Kill the hype! Kishi's words on konoha jutsu (Hiruzen misunderstanding)

[Rikudou Tobi]

Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

Viz debunked the clan hidden jutsus

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"Konoha style"? SERIOUSLY?, could a NB member deprave their dignity to such levels? "Konoha style", that's basically just means that it's a konoha version of one technique . Dude you will need a lot more evidence than just "style" after konoha to back up such a inconsistent claim.

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Dont waste my time.
This is another example.



OP just unlocked a trophy ///thread.

Konoha style is konoha jutsu just in case you haven't notice. Denying it's not the same is as stupid as saying wood style and wood jutsu is not the same.

This thread is strictly debunking Hiruzen's ability of using clan hidden abilities, now pay attention next time.

 

[Nobel]

Viz debunked the clan hidden jutsus


Konoha style is konoha jutsu just in case you haven't notice. Denying it's not the same is as stupid as saying wood style and wood jutsu is not the same.

This thread is strictly debunking Hiruzen's ability of using clan hidden abilities, now pay attention next time.

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It's really underwhelming by now. It's like saying that gentle fist isnt a konoha tajuutsu, whereas it actually is. Dont hide behind that pitiful excuse. It's nothing more than desperate excuse without actual backup claim.

There are only two "leaf style" techinques that are pretty much irrelevant, your statement have basically no basis.

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Viz debunked the clan hidden jutsus

Denying the databook is only your pathetic ignorance.

 

[MomoSaka]

Nice Truthfic

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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It's really underwhelming by now. It's like saying that gentle fist isnt a konoha tajuutsu, whereas it actually is. Dont hide behind that pitiful excuse. It's nothing more than desperate excuse without actual backup claim.

There are only two "leaf style" techinques that are pretty much irrelevant, your statement have basically no basis.

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It's not a konoha taijutsu, it's a hyuga taijutsu. Gentle fist is a taijutsu that require the user to attacks the inner coils that the chakra passes through, and in order for you to do that is to have a hyuga kekkai genkai like a byukgan.

You literally went full retard and just implied that Hiruzen has a kekkai genkai too. Just because clan hiddens are in the leaf doesn't mean that the village now owns the hidden jutsus in it. It's clan first then nationality.
You sound so stupid right now.

Denying the databook is only your pathetic ignorance.

That's not the databook you clown, it's not even out yet (English text). Keep denying the manga.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Perfect example of Hype got wild.

 

[lndra]

Hiruzen hype in 2017 XD

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Seems like the hype isn't coming to an end after all.

 

[Last Airbender]

That's not the databook you clown, it's not even out yet (English text). Keep denying the manga.

The Japanese text is the primary source.

 

[Exaar]

Well it's something new i'll give you that one but it's quite the reach to say "all existing Konoha jutsu" is only linked to Konoha style.

Jutsu basically means technique, So all Oro is saying is that Hiruzen can preform all of konoha's techniques, which covers elemental and Hidden technique and i no way limits him to Konoha style

If oro was limiting that statement to a single jutsu pool then he would of said he could preform all Konoha style jutsu (techniques).

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The Japanese text is the primary source.

Which nobody can translate into kishi's direct words in English. Most of the fan translation have already proven to be bias

Well it's something new i'll give you that one but it's quite the reach to say "all existing Konoha jutsu" is only linked to Konoha style.

Jutsu basically means technique, So all Oro is saying is that Hiruzen can preform all of konoha's techniques, which covers elemental and Hidden technique and i no way limits him to Konoha style

If oro was limiting that statement to a single jutsu pool then he would of said he could preform all Konoha style jutsu (techniques).

He didn't narrow it down to one single jutsu, he narrowed it down to one type of jutsu that comes with many variants.
Like wood style, it's not a singular jutsu, there are many variants to what type of wood styles there are out there. The one I showed you crescent moon is just one of the many konoha style out there. What it does distinguish the fact that Hiruzen cannot use clan secret techniques but only the konoha style (techniques) that exist within the village which is aparently over 1000 of them.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I doubt the old man has any legit fans, most I met here are trolls.

 

[Exaar]

He didn't narrow it down to one single jutsu, he narrowed it down to one type of jutsu that comes with many variants.
Like wood style, it's not a singular jutsu, there are many variants to what type of wood styles there are out there. The one I showed you crescent moon is just one of the many konoha style out there. What it does distinguish the fact that Hiruzen cannot use clan secret techniques but only the konoha style (techniques) that exist within the village which is aparently over 1000 of them.

He didn't narrow it down period.

He simply said he is able to preform all Konoha jutsu, which multiple 4th databook translations include hidden clan technique, Your own arguement agains them is "they're bias" when you have no evidence to prove it nor do you even know those who translated it.
At best your clutching at straws.

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Or if for what ever reason you don't want to believe that here is one another person translated.

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Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. All five nature alterations, Hidden (I think it means Clan based techniques), Genjutsu, all ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He didn't narrow it down period.

He simply said he is able to preform all Konoha jutsu, which multiple 4th databook translations include hidden clan technique, Your own arguement agains them is "they're bias" when you have no evidence to prove it nor do you even know those who translated it.
At best your clutching at straws.

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Or if for what ever reason you don't want to believe that here is one another person translated.

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Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. All five nature alterations, Hidden (I think it means Clan based techniques), Genjutsu, all ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

How about no, he made it abundantly clear that it was Konoha Justus only so do not add things like the tainted translation did.
You're using fanmade translation as a retort when I just pointed out the flaw of a fan translated page in the manga. You stick to what kishi said not what some random guy putting his words into context.

So that is not a confirmed datebook source and you can just drop those spoilers because it's not helping your case.

It's either viz official translation or go home.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Hiruzen > Momoshiki/Kinshiki
Hiruzen > Kaguya
Hiruzen > Hagoromo/Hamura
Hituzen > Indra/Ashura
Hiruzen > Hashirama/Madara
Hiruzen > Tobirama/Minato
Hiruzen > Obito/Nagato
Hiruzen > Naruto/Sasuke
Hiruzen > Itachi/Shisui.
Hiruzen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fodder Kawaki Filler.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

How about no, he made it abundantly clear that it was Konoha Justus only so do not add things like the tainted translation did.
You're using fanmade translation as a retort when I just pointed out the flaw of a fan translated page in the manga. You stick to what kishi said not what some random guy putting his words into context.

So that is not a confirmed datebook source and you can just drop those spoilers because it's not helping your case.

It's either viz official translation or go home.

But I'm wondering, hiruzen himself is a miracle in the shinobi world, since he could learn the five elements without hearts or sharingan like kakuzu or kakashi...so I think its possible for someone like him. Hidden clan techniques can be taught to shinobi unlike KKG. There's still a chance he has all jutsu in konoha since he has all nature releases in the databook. I dont think that could be a biased translation....though I think him using ftg and the sort are far fetched....

 

[Mellanoma]

He knows Konoha style techniques but doesn't know techniques in the leaf?

Considering they are in the land of Fire doesn't that mean the Leaf and Konoha are the same?

That distinction makes no sense at all considering Konoha and the leaf are one in the same.

Also Databook disagrees many times AND he canonically used all 5 elements. We also have portrayal and matching statements from both Orochimaru and Ebisu confirming your claims to be false

 

[Princess Kaguya]

The hype won't be killed over something like that. Believe in the hype!

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

But I'm wondering, hiruzen himself is a miracle in the shinobi world, since he could learn the five elements without hearts or sharingan like kakuzu or kakashi...so I think its possible for someone like him. Hidden clan techniques can be taught to shinobi unlike KKG. There's still a chance he has all jutsu in konoha since he has all nature releases in the databook. I dont think that could be a biased translation....though I think him using ftg and the sort are far fetched....

According to Shikamru to preform clan feats like that would require special chakra and energy. Like for Chouji to expand he needs caloric energy or the mental energy to use mind transfer. Also in the databook, it even confirms that Hiruzen cannot use these secret techniques. If Hiruzen had them he would have them in his databook profile like Ino, Choji, and Shikamaru.

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Hiruzen doesn't have it so it just confirms that Hiruzen cannot preform every secret art/Hiden in Konoha or any at all

 

[Nidaime Suiton]

Hiruzen known All Konoha Jutsu but he hadn't learned All Konoha Jutsu.

What I want explain is that Hiruzen known All Jutsu existing in the Leaf so he known All weakneses of these Jutsu.

For example against Hashirama's Wood style Jutsu he known how counter these jutsu.

Against Hashirama's Genjutsu he known how continue to fight even if he was in this Genjutsu.

In the anime , Hiruzen known how counter Tobirama's Suiton Shuishouha.

Hiruzen known Edo Tensei , and how to eliminate Reanimations (by scelling)

Hiruzen was the professor , he known All Konoha's jutsu , and to know it's not the same thing that able to use , it's just that if a Konoha shinobi use a Jutsu , Hiruzen would be able to recognize this Jutsu and how counter it.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

The dude could have IT for all I care and he’d still be nothing but hype, his greatest feat was as an edo, and he utterly failed as a kage, the dude is in all honesty kind of a joke of a high level nin, No one beats his hype/feat ratio or lack there of save for maybe shisui