It seems to me that his foot speed was contending with Minato's, no? Highly doubt Shunshin is being in use by both characters there. Next page over, he was closer to drawing contact then Minato was. It's not to say that they're evenly matched, but rather there isn't a huge gap in speed there.
Can you see it in this thread? It's the 4 Ability Parameters
It seems to me that his foot speed was contending with Minato's, no? Highly doubt Shunshin is being in use by both characters there. Next page over, he was closer to drawing contact then Minato was. It's not to say that they're evenly matched, but rather there isn't a huge gap in speed there.
Can you see it in this thread? It's the 4 Ability Parameters
Oh yeah I've seen that. Surprised KG hasn't seen it.
Not sure if running at someone allows one to equate speed. Or else we'd be showing equality in a lot of different cases. I also doubt Obito is as fast as Minato.
I honestly doubt Minato was attempting to actually make physical contact with Obito. The entire purpose of that bout was to tempt Obito into solidifying, so Minato attempting to make contact with Obito would force Obito to phase which is rather contradictory from what he was trying to do.
Oh yeah I've seen that. Surprised KG hasn't seen it.
Not sure if running at someone allows one to equate speed. Or else we'd be showing equality in a lot of different cases. I also doubt Obito is as fast as Minato.
I honestly doubt Minato was attempting to actually make physical contact with Obito. The entire purpose of that bout was to tempt Obito into solidifying, so Minato attempting to make contact with Obito would force Obito to phase which is rather contradictory from what he was trying to do.
Yeah, that makes much more sense. Good point. I believe my point still stands that Obito is still a fast and skilled character. He is simply at a much higher tier then Kiba, being side stepped isn't a huge down play on Kiba's speed.
Obito is not side stepping Kakashi like that, if you can match Kakashi in speed, you are not gonna be handled that easily speed wise, to the point where you can be joking around and casually dodge. Kiba couldn't even perceive the fact that Obito simply side stepped.
Btw if you want to go by Databook stats, Kiba's speed was already on Hidan's level in the beginning of part 1.
People have to consider the fact that things such as Shunshin aren't included, so guys like Hidan can easily contend with much faster opponents through enhancing his speed through chakra.
There's nothing contradictory behind Hidan's score, it simply means he's more than capable of compensating for his lack of speed through chakra.
Yeah, that makes much more sense. Good point. I believe my point still stands that Obito is still a fast and skilled character. He is simply at a much higher tier then Kiba, being side stepped isn't a huge down play on Kiba's speed.
Yeah, it's still pretty clear that he has very high reflexes which is natural among Sharingan users let alone someone who possesses a large portion of Hashirama's DNA.
Two people dashing at each other doesn't make them equal in speed. KN0 Naruto and Neji did the same exact thing in Part 1 yet Neji isn't as fast as Naruto is.
Two people dashing at each other doesn't make them equal in speed. KN0 Naruto and Neji did the same exact thing in Part 1 yet Neji isn't as fast as Naruto is.
In order to do that, you would have to match your opponents striking speed, dashing speed, and react to their strike aswell. Neji was not far from Naruto's speed even if he was slower, not to mention it was emphasized how he was on his toes matching Naruto's speed. All these feats from Hidan are extremely casual.
Kakashi and Hidan clashed plenty of times and were about even, with neither getting any openings.
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Will say it again, Hidan has the same score as part 1 Kiba.
Two people dashing at each other doesn't make them equal in speed. KN0 Naruto and Neji did the same exact thing in Part 1 yet Neji isn't as fast as Naruto is.
Yes Neji is most certainly as fast as Naruto was :lol Lee said even without his weights it still wasn't enough to match Neji, also their dashing was barely a meter apart I believe.
Hidan did to Kakashi exactly what Sasuke did to Deidara and you all hype his speed for that very feat :lol
The databook scores are sketchy not saying Hidan's exactly as fast as Kakashi but he danced with Asuma for quite a while....
In order to do that, you would have to match your opponents striking speed, dashing speed, and react to their strike aswell. Neji was not far from Naruto's speed even if he was slower, not to mention it was emphasized how he was on his toes matching Naruto's speed. All these feats from Hidan are extremely casual.
Kakashi and Hidan clashed plenty of times and were about even, with neither getting any openings.
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Will say it again, Hidan has the same score as part 1 Kiba.
I think there's not much of an issue with Hidan's speed score if his taijutsu score encompasses a large portion of his reflexes. After all, what Hidan did against Kakashi could've been a result of enhancing his own speed through chakra whereas Kakashi not only was running out of stamina, but also wanted to conserve it, so Hidan could've very well matched Kakashi normal movement speed through enhancing his speed through chakra a little bit.
I think that makes the most sense and it doesn't contradict the Databook that much.
:lol what are you saying with Sasuke his speed is literally isn't involved in this at all I am simply arguing context.
Deidara and Sasuke were similar distances away, Sasuke blitzed at him and Deidara evaded barely.
Hidan blitzed at Kakashi and Kakashi parried barely (when evading would have been the better option), this has nothing to do with comparing speed of the three Ice so you clearly didn't read anything I'm simply saying if one counts Sasuke's blitz on Deidara as a feat of his speed one should count Hidan's as well. He "rushed" Kakashi with him barely being able to react let alone counter.
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In order to do that, you would have to match your opponents striking speed, dashing speed, and react to their strike aswell. Neji was not far from Naruto's speed even if he was slower, not to mention it was emphasized how he was on his toes matching Naruto's speed. All these feats from Hidan are extremely casual.
Kakashi and Hidan clashed plenty of times and were about even, with neither getting any openings.
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Will say it again, Hidan has the same score as part 1 Kiba.
I think there's not much of an issue with Hidan's speed score if his taijutsu score encompasses a large portion of his reflexes. After all, what Hidan did against Kakashi could've been a result of enhancing his own speed through chakra whereas Kakashi not only was running out of stamina, but also wanted to conserve it, so Hidan could've very well matched Kakashi normal movement speed through enhancing his speed through chakra a little bit.
I think that makes the most sense and it doesn't contradict the Databook that much.
If this is true which is only supported by the fact that Hidan has the chakra control to climb up trees, Kakashi conserving chakra doesn't matter as he wasn't able to move before Hidan reached him, its not that Hidan surpassed Kakashi's speed its that he near surpased his reactions, which in itself is still a decent feat.
I think there's not much of an issue with Hidan's speed score if his taijutsu score encompasses a large portion of his reflexes. After all, what Hidan did against Kakashi could've been a result of enhancing his own speed through chakra whereas Kakashi not only was running out of stamina, but also wanted to conserve it, so Hidan could've very well matched Kakashi normal movement speed through enhancing his speed through chakra a little bit.
I think that makes the most sense and it doesn't contradict the Databook that much.
An aspect of proficiency in taijutsu is the ability to perform attacks in rapid succession and reflexes are an aspect of that as well, so there's nothing particularly wrong with what I stated.
What you're doing is presenting something that you perceive as an inconsistency within the Databook when there are very logical explanations that justify his Databook score.
Yes Neji is most certainly as fast as Naruto was :lol Lee said even without his weights it still wasn't enough to match Neji, also their dashing was barely a meter apart I believe.
Hidan did to Kakashi exactly what Sasuke did to Deidara and you all hype his speed for that very feat :lol
The databook scores are sketchy not saying Hidan's exactly as fast as Kakashi but he danced with Asuma for quite a while....
Lee said w/o his weights he can't match Neji in overall combat. Not in movement speed obviously because Lee is faster than Neji is w/o his weights and always has been. :lol Where did you even get that from? Their dashing being barely a meter apart is irrelevant.
And no. Don't lie about the Manga's events please when you reply to me. Sasuke almost blitzed Deidara twice, and had Deidara stating that Sasuke is too fast for him. Hidan isn't faster than Kakashi nor did he pressure him with speed the entire match or do anything that'd cause Kakashi to believe Hidan was too fast for him. If I'm wrong provide the feats.
DB scores aren't sketchy if you know how to interpret them. Hidan didn't do anything during his fight against Asuma that'd equal their speed. The only reason Asuma even got hit is because of Hidan's scythe, not because Hidan was just as fast or faster. After that Asuma got taken down by the ritual. Nothing at all. Dashing at each other doesn't indicate equal speed.
Hidan may have a Shunshin that is near Kakashi's in speed (1000% baseless so don't bother) but saying DB scores are sketchy doesn't make sense based on what's been shown.
In order to do that, you would have to match your opponents striking speed, dashing speed, and react to their strike aswell. Neji was not far from Naruto's speed even if he was slower, not to mention it was emphasized how he was on his toes matching Naruto's speed. All these feats from Hidan are extremely casual.
Kakashi and Hidan clashed plenty of times and were about even, with neither getting any openings.
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Will say it again, Hidan has the same score as part 1 Kiba.
:lol Neji not being far from Naruto's speed is baseless. Naruto charged him from 5-10m and Neji couldn't even complete his rotation before Naruto reached him, and Naruto only dashed at him when he did that. Nothing showed that Neji was matching Naruto's speed. Ever. :lol
Uh, no, you don't. Where are you even getting this from? You don't need to match your opponents dashing speed because you are both dashing towards each other. Nothing in that exchange would imply that one HAD to be as fast as the other. Reacting to their strike is irrelevant. Striking speed is irrelevant as well. We are talking movement speed here. Not striking speed.
That scan shows them clashing twice, and not even in an all out exchange. They dashed past each other twice and clashed. :lol That doesn't prove that they were moving just as fast as each other.
And equal scores don't mean equal statistics. 1-5 is simply a tiering system. That's why everyone who is a 5 isn't equal, and why there are large gaps between people who are only 1 pt behind. Hidan being 3.5 only means he's on the same general tier of reaction speed and movement speed lumped together as Kiba, not that they are the same exact speed.
People have to consider the fact that things such as Shunshin aren't included, so guys like Hidan can easily contend with much faster opponents through enhancing his speed through chakra.
There's nothing contradictory behind Hidan's score, it simply means he's more than capable of compensating for his lack of speed through chakra.
Not to mention, Hidan has a 5/5 in Stamina. So he can maintain moving at his fastest longer then someone like DB3 Kakashi for example, who received a 3/5 in the category. So Hidan matching Kakashi in those clashes can very easily be a result of Kakashi's stamina already starting to regress due to the fatigue from prior occurrences in that fight, as well as him trying to preserve his stamina (as you mentioned).
2.5/5 in Speed Shikamaru was able to do this to Hidan, without Hidan being able to react and avoid it
