at the beginning with a double lariat
--They can also double lariat kisame right at the beginning seeing how he is not surviving from getting beheaded now that zetsu is not here to assist him
--A's raiton affinity can also counter kakuzus doton: domu durability rather easily,,
--A can also stall kisame long enough for bee to ennter full hachibi mode,, seeing how kisame would get ragdolled due to him not being able to react to V2 A's speed at alll,, let alone effectively get samehada in place to absorb his V2 shroud
--A proceeds to stand on top of hachibi and allow killer bee to fire off a barrage of TBB or Super TBBs that will nuke the duo off the planet,,,,
--if this battle is CQC or a mid/llong range fight,, either way the akatsuki duo do not stand a chance
--A is too fast for both of them especially once he enters V2,, not to mention that the starting distance of 30m means that they can behead Kakuzu right at the beginning with a double lariat
--They can also double lariat kisame right at the beginning seeing how he is not surviving from getting beheaded now that zetsu is not here to assist him
--A's raiton affinity can also counter kakuzus doton: domu durability rather easily,,
--A can also stall kisame long enough for bee to ennter full hachibi mode,, seeing how kisame would get ragdolled due to him not being able to react to V2 A's speed at alll,, let alone effectively get samehada in place to absorb his V2 shroud
--A proceeds to stand on top of hachibi and allow killer bee to fire off a barrage of TBB or Super TBBs that will nuke the duo off the planet,,,,
--if this battle is CQC or a mid/llong range fight,, either way the akatsuki duo do not stand a chance
swirlyshark
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Are y'all serious? Kisame already beat killer bee 1v1 even though he couldn't go full 8 tails becuz of that old man but he can't go out all out with his brother being there either and kakazu can stall Ay long enough for kisame to beat bee and then them two together can handle Ay I think they take it high diff
Bee solos.
The only reason kisame beat him was because of 3 factors:
1) Bee had zero knowledge on Kisame
2) Bee couldn't use full bijuu mode
3) Bee had to save ponta and the samurai from water dome
With manga knowledge, bee doesn't fool around with V1 states, he either goes V2 and lariats kisame, then gets rid of the sword before kisame can fuse with it, or goes full bijuu mode and nukes kisame with either rapidfire bijuudama or bijuuwave. I have no idea why bee would be restricted from using his bijuudama or whirlwind with ei there, KCM Naruto was undamaged by bee's whirlwind by staying on Bee's head and ei isn't getting hit by a bijuudama if he's next to bee, on him or behind him. Plus, bee can protect ei with his tails.
Kakuzu isn't doing much to bee, his elemental attacks are nothing compared to what bee has been hit with in the manga, and I don't see him or his masks escaping or surviving rapidfire bijuudama's blasts.
The only reason kisame beat him was because of 3 factors:
1) Bee had zero knowledge on Kisame
2) Bee couldn't use full bijuu mode
3) Bee had to save ponta and the samurai from water dome
With manga knowledge, bee doesn't fool around with V1 states, he either goes V2 and lariats kisame, then gets rid of the sword before kisame can fuse with it, or goes full bijuu mode and nukes kisame with either rapidfire bijuudama or bijuuwave. I have no idea why bee would be restricted from using his bijuudama or whirlwind with ei there, KCM Naruto was undamaged by bee's whirlwind by staying on Bee's head and ei isn't getting hit by a bijuudama if he's next to bee, on him or behind him. Plus, bee can protect ei with his tails.
Kakuzu isn't doing much to bee, his elemental attacks are nothing compared to what bee has been hit with in the manga, and I don't see him or his masks escaping or surviving rapidfire bijuudama's blasts.
So what if Kisame didn't want to kill him, give kisame killer intent and what changes? He still beats bee only after using waterdome and tricking him by going after ponta. How is manga intel going to make kisame fair significantly better than what he came into that fight with? Look at everything kisame did against bee and it's all strictly due to lack of intel.
Bee didn't know samehada could absorb chakra: samehada absorbs his V1 cloak.
Bee didn't know samehada could parry his sword: samehada dodges his V1 strike and kisame absorbs his V1 cloak.
Bee didn't know Kisame could merge with samehada or that Kisame could heal: bee just stands around after blasting kisame's chest open with V2, which allows him to heal and to merge.
Bee didn't know kisamehada could absorb chakra directly from his body: bee charges at Kisame and gets his cloak absorbed.
Bee didn't know kisamehada could sense: bee uses ink smokescreen and gets blitzed.
literally every positive thing kisame did to bee was strictly due to bee having no knowledge on kisame's abilities. Kisame on the other hand, when did lack of knowledge on bee's abilities hurt him? Not once, the closest thing to kisame being hurt by knowledge is when he got his cheek cut by the raiton pencil and that's it.
If you actually had an argument, you would have shown what kisame has that counters what bee has when both have knowledge, when bee isn't protecting ponta, and when he's allowed his full abilities. How exactly is kakuzu doing anything significant to bee?
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so basically you have no counter to my arguments as you've given no reason to deny them, well then since you agree with me, next point.
You've straight up ignored my argument, the only reason his chakra got absorbed was because he lacked knowledge on samehada's ability to dodge and parry him on its own. If not for that, he punches a hole in the sword with his own sword.
Yeah, he attacked him with V2 which would get absorbed, but would have ended Kisame if not for samehada's ability to heal him with the absorbed chakra. So again, lack of knowledge on bee's part = kisame doing a positive.
of course he knew kisame was still alive, that's not the point. If Kisame didn't have the ability to heal, bee doesn't even have to attack him again as kisame's entire chest was blown apart and he would have shortly died after anyways.
B just standing there obviously completely changes the outcome since he's going to throw samehada or bat it away before it could heal kisame.
Did I say Kisame had full knowledge? If not, then why are you attacking that point?
Don't waste my time. Ponta was taken out before Bee even fought, the samurai attacked kisame that one time and never again, and the whole reason kisame was able to defend himself against the samurai and bee's attack was due to bee's lack of knowledge on samehada's absorbing abilities.
Flashforward to when both bee and kisame are getting serious, and Ponta and the samurai are the entire reason Bee loses. Take ponta and the samurai out of the picture and Kisame never catches V2 bee in the waterdome as kisame couldn't even catch bee while bee was carrying the boss summon with him.
Bee easily escapes the water prison with his V2 speed as kisame couldn't even catch him while he was dragging a boss summon behind him. That or he just kills Kisame with V2 lariat since this time his lariat won't have to go through samehada in order to get to kisame. Ponta didn't tell bee anything that he and the hachibi couldn't figure out on their own.
And for the second time, where's your argument about how kisame fairs against Bee's full powers? What is he going to do against whirlwind followed by rapidfire bijuudama or bijuuwave? What is he going to do against V2 bee who'll go for samehada immediately after he hits kisame?
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Benjamin King
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common sense doesn't say someone with killing intent would finish a battle faster than someone who's intent is to capture, common sense says that someone with killing intent wouldn't finish a battle slower than someone who's intent is to capture. Other than that, you've given no reason to support your claims that what i've said was irrelevant, and you didn't attack the logic that i've used to back up those assertions, thus that would be you conceding those arguments.
Concession accepted. You've straight up ignored my post two times in a row. The point isn't that 'killer bee still attacks kisame despite having knowledge on his absorption', the point of my post is that kisame only pulls off a positive in that situation because bee doesn't know that samehada can dodge his attack on its own. You have completely ignored that point and continued to attempt at attacking a strawman. Therefore until you address my actual arguments you've conceded them as they've gone untouched.
Concession accepted again. You've again straight up ignored my post two times in a row. The point of my argument here is not that Bee attacks kisame despite knowing he can absorb chakra or that kisame still absorbed bee's chakra after the attack, the point is that the only reason kisame survived that was because samehada can heal him which is something that bee had no idea about. Therefore once again, Kisame pulls off a positive because of Bee's lack of knowledge.
By the time bee noticed kisame was getting healed, it was too late, attacking him with V1 then would have been a repeat of what happened earlier. Kisame isn't going to do any attacking while his entire chest is blown away, he's only going to be able to do something after samehada heals his wounds. Other than that, you've given no reason to believe that bee w/ knowledge doesn't throw or kick samehada away and end kisame before the sword can crawl to him and heal him enough to the point that he can move again.
Kisame explicitly stated that the chakra was too much for him to absorb, and Samehada parried bee's strike while he was in V1. There's absolutely no reason for kisame to stand there and get hit by bee's lariat if he could dodge it or do something about it.
And yes, V1 bee would easily throw samehada from a Kisame who's in this kind of state. Why in the hell would he not be able to do such a thing? You claiming he doesn't, yet giving no evidence shows that you are the one who's completely motivated by personal biased. And this wouldn't be the first time you've exposed yourself like that when you make claims in other threads that chuunin exam neji's gentle fist can destroy ANYTHING made of chakra including PS and shinsuusenjuu.
Show me where you interpreted that. I've never said Bee had no knowledge and kisame had full, I said kisame only pulled off positives against bee because of bee's lack of knowledge.
Show me the samurai being a distraction to kisame. I have no idea why you keep on stating the bolded.
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Since you're the type to talk about accepting concessions, I might as well do the same. Saying B could swim faster in water than Kisame lmaoo. You got proved wrong and just ignored but I won't even focus on that. You keep on talking about B having intel when it won't change anything since his chakra would still be absorbed as long as it's V1 or V2.
It's been shown already but it's pointless arguing with someone who just wants to argue for the sake of it. He knew about his chakra being absorbed yet he still attacked. I've shown you 3 times now but you keep arguing it.
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He finds out here his chakra is drained(the samurai even tells him it's the sword that's absorbing it). He attacked in the next chapter
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and clearly they say it absorbs it AGAIN
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Bee attacks yet again and his chakra is absorbed
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. You said B could easily finish him off after V2 LARIAT which won't happen due to Kisame's rapid regeneration. Kisame is shown holding his sword while flying back, he could regenerate as quick as possible if he wants. Not to mention since he has intel he can merge from the start and absorb B as long as he comes in contact like here
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.Smh look Kisame can still use this
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and this happens when B comes in contact
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.The samurai wasn't distracting Kisame? smh
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Kisame running towards him to kill him.Kisame attacking B and him attacking Kisame
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. Kisame engaging the Samurai and B attacking him
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. Kisame still reacting to B from behind after focusing on the samurai
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.Taking them out of the water dome doesn't change anything. Not to mention the water dome still absorbs chakra when you're in it
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. B cannot do anything about the water dome.If B decides to transform, Kisame uses the water dome. The point is not to let him use whirlwind. He uses it while B is transforming and B gets trapped regardless. Even if B uses whirlwind, that won't kill Kisame considering his regenerative abilities. Anyways, Kisame won't let him use it.
Wait, did just say Bijudama would destroy the water dome? Lmao then the other 3 would destroy Kisame?
Of course if Bijudama is fired in water, it would obviously be slower. Do I have to tell you that? Kisame moves fast in water and he'll be able to dodge it. He can use GSB
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which can absorb ninjutsu and make GSB bigger and stronger. 4 bijudamas that don't move linearly ?
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. Even if they did, the would still pass through GSB and make it stronger. They explode when they hit a target. B would be at a disadvantage cuz even on dry land, Kisame was able to create water this big
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. He can attack in water and create sharks to finish B off
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TRE MERCER
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Kisame could solo. Any and everything in there arsenal is absorbed. All Kisame has to do is absorb Samehada and the rest is childs play. Water Shark bullet > Bijuudama barrage. They have no way of putting down Kisame.