Kid Madara has no feats on par with current Sarada.

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What does leadership have to do with anything? As if Butsuma Senju wasn’t the leader of his clan into adulthood in a war torn era. Also Fugaku wasn’t fodder either but you know that already too huh? Your just posting B.S at this point.



Madara was killing grown ass men who were Senju without his Sharningan, everything that Sarada has done up to now has been with her sharnigan. Like you honestly have to wiggle room for an argument here Wilds but it’s amusing to watch bring together scraps of an argument.
Can’t provide scans of these capable senju?

We supposed to trust word of mouth now and hype?

Madara a genius but Sarada is well above genin via databook stats, anime feats and manga feats.

All kid Madara has is him killing only 2 adults unde circumstances that we do not know of.

He could have ambushed them for all we know.
 
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Can’t provide scans of these capable senju?
I don’t have too, Hashirama’s father (Butsuma Senju‘s) words are enough, one would think a clan leader would know what a grown man of his own clan is capable of doing. You keep dodging the fact that Butsuma’s intel on 10ish year old Madara had Butsuma himself shooketh but continue on...

We supposed to trust word of mouth now and hype?
You know these characters aren’t actual people right? Their being written by kishi so nothing is coming out their mouths but more so from Kishi’s. So I’d say yes, we should trust the words that are being said or written by Kishimoto himself.

Madara a genius but Sarada is well above genin via databook stats, anime feats and manga feats.
The difference is that Madara was a genius in an era ridden with war and without Sharningan, like you’ve just undermined your entire point. There wasn’t rank when Madara was Sarada’s age but I bet if there is the one who was killing grown capable men who were Senju would outrank the other.

All kid Madara has is him killing only 2 adults unde circumstances that we do not know of.
Just two adult Senju’s? Where’d you get the number two from? Or is that another one of your assumptions? If so please understand that they have no place in an argument.

He could have ambushed them for all we know.
A 10 year old with no Sharningan ambushing Grown Senju Men?

Priceless!!!
 

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I don’t have too, Hashirama’s father (Butsuma Senju‘s) words are enough, one would think a clan leader would know what a grown man of his own clan is capable of doing. You keep dodging the fact that Butsuma’s intel on 10ish year old Madara had Butsuma himself shooketh but continue on...



You know these characters aren’t actual people right? Their being written by kishi so nothing is coming out their mouths but more so from Kishi’s. So I’d say yes, we should trust the words that are being said or written by Kishimoto himself.



The difference is that Madara was a genius in an era ridden with war and without Sharningan, like you’ve just undermined your entire point. There wasn’t rank when Madara was Sarada’s age but I bet if there is the one who was killing grown capable men who were Senju would outrank the other.



Just two adult Senju’s? Where’d you get the number two from? Or is that another one of your assumptions? If so please understand that they have no place in an argument.



A 10 year old with no Sharningan ambushing Grown Senju Men?

Priceless!!!
All this talk, no scans or feats.

Meanwhile:

Here it goes:

Solo #1 - Metal Lee
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Solo #2 - Mini Juubi with Kamui
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Solo #3 - Shin Clones
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Solo #4 - This guy
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Solo #5 - Buntan Kurosuki
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Solo #7 - Araya
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Solo #8 - Rogue Ninjas
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Solo #9 - Shojoji
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Solo #11 - Boruto & Mitsuki
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Solo score: 33 opponents solo'd so far.


Ty and Sarada soloes.
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No need for hype, 33 bodies > 2 featless adult senju.
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All this talk, no scans or feats.
I did give you a scan, you just choose to ignore it.

Admission of defeat XD

No need for hype, 33 bodies > 2 featless adult senju.
Yea I’ve won this argument, I’ve driven you to make shit up. I’ll wait for the 2 Senju scan but I know it ain’t coming but again Madara was catching the bodies of grown Senju men without it a Sharningan.

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Anything else for me to counter?
 

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I did give you a scan, you just choose to ignore it.

Admission of defeat XD



Yea I’ve won this argument, I’ve driven you to make shit up. I’ll wait for the 2 Senju scan but I know it ain’t coming but again Madara was catching the bodies of grown Senju men without it a Sharningan.

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Anything else for me to counter?
If you had a scan? Where is it? :kd: I'm not ignoring anything. I just wanna see feats from these, "capable" senju.

Until you show scans, Sarada solos

33 Bodies > 2 featless fodders.


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Simply capable means average and average falls right in line with fodder. Just sayin.
Capable doesn't mean average and doesn't fall into fodder, nice try though. There was a reason emphasis was placed on them being capable. In this instance it would be those who you don't expect to be killed in combat.
 
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Capable doesn't mean average and doesn't fall into fodder, nice try though. There was a reason emphasis was placed on them being capable. In this instance it would be those who you don't expect to be killed in combat.


Simply capable is average my man unless your version of average is less than succeeding or failing. Fodders are average and the side characters we see are all extraordinary and that's why they were assigned as leaders of the the war and the most recognized despite their young ages. Even those fodders with Asuma were considered "elite." At most, you can argue that the Senju fodder were stronger than the typical fodder, but they still fodder and fodder is fodder.
 

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Simply capable is average my man unless your version of average is less than succeeding or failing. Fodders are average and the side characters we see are all extraordinary and that's why they were assigned as leaders of the the war and the most recognized despite their young ages. Even those fodders with Asuma were considered "elite." At most, you can argue that the Senju fodder were stronger than the typical fodder, but they still fodder and fodder is fodder.
He made it clear they capable adults not average adults or simply average adults. On top of that Batusma made it clear Madara killed them and that Madara is a Shinobi Genius. That should tell you they're not average. Also Capable isn't synonymous with average. I accept they're fodder in front of a genius like Madara there's no denying that.
 

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He made it clear they capable adults not average adults or simply average adults. On top of that Batusma made it clear Madara killed them and that Madara is a Shinobi Genius. That should tell you they're not average. Also Capable isn't synonymous with average. I accept they're fodder in front of a genius like Madara there's no denying that.
Even if Madara only fought on an equal level with fodder adults, he'd still be recognized as a prodigy by definition. Merely capable is average. I don't see how you can rationally oppose this without bothering to mention that capable can slide upwards. Are you capable of running? Are you capable of talking? Are you necessarily a cut above the rest of guys who can do those things?
For an adult senju to register as capable, they would only need to hold their own against other nameless fodder.
 

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I love it when he says no feats on Par with current Sarada then sets restrictions on what he considers feats. All the while ignoring he has feats above current Sarada.

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They're even called capable adults but OP thinks they're fodder from one of the two strongest clans.

He failed hard not only at trolling attempts but comprehension.
This is great and this is when madara didnt even awakened his 1t sharigan yet.
 

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Even if Madara fought on an equal level with fodder adults, he'd be recognized as a prodigy by definition. Merely capable is average. I don't see how you can rationally oppose this without bothering to mention that capable can slide upwards. Are you capable of running? Are you capable of talking? For an adult senju to register as capable, they would only need to hold their own against other nameless fodder.
That's flawed analogy right there since everybody save a cripple can run, or everybody save a mute can talk. If something is normative for the common person then when capability is mentioned it means above average. So saying he's a capable runner means he's an accomplished runner. If you say he's a capable talker means he excels at speaking and is accomplished. Likewise if you're talking about ninja and saying he's a capable ninja you mean he's an accomplished ninja there's nothing average about that. And then to emphasise they're not just capable/accomplished you mention they're adults which further emphasises they're experienced/seasoned. The reason for that was to drive the point into Hashirama's head of how much of a threat Madara actually posed.

I'm done here unless you have something substantive to add.

Ps. I repeat capable and average are not synonymous.

This is great and this is when madara didnt even awakened his 1t sharigan yet.
Exactly that shows what level he's at, the scan triggered OP to the point he went into fanfic denial mode.
 

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there's several problems with some of the reasoning i'm seeing around here that Sarada>Madara:

1. The story says Madara was born with the highest chakra reserves the Uchiha had ever seen.

2. Hashirama's flashback story implied too many times that even as kids, the 2 of them were probably the strongest and best skilled fighters in the whole country.

3. It's ridiculous to compare a regular Uchiha's potential against an Indra transmigrate with EMS. Sarada will likely be Kage lvl in her prime, but Prime Madara was already stronger than at least most of the bijuu when he only had EMS.

4. We haven't seen any potrayal/mention of Kid Madara's Katon/Sharingan genjutsu use/tactical ability to definitively conclude Sarada was better at any of those. We can however view Butsuma saying Madara was able to defeat adults because he was a born genius as evidence that his tactical ability was likely superior.
 
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