Kiba vs Hidan

[Zexion~]

Like who exactly? Cause there is either something you are misinterpreting or something that is easily explainable.

You don't know where they started from so you can't say that this clash took place in the middle of their paths.

He was simply forced back, but you can see him blocking Hidan's attacks with his Kunai.

*Sigh* Kakashi right after this blocks Hidan's back attack and then they clash once more after that. So no, this feat is not comparable to Deidara and Sasuke at all. Deidara said Sasuke was too fast for him. Kakashi never had an issue handling Hidan's speed. Ever.

He never said he was too fast for him I don't believe, he simply said he was fast :lol

Either way he was forced back with no counter attack which means Hidan traversed that entire distance before Kakashi reacted, as if he could have reacted beforehand I see no reason why he wouldn't either evade or blitz Hidan himself, and at no point was Kakashi overwhelming Hidan with speed either.


As for the first point you can both Hidan and Asuma moved from their original spots (Hidan was in his sigil and it is clearly not there)

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These little spots of dust on the ground indicate where they land before they then clashed via dashes.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What a terrible argument seeing as it occurred in the very beginning of the fight..... He blocked Shikamaru as he didn't think anything of it really, he didn't want to leave his scythe on the tree and jump off, only to be attacked by Kakashi with no defense.

What a terrible argument considering you're wrong, it wasn't at all in the very beginning of the fight. Kakashi had already exhausted chakra from keeping his Sharingan activated, using Raikiri twice, Shunshin'ing to avoid the AoE of Atsugai, still receiving some damage from it, Shunshin'ing again to protect Shikamaru and Chouji, and using another double Raikiri again. Then after all that Kakashi goes and states that he is pushing it.

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Manga fact, Kakashi was already very fatigued when he clashed with Hidan. You don't know the Naruto manga, like at all. Stop being so quick to call other peoples arguments terrible, because it's ironically always yours that are.

Hidan didn't need to leave his scythe. If he was reflexive and quick enough, he should of been able to easily avoid someone with a 2.5/5 speed and a 2/5 in Taijutsu, and come right back to grab it.

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, that is a piss poor excuse.

 

[Zexion~]

What a terrible argument considering you're wrong, it wasn't at all in the very beginning of the fight. Kakashi had already exhausted chakra from keeping his Sharingan activated, using Raikiri twice, Shunshin'ing to avoid the AoE of Atsugai, still receiving some damage from it, Shunshin'ing again to protect Shikamaru and Chouji, and using another double Raikiri again. Then after all that Kakashi goes and states that he is pushing it.

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Manga fact, Kakashi was already very fatigued when he clashed with Hidan. You don't know the Naruto manga, like at all. Stop being so quick to call other peoples arguments terrible, because it's ironically always yours that are.

Hidan didn't need to leave his scythe. If he was reflexive and quick enough, he should of been able to easily avoid someone with a 2.5/5 speed and a 2/5 in Taijutsu, and come right back to grab it.

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, that is a piss poor excuse.

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Start....Of...The...Fight

Don't @ me tho

I don't know the manga but I understand Beginning/Middle/End :/


Edit- When did I ever argue anything about reflexes I'm arguing speed fam, Jumping off his scythe into the shadow stitching below him is also not ideal.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Zexion, there's no instance at any point that suggested that Hidan's speed was far too much for Kakashi to handle. Deidara openly admitted that Sasuke was fast yet Hidan received no such acknowledgement from Kakashi at all. Kakashi only intended to defend against Hidan because he needed to analyze Kakuzu's own fighting style and conserve his stamina if necessary.

kakashi never even said a word to or about this guy heck not even a thought bubble. The only threat kakashi considered in that entire match was kakazu.

 

[Zexion~]

kakashi never even said a word to or about this guy heck not even a thought bubble. The only threat kakashi considered in that entire match was kakazu.

Jesus literally all I said was that he pressured Kakashi and it should be used as a speed feat, but I guess if characters don't praise the opponents speed at all times it doesn't count :lol it never ends with this site.

 

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Start....Of...The...Fight

Don't @ me tho

I don't know the manga but I understand Beginning/Middle/End :/


Edit- When did I ever argue anything about reflexes I'm arguing speed fam, Jumping off his scythe into the shadow stitching below him is also not ideal.

The kid replies to my comment that (with an ounce of reading comprehension) is clearly referring to this

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And thinks I'm talking about the scan he posted. Waste of my time... Shocker.

 

[KidGamer65]

He never said he was too fast for him I don't believe, he simply said he was fast :lol

Either way he was forced back with no counter attack which means Hidan traversed that entire distance before Kakashi reacted, as if he could have reacted beforehand I see no reason why he wouldn't either evade or blitz Hidan himself, and at no point was Kakashi overwhelming Hidan with speed either.


As for the first point you can both Hidan and Asuma moved from their original spots (Hidan was in his sigil and it is clearly not there)

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These little spots of dust on the ground indicate where they land before they then clashed via dashes.

Lmao what? Kakashi after using Raikiri 4 times+Sharingan is still able to react to back attacks from Hidan and fend him off. The overarching point here is that Hidan can't pressure Kakashi with speed like Sasuke did w/ Deidara so this isn't a feat you should be holding on to so just drop it already. :lol


How does that panel show that they traveled an equal distance and reached the middle of that equal distance?

Jesus literally all I said was that he pressured Kakashi and it should be used as a speed feat, but I guess if characters don't praise the opponents speed at all times it doesn't count it never ends with this site.

No, you said that Hidan did the same thing to Kakashi that Sasuke did to Deidara which is a load of shit. :lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hidan can possibly win 1 if he's quick enough.
Kiba rapes in sc2 though

 

[Zexion~]

The kid replies to my comment that (with an ounce of reading comprehension) is clearly referring to this

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And thinks I'm talking about the scan he posted. Waste of my time... Shocker.

Lmao what? Kakashi after using Raikiri 4 times+Sharingan is still able to react to back attacks from Hidan and fend him off. The overarching point here is that Hidan can't pressure Kakashi with speed like Sasuke did w/ Deidara so this isn't a feat you should be holding on to so just drop it already. :lol


How does that panel show that they traveled an equal distance and reached the middle of that equal distance?



No, you said that Hidan did the same thing to Kakashi that Sasuke did to Deidara which is a load of shit. :lol

You people use the worst arguments, an exhausted Kakashi was still able to blitz Deva path within his 5 second limit and force him to use Asura to intercept his Raikiri.

Anyways KG because that shows where they jumped from and we can see where they clash....

You proved me wrong because Kakashi didn't suck Hidan's **** afterwards tho so there is that, still doesn't change the fact that he pressured Kakashi and is still a feat.

Not to mention Deidara has a tendency to praise literally everyone he fights in an arrogant manor, its not like Deidara didn't exclaim Sasuke was fast with a smile on his face


As for FT you quoted NarutoX saying that out of the blue, and my post still shows that he clashed with Kakashi before his stamina was used so your point doesn't explain everything.

Again would you have liked Hidan to jump into the shadows waiting under the tree? Even Hidan knows it would be smarter to simple block the incoming attack.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Jesus literally all I said was that he pressured Kakashi and it should be used as a speed feat, but I guess if characters don't praise the opponents speed at all times it doesn't count :lol it never ends with this site.

why? 7th gate guy 'pressured' madara are we gonna say they're equal in speed or even remotely look at that as a speed feat? fck no.

 

[KidGamer65]

You people use the worst arguments, an exhausted Kakashi was still able to blitz Deva path within his 5 second limit and force him to use Asura to intercept his Raikiri.

Anyways KG because that shows where they jumped from and we can see where they clash....

You proved me wrong because Kakashi didn't suck Hidan's **** afterwards tho so there is that, still doesn't change the fact that he pressured Kakashi and is still a feat.

Not to mention Deidara has a tendency to praise literally everyone he fights in an arrogant manor, its not like Deidara didn't exclaim Sasuke was fast with a smile on his face


As for FT you quoted NarutoX saying that out of the blue, and my post still shows that he clashed with Kakashi before his stamina was used so your point doesn't explain everything.

Again would you have liked Hidan to jump into the shadows waiting under the tree? Even Hidan knows it would be smarter to simple block the incoming attack.

Then why didn't you actually post the page/panels where they are shown jumping away? A part of a panel doesn't tell me the whole story.

No, I proved you wrong because Hidan can't pressure Kakashi when it comes to speed. If he could then he wouldn't have gotten fended off the second time he attacked him there is literally nothing more than that. Stop talking about this irrelevant shit like "no one said anything about Hidan's speed" when it doesn't matter. I don't care about Deidara's praise.

That first scan isn't even Hidan pressuring Kakashi with speed because Kakashi blocked his attack and showed no signs of surprise. Main point is that Sasuke and Hidan's feats aren't even close to being comparable. Nothing else is relevant.

 

[Zexion~]

Then why didn't you actually post the page/panels where they are shown jumping away? A part of a panel doesn't tell me the whole story.

No, I proved you wrong because Hidan can't pressure Kakashi when it comes to speed. If he could then he wouldn't have gotten fended off the second time he attacked him there is literally nothing more than that. Stop talking about this irrelevant shit like "no one said anything about Hidan's speed" when it doesn't matter. I don't care about Deidara's praise.

That first scan isn't even Hidan pressuring Kakashi with speed because Kakashi blocked his attack and showed no signs of surprise. Main point is that Sasuke and Hidan's feats aren't even close to being comparable. Nothing else is relevant.

Because that is literally all it shows of them jumping KG...as I said they moved from the original spots first as Hidan was in the sigil.

He pressured Kakashi backwards KG, which is literally a rule of combat to not be pressured backwards :lol Kakashi was clearly caught off guard at first, and the second clash Hidan came from above so its not like he could really get any speed there, and then chased Kakashi around the tree (not the otherway around) that is the definition of pressure, the fact that Kakashi did nothing about it only makes that even more evident.

why? 7th gate guy 'pressured' madara are we gonna say they're equal in speed or even remotely look at that as a speed feat? fck no.

Yes.....I've seen it used before plenty of times

 

[Forbidden Technique]

As for FT you quoted NarutoX saying that out of the blue, and my post still shows that he clashed with Kakashi before his stamina was used so your point doesn't explain everything.

Again would you have liked Hidan to jump into the shadows waiting under the tree? Even Hidan knows it would be smarter to simple block the incoming attack.

Dude, please just read and comprehend before replying. I feel like you read things without fully understanding what is being said, and just type up anything in response. Your scan just shows Hidan coming at Kakashi, with Kakashi just jumping backwards and blocking the scythe with a mere kunai. The scan I posted shows a fatigued Kakashi (manga fact) keeping up with Hidan on multiple clashes, while they were in constant movement. The scan I posted clearly presents a lot more weight to the dispute.

Hidan could of just jumped above, below, or onto a neighboring tree. He still had those spears he uses to throw at Shikamaru, so he could retrieve his scythe. However, Hidan wasn't surprised that drawing contact with Shikamaru means he was captured in his Shadow Possession, so it's likely he already knew Shikmaru's goal there. He failed to properly react, no valid reason to dispute that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because that is literally all it shows of them jumping KG...as I said they moved from the original spots first as Hidan was in the sigil.

He pressured Kakashi backwards KG, which is literally a rule of combat to not be pressured backwards :lol Kakashi was clearly caught off guard at first, and the second clash Hidan came from above so its not like he could really get any speed there, and then chased Kakashi around the tree (not the otherway around) that is the definition of pressure, the fact that Kakashi did nothing about it only makes that even more evident.



Yes.....I've seen it used before plenty of times

You can dissect this feat all you want, at the end of the day it's not and will not ever be equivalent to what Sasuke did to Deidara because Kakashi never once had any issue with Hidan's speed and that's a fact. Point blank period.

 

[ToshiZO]

lord knows how many times i have been saying that. Heck he had no problem leaving hidan in the dust to dodge atusgai but Tosh wants to claim that they are equal in speed.

Literally the same can be said when Hidan caught Kakashi in the middle of the air amidst Zukkoku. Kakuzu uses Zukkoku, Kakashi jumps, Hidan goes somewhere from Kakuzu's position to Kakashi's position.

It was literally the same thing as before flipped.

why? 7th gate guy 'pressured' madara are we gonna say they're equal in speed or even remotely look at that as a speed feat? fck no.

Madara and 7th gate Gai were never trading blows, and matching each blow strike for strike.

kakashi never even said a word to or about this guy heck not even a thought bubble. The only threat kakashi considered in that entire match was kakazu.

Kakashi called him strong actually.

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Kakuzu was simply stronger.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Literally the same can be said when Hidan caught Kakashi in the middle of the air amidst Zukkoku. Kakuzu uses Zukkoku, Kakashi jumps, Hidan goes somewhere from Kakuzu's position to Kakashi's position.

It was literally the same thing as before flipped.

hidan was standing next to kakazu there's no somewhere. Where as kakashi left hidan to get infront of kakazu's gian with hidan only appearing next to kakazu after its blocked. So no its not the same.

Madara and 7th gate Gai were never trading blows, and matching each blow strike for strike.

Trade blows=/=same speed.

Kakashi called him strong actually.

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Kakuzu was simply stronger.

strong=/=fast

 

[ToshiZO]

hidan was standing next to kakazu there's no somewhere. Where as kakashi left hidan to get infront of kakazu's gian with hidan only appearing next to kakazu after its blocked. So no its not the same.

Hidan went from Kakuzu to Kakashi in what took Kakashi one jump. In one jump he had already caught Kakashi from meters away.

Trade blows=/=same speed.

It means around the same speed, there is no such thing as exact equals. Besides you said Gai pressuring Madara is not a speed feat, when it actually is. Also if Gai managed to trade blows with him without being pushed back even a bit, then that would imply they are on the same tier of overall speed. But that didn't happen.

strong=/=fast

Lmfao why are you acting like I said that?

You said Kakashi never even had a thought bubble about Hidan, but he clearly thought he was strong.

 

[Zexion~]

I'll agree with yall simply because Kakashi was confident in leaving Hidan up to Shikamaru by himself, which shows a lack of respect for his speed.


The more I dissect this arc the more shitty it becomes despite having two dope ass villains