Kenya attack: 147 dead in Garissa University assault

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At least 147 people, mostly students, have been killed in an assault by al-Shabab militants on a university in north-eastern Kenya.
Heavily armed attackers stormed Garissa University early on Thursday, killing two security guards then firing indiscriminately on students.
Four of the gunman were eventually surrounded in a dormitory, and died when their suicide vests detonated.
It is the deadliest attack yet by al-Shabab.
The militants singled out Christians and shot them, witnesses said.
More than 500 students managed to escape, 79 of whom were injured. A fifth gunman has reportedly been arrested.

Eric Wekesa, a student at Garissa, told Reuters he locked himself in his room before eventually fleeing.
"What I managed to hear from them is 'We came to kill or finally be killed.' That's what they said."
"It was horrible, there was shooting everywhere," another student, Augustine Alanga told the BBC's Newsday programme
He said it was "pathetic" that the university was only guarded by two police officers.


Nine critically injured students were airlifted to the capital Nairobi for treatment, disaster management officials said.
But each student had been accounted for by the end of the evacuation.
An overnight curfew has been implemented in Garissa and three other counties in Kenya.



UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned what he called a "terrorist attack" and said the UN was ready to help Kenya "prevent and counter terrorism and violent extremism".
The United States said it was offering Nairobi assistance to take on al-Shabab and would continue to work with others in the region to take on the group.
The Kenyan government has named Mohamed Kuno, a high-ranking al-Shabab official, as the mastermind of the attack.
Mr Kuno was headmaster at an Islamic school in Garissa before he quit in 2007.
Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta offered his condolences to families of the victims and ordered "urgent steps" to ensure police recruits could begin training immediately. "We have suffered unnecessarily due to shortage of security personnel," he said.

Al-Shabab says it attacked the university because it is at war with Kenya, BBC Africa analyst Mary Harper reports.
Kenyan troops entered Somalia in October 2011 in an effort to stop the Islamists from crossing the long, porous border between the two countries and kidnapping people - but their presence achieved the opposite effect, provoking al-Shabab to increase its activity in Kenya, our correspondent adds.
The group was behind the Westgate shopping mall attack, when 67 people were killed.



Im just speechless about this ,yet anger that more innocent people are being killed.
 

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Honestly, I'm not surprised in the slightest.

This is exactly the type of thing I've been warning people about. Europe is going to experience the same problem, as is Malaysia.

Why?

Well... It's because I'm a bigot. That's why.

Remember. It's a peaceful religion. These people represent a slim minority that have absolutely nothing to do with the religion and don't know anything about it.

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Honestly, I'm not surprised in the slightest.

This is exactly the type of thing I've been warning people about. Europe is going to experience the same problem, as is Malaysia.

Why?

Well... It's because I'm a bigot. That's why.

Remember. It's a peaceful religion. These people represent a slim minority that have absolutely nothing to do with the religion and don't know anything about it.

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Just your local Islamic Evangelists doing what they do.
Lol I was on holiday in kenya a few weeks ago. Travelled around and heard first hand from the locals. It's well accepted that Al Shabab are being backed by political leaders that are seeking to undermine president Uhuru. And westgate was proven to be a politically motivated, inside job.

There's a documentary that was broadcasted on the main kenyan news channel. Exposing the link. Find it on Google.

Your hatred has clouded your judgement. Read up on the history of these terrorist organisations. You will find that at one stage in their development they were backed by the successive US governments.

Al Qaeeda for example. Bush senior provided them with money and weapons to beat the Russians. It's well established that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family go way back and have been batting for the same thing. New World Order.



>>> Watch the CBC documentary focusses on the relationship between former President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family.

Another fine example is the recent leader of Al Qaeeda Al Walaki.



The rebels in Syria were armed by western governments lead by Obama not long ago. Now they have fragmented into various "terrorist" fractions. It's the same story if you do a bit of research. Now we have ISIS of course.

You need to stop taking news as revelation and look at the historical significance of these political terror groups to the so called Free world, namely the USA.

You may find that your narrow perceptions and the US VS THEM mentality quickly vaporise. As you learn to accept that this war on terror is a manufactured war and that THEY ARE ALL SECRETLY IN BED TOGETHER to create something sinister.

Only the innocent are caught up. Condolences to the families.
 

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Lol I was on holiday in kenya a few weeks ago. Travelled around and heard first hand from the locals. It's well accepted that Al Shabab are being backed by political leaders that are seeking to undermine president Uhuru. And westgate was proven to be a politically motivated, inside job.

There's a documentary that was broadcasted on the main kenyan news channel. Exposing the link. Find it on Google.

Your hatred has clouded your judgement. Read up on the history of these terrorist organisations. You will find that at one stage in their development they were backed by the successive US governments.

Al Qaeeda for example. Bush senior provided them with money and weapons to beat the Russians. It's well established that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family go way back and have been batting for the same thing. New World Order.



>>> Watch the CBC documentary focusses on the relationship between former President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family.

Another fine example is the recent leader of Al Qaeeda Al Walaki.



The rebels in Syria were armed by western governments lead by Obama not long ago. Now they have fragmented into various "terrorist" fractions. It's the same story if you do a bit of research. Now we have ISIS of course.

You need to stop taking news as revelation and look at the historical significance of these political terror groups to the so called Free world, namely the USA.

You may find that your narrow perceptions and the US VS THEM mentality quickly vaporise. As you learn to accept that this war on terror is a manufactured war and that THEY ARE ALL SECRETLY IN BED TOGETHER to create something sinister.

Only the innocent are caught up. Condolences to the families.
That's what I kept trying to tell him since he joined the base xd It is hypocrisy at it's finest to point fingers at other terroristic groups as a u.s. Army soldier.
 

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Lol I was on holiday in kenya a few weeks ago. Travelled around and heard first hand from the locals. It's well accepted that Al Shabab are being backed by political leaders that are seeking to undermine president Uhuru. And westgate was proven to be a politically motivated, inside job.

There's a documentary that was broadcasted on the main kenyan news channel. Exposing the link. Find it on Google.

Your hatred has clouded your judgement. Read up on the history of these terrorist organisations. You will find that at one stage in their development they were backed by the successive US governments.

Al Qaeeda for example. Bush senior provided them with money and weapons to beat the Russians. It's well established that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family go way back and have been batting for the same thing. New World Order.



>>> Watch the CBC documentary focusses on the relationship between former President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family.

Another fine example is the recent leader of Al Qaeeda Al Walaki.



The rebels in Syria were armed by western governments lead by Obama not long ago. Now they have fragmented into various "terrorist" fractions. It's the same story if you do a bit of research. Now we have ISIS of course.

You need to stop taking news as revelation and look at the historical significance of these political terror groups to the so called Free world, namely the USA.

You may find that your narrow perceptions and the US VS THEM mentality quickly vaporise. As you learn to accept that this war on terror is a manufactured war and that THEY ARE ALL SECRETLY IN BED TOGETHER to create something sinister.

Only the innocent are caught up. Condolences to the families.

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9/11 was an inside job...!
Alex Jones for president...!

OT: I'm sad this happened. That's a ton of people to be killed. :wesobi:
 

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Lol I was on holiday in kenya a few weeks ago. Travelled around and heard first hand from the locals. It's well accepted that Al Shabab are being backed by political leaders that are seeking to undermine president Uhuru. And westgate was proven to be a politically motivated, inside job.

There's a documentary that was broadcasted on the main kenyan news channel. Exposing the link. Find it on Google.

Your hatred has clouded your judgement. Read up on the history of these terrorist organisations. You will find that at one stage in their development they were backed by the successive US governments.
And at one point they were backed by the Russians.

Or the Nazis.

It is the nature of politicians to back militants whose actions are apparently supportive of their agenda.

Al Qaeeda for example. Bush senior provided them with money and weapons to beat the Russians. It's well established that the Bin Laden family and the Bush family go way back and have been batting for the same thing. New World Order.
Yes, the CIA did provide Al Qaeda with weapons to fight the Russians. But why was Al Qaeda fighting the Russians in the first place?

The assumption that the CIA was interested (Bush Senior was the director of the CIA under Reagan) in some kind of "New World Order" is just playing to buzzwords. The CIA was tasked with protecting America's interests and fighting proxy wars with Russia was the name of the game.

Al Qaeda had different motivations. You'll find them written in a book.

>>> Watch the CBC documentary focusses on the relationship between former President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family.

Another fine example is the recent leader of Al Qaeeda Al Walaki.

I'm not sure what is more funny.

The fact that you believe you are presenting me with information that I don't know.

Or the fact that you have absolutely no intellectual capacity for understanding the information you do know.



""Smooth sailing" indeed would seem to characterize the early decades of the Ikhwan's Da'wa movement in America. The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, "The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam."[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.

"The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

-- 'An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,' 1981[16]
"


You have to understand what we are up against.

Politicians ally with the Muslim Brotherhood for various political reasons (Grover Norquist has been a key figure in planting Muslim Brotherhood figures into the administrations of the White House and its related agencies).

"There is one more document, called simply "The Project," that should be examined in the study of the Brotherhood's expansion into Western society in general, and the U.S. government in particular. A November 2001 raid by Swiss authorities on a villa belonging to Yousef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood director of the Al-Taqwa bank (which had been funding al-Qa'eda), recovered this 14-page plan, written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982. "The Project" presents a "flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West," according to Patrick Poole, a counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood expert. [33] Rather than relying primarily on terrorism, as al-Qa'eda and other kinetic-approach jihadis do, the Muslim Brotherhood opted instead for a progressive infiltration of the very structures of Western society in order to achieve the same end result that al-Qa'eda seeks: Islamic domination over the West."

None of this is, truthfully, anything new.

Similar tactics were used back in the 1000s. There is a reason Vlad the Impaler, within Romania and neighboring regions, is considered a hero.

It's only in the farther west, where the Ottomans were seen as viable economic partners, where Vlad was turned into a villain for their lack of understanding.

The rebels in Syria were armed by western governments lead by Obama not long ago. Now they have fragmented into various "terrorist" fractions. It's the same story if you do a bit of research. Now we have ISIS of course.
That's old news.

The groups Obama is funding, currently, have loosely affiliated memberships that bounce back and forth between the anti-assad movement and the ISIS movement. The equipment follows them, of course - and some completely and totally defect.

Why?

The Muslim Brotherhood has agents within our government that are telling our officials "This will surely stabilize the region. Trust us. Here's a picture of us with Bush. We can't be bad guys."

Of course - then you have Obama, who has said he will back the Muslims over anyone else and who, himself, is sympathetic to the Muslim doctrine of victimization. Hence why the Kurds are not being avidly backed against ISIS, but the notoriously corrupt militants are.

Valarie Jarret is an Iranian - and who are we currently violating the Constitution in order to set up an "agreement to an agreement" over Uranium enrichment? Iran.

You have to understand what Obama's objective is - and it is the same as the Muslim Brotherhood's objective.

They want to bring down all government institutions within the Middle East except for that which is ordained within the Qu'ran and Hadith.

You need to stop taking news as revelation and look at the historical significance of these political terror groups to the so called Free world, namely the USA.
Gee.



Remember when I said: "This stuff doesn't surprise me?"

I meant it. It doesn't surprise me.

You may find that your narrow perceptions and the US VS THEM mentality quickly vaporise. As you learn to accept that this war on terror is a manufactured war and that THEY ARE ALL SECRETLY IN BED TOGETHER to create something sinister.
This is simplistic reasoning at its finest.

The Muslim Brotherhood has simply convinced the U.S. that they have a plan for peace in the Middle East and our politicians (because we elect people who think islands are going to tip over and sink ) buy into it. They think they have "good muslims" on their side who are well informed about the region's groups and how best to deal with them.

The idea that the muslims recommended to them by trusted Americans are somehow agents of an anti-american agenda is not really one they entertain because they are more concerned with passing laws to find out what is in them and chasing down votes by promising people our grandchildrens' money.

That's what I kept trying to tell him since he joined the base xd It is hypocrisy at it's finest to point fingers at other terroristic groups as a u.s. Army soldier.
It is also intellectually dishonest to equate the two.

But you'll find that out in time.

America is going to disappear from the world stage for a few years. "Internal Server Error," is the term, I believe.

That is when things will get really fun in Europe and elsewhere.

When America returns, it will be under the Order of the Dragon, and we will burn the death cult from this planet wherever it hides.

Not a "war on terror" - a Trial of Annihilation. There will be no prisoners taken. There will be no hearts or minds left to have won when we leave. The goats will be lucky if they escape judgment.

When that is done, the sword will be sheathed and we will return to our homes to not be bothered.
 

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And at one point they were backed by the Russians.

Or the Nazis.

It is the nature of politicians to back militants whose actions are apparently supportive of their agenda.



Yes, the CIA did provide Al Qaeda with weapons to fight the Russians. But why was Al Qaeda fighting the Russians in the first place?

The assumption that the CIA was interested (Bush Senior was the director of the CIA under Reagan) in some kind of "New World Order" is just playing to buzzwords. The CIA was tasked with protecting America's interests and fighting proxy wars with Russia was the name of the game.

Al Qaeda had different motivations. You'll find them written in a book.



I'm not sure what is more funny.

The fact that you believe you are presenting me with information that I don't know.

Or the fact that you have absolutely no intellectual capacity for understanding the information you do know.



""Smooth sailing" indeed would seem to characterize the early decades of the Ikhwan's Da'wa movement in America. The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, "The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam."[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.

"The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

-- 'An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,' 1981[16]
"


You have to understand what we are up against.

Politicians ally with the Muslim Brotherhood for various political reasons (Grover Norquist has been a key figure in planting Muslim Brotherhood figures into the administrations of the White House and its related agencies).

"There is one more document, called simply "The Project," that should be examined in the study of the Brotherhood's expansion into Western society in general, and the U.S. government in particular. A November 2001 raid by Swiss authorities on a villa belonging to Yousef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood director of the Al-Taqwa bank (which had been funding al-Qa'eda), recovered this 14-page plan, written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982. "The Project" presents a "flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West," according to Patrick Poole, a counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood expert. [33] Rather than relying primarily on terrorism, as al-Qa'eda and other kinetic-approach jihadis do, the Muslim Brotherhood opted instead for a progressive infiltration of the very structures of Western society in order to achieve the same end result that al-Qa'eda seeks: Islamic domination over the West."

None of this is, truthfully, anything new.

Similar tactics were used back in the 1000s. There is a reason Vlad the Impaler, within Romania and neighboring regions, is considered a hero.

It's only in the farther west, where the Ottomans were seen as viable economic partners, where Vlad was turned into a villain for their lack of understanding.



That's old news.

The groups Obama is funding, currently, have loosely affiliated memberships that bounce back and forth between the anti-assad movement and the ISIS movement. The equipment follows them, of course - and some completely and totally defect.

Why?

The Muslim Brotherhood has agents within our government that are telling our officials "This will surely stabilize the region. Trust us. Here's a picture of us with Bush. We can't be bad guys."

Of course - then you have Obama, who has said he will back the Muslims over anyone else and who, himself, is sympathetic to the Muslim doctrine of victimization. Hence why the Kurds are not being avidly backed against ISIS, but the notoriously corrupt militants are.

Valarie Jarret is an Iranian - and who are we currently violating the Constitution in order to set up an "agreement to an agreement" over Uranium enrichment? Iran.

You have to understand what Obama's objective is - and it is the same as the Muslim Brotherhood's objective.

They want to bring down all government institutions within the Middle East except for that which is ordained within the Qu'ran and Hadith.



Gee.



Remember when I said: "This stuff doesn't surprise me?"

I meant it. It doesn't surprise me.



This is simplistic reasoning at its finest.

The Muslim Brotherhood has simply convinced the U.S. that they have a plan for peace in the Middle East and our politicians (because we elect people who think islands are going to tip over and sink ) buy into it. They think they have "good muslims" on their side who are well informed about the region's groups and how best to deal with them.

The idea that the muslims recommended to them by trusted Americans are somehow agents of an anti-american agenda is not really one they entertain because they are more concerned with passing laws to find out what is in them and chasing down votes by promising people our grandchildrens' money.



It is also intellectually dishonest to equate the two.

But you'll find that out in time.

America is going to disappear from the world stage for a few years. "Internal Server Error," is the term, I believe.

That is when things will get really fun in Europe and elsewhere.

When America returns, it will be under the Order of the Dragon, and we will burn the death cult from this planet wherever it hides.

Not a "war on terror" - a Trial of Annihilation. There will be no prisoners taken. There will be no hearts or minds left to have won when we leave. The goats will be lucky if they escape judgment.

When that is done, the sword will be sheathed and we will return to our homes to not be bothered.
What you're speaking of sounds just like one of the goals of the elitists. Reduce the earth population as to make them easier to control. Reminds me of the prophecising art on that Denver airport. I'm sure the FEMA camps, foreign ''threats'' and the NDAA act will come in handy as to justify whatever disaster you prophecised.
 

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And at one point they were backed by the Russians.

Or the Nazis.

It is the nature of politicians to back militants whose actions are apparently supportive of their agenda.



Yes, the CIA did provide Al Qaeda with weapons to fight the Russians. But why was Al Qaeda fighting the Russians in the first place?

The assumption that the CIA was interested (Bush Senior was the director of the CIA under Reagan) in some kind of "New World Order" is just playing to buzzwords. The CIA was tasked with protecting America's interests and fighting proxy wars with Russia was the name of the game.

Al Qaeda had different motivations. You'll find them written in a book.



I'm not sure what is more funny.

The fact that you believe you are presenting me with information that I don't know.

Or the fact that you have absolutely no intellectual capacity for understanding the information you do know.



""Smooth sailing" indeed would seem to characterize the early decades of the Ikhwan's Da'wa movement in America. The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, "The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam."[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.

"The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

-- 'An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,' 1981[16]
"


You have to understand what we are up against.

Politicians ally with the Muslim Brotherhood for various political reasons (Grover Norquist has been a key figure in planting Muslim Brotherhood figures into the administrations of the White House and its related agencies).

"There is one more document, called simply "The Project," that should be examined in the study of the Brotherhood's expansion into Western society in general, and the U.S. government in particular. A November 2001 raid by Swiss authorities on a villa belonging to Yousef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood director of the Al-Taqwa bank (which had been funding al-Qa'eda), recovered this 14-page plan, written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982. "The Project" presents a "flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West," according to Patrick Poole, a counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood expert. [33] Rather than relying primarily on terrorism, as al-Qa'eda and other kinetic-approach jihadis do, the Muslim Brotherhood opted instead for a progressive infiltration of the very structures of Western society in order to achieve the same end result that al-Qa'eda seeks: Islamic domination over the West."

None of this is, truthfully, anything new.

Similar tactics were used back in the 1000s. There is a reason Vlad the Impaler, within Romania and neighboring regions, is considered a hero.

It's only in the farther west, where the Ottomans were seen as viable economic partners, where Vlad was turned into a villain for their lack of understanding.



That's old news.

The groups Obama is funding, currently, have loosely affiliated memberships that bounce back and forth between the anti-assad movement and the ISIS movement. The equipment follows them, of course - and some completely and totally defect.

Why?

The Muslim Brotherhood has agents within our government that are telling our officials "This will surely stabilize the region. Trust us. Here's a picture of us with Bush. We can't be bad guys."

Of course - then you have Obama, who has said he will back the Muslims over anyone else and who, himself, is sympathetic to the Muslim doctrine of victimization. Hence why the Kurds are not being avidly backed against ISIS, but the notoriously corrupt militants are.

Valarie Jarret is an Iranian - and who are we currently violating the Constitution in order to set up an "agreement to an agreement" over Uranium enrichment? Iran.

You have to understand what Obama's objective is - and it is the same as the Muslim Brotherhood's objective.

They want to bring down all government institutions within the Middle East except for that which is ordained within the Qu'ran and Hadith.



Gee.



Remember when I said: "This stuff doesn't surprise me?"

I meant it. It doesn't surprise me.



This is simplistic reasoning at its finest.

The Muslim Brotherhood has simply convinced the U.S. that they have a plan for peace in the Middle East and our politicians (because we elect people who think islands are going to tip over and sink ) buy into it. They think they have "good muslims" on their side who are well informed about the region's groups and how best to deal with them.

The idea that the muslims recommended to them by trusted Americans are somehow agents of an anti-american agenda is not really one they entertain because they are more concerned with passing laws to find out what is in them and chasing down votes by promising people our grandchildrens' money.



It is also intellectually dishonest to equate the two.

But you'll find that out in time.

America is going to disappear from the world stage for a few years. "Internal Server Error," is the term, I believe.

That is when things will get really fun in Europe and elsewhere.

When America returns, it will be under the Order of the Dragon, and we will burn the death cult from this planet wherever it hides.

Not a "war on terror" - a Trial of Annihilation. There will be no prisoners taken. There will be no hearts or minds left to have won when we leave. The goats will be lucky if they escape judgment.

When that is done, the sword will be sheathed and we will return to our homes to not be bothered.
Do you really believe the bullshit your fingers type or are you just talking to talk as per usual?
 

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What you're speaking of sounds just like one of the goals of the elitists. Reduce the earth population as to make them easier to control. Reminds me of the prophecising art on that Denver airport. I'm sure the FEMA camps, foreign ''threats'' and the NDAA act will come in handy as to justify whatever disaster you prophecised.
*sigh*

You're a frustrating case, you know that?

You've joined a group of self-proclaimed intellectuals and regurgitate the same parroting they do. Like the fools of the occupy movement who only partially understand the material they cite and fail to realize they are a pawn in the game that is being played.

Your fatal assumption is assuming that there's only one team playing the game.

There are, by my count, at least ten 'major' players - IE, ten 'major' agendas that are distinct from each other and some potentially conflict with each other. Then there are numerous regional agendas at play held by various groups (sometimes conflicting groups in and of themselves).

I trust you understand, to a degree, how the Federal Reserve works to 'monetize debt' and fuel government spending, correct?

Republicans and Democrats agree to this system for similar reasons regarding the power it gives them over the nations' affairs (it allows them to control/influence many things without ever having to go before a population for a vote). There is, however a growing progressive agenda which seeks to crash that system.

Why? The Federal Reserve is a private institution. It's "free market" - or will be trumpeted as such after the collapse.

Just as 1929 was used as a means to launch Roosevelt's socialist agenda into office (despite the fact that the same people -created- the Federal Reserve in the first place despite predictions that the market would become far more unstable because of it) and the 2008 market collapse was used as a means of imposing other controls on banks (when it was the government housing mandates that created the housing bubble by threatening lawsuit against banks who did not loan to parties that were historically risky ventures).... so, too, will a modern market collapse be used to push for heavy socialist regulation of industries.

They will still keep the Federal Reserve - it will just be completely owned and operated by the government (which will make things even worse).

Is this part of a "new world order?"

All power hungry people seek to expand their influence. Debates over who should get to spend from the surplus budget on what projects will eventually turn into debates over how much to raise the taxes to pay for a politician's o-so-wise project.... the backlash from the public will then convince politicians to seek underhanded means of banking/accounting to print money however they want and convince the public that it's all a legitimate scheme.

It's a beast that consumes and grows and there are many different heads of the same beast - some of which fight each other.

As far as what I'm talking about - it's not a "population reduction."

There are tired wenches and broken slaves who I will grind my bones to a bloody pulp to keep from harm.

There is a specific threat that worships the beast and embodies its most pure and unadulterated form. Its prophet followed the dragon of ancient tales and the fallen star from heaven. We are all born with the blood of that dragon - with instincts for knowledge, compassion, manipulation, and domination.

Created from the divine, born from the dragon. We are the war in heaven as the fragments of our lost history all indicate.

Do you really believe the bullshit your fingers type or are you just talking to talk as per usual?
And what, child, do you believe in?

To what or to whom does your soul anchor?
 

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And at one point they were backed by the Russians.

Or the Nazis.

It is the nature of politicians to back militants whose actions are apparently supportive of their agenda.



Yes, the CIA did provide Al Qaeda with weapons to fight the Russians. But why was Al Qaeda fighting the Russians in the first place?

The assumption that the CIA was interested (Bush Senior was the director of the CIA under Reagan) in some kind of "New World Order" is just playing to buzzwords. The CIA was tasked with protecting America's interests and fighting proxy wars with Russia was the name of the game.

Al Qaeda had different motivations. You'll find them written in a book.



I'm not sure what is more funny.

The fact that you believe you are presenting me with information that I don't know.

Or the fact that you have absolutely no intellectual capacity for understanding the information you do know.



""Smooth sailing" indeed would seem to characterize the early decades of the Ikhwan's Da'wa movement in America. The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, "The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam."[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.

"The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

-- 'An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,' 1981[16]
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You have to understand what we are up against.

Politicians ally with the Muslim Brotherhood for various political reasons (Grover Norquist has been a key figure in planting Muslim Brotherhood figures into the administrations of the White House and its related agencies).

"There is one more document, called simply "The Project," that should be examined in the study of the Brotherhood's expansion into Western society in general, and the U.S. government in particular. A November 2001 raid by Swiss authorities on a villa belonging to Yousef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood director of the Al-Taqwa bank (which had been funding al-Qa'eda), recovered this 14-page plan, written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982. "The Project" presents a "flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West," according to Patrick Poole, a counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood expert. [33] Rather than relying primarily on terrorism, as al-Qa'eda and other kinetic-approach jihadis do, the Muslim Brotherhood opted instead for a progressive infiltration of the very structures of Western society in order to achieve the same end result that al-Qa'eda seeks: Islamic domination over the West."

None of this is, truthfully, anything new.

Similar tactics were used back in the 1000s. There is a reason Vlad the Impaler, within Romania and neighboring regions, is considered a hero.

It's only in the farther west, where the Ottomans were seen as viable economic partners, where Vlad was turned into a villain for their lack of understanding.



That's old news.

The groups Obama is funding, currently, have loosely affiliated memberships that bounce back and forth between the anti-assad movement and the ISIS movement. The equipment follows them, of course - and some completely and totally defect.

Why?

The Muslim Brotherhood has agents within our government that are telling our officials "This will surely stabilize the region. Trust us. Here's a picture of us with Bush. We can't be bad guys."

Of course - then you have Obama, who has said he will back the Muslims over anyone else and who, himself, is sympathetic to the Muslim doctrine of victimization. Hence why the Kurds are not being avidly backed against ISIS, but the notoriously corrupt militants are.

Valarie Jarret is an Iranian - and who are we currently violating the Constitution in order to set up an "agreement to an agreement" over Uranium enrichment? Iran.

You have to understand what Obama's objective is - and it is the same as the Muslim Brotherhood's objective.

They want to bring down all government institutions within the Middle East except for that which is ordained within the Qu'ran and Hadith.



Gee.



Remember when I said: "This stuff doesn't surprise me?"

I meant it. It doesn't surprise me.



This is simplistic reasoning at its finest.

The Muslim Brotherhood has simply convinced the U.S. that they have a plan for peace in the Middle East and our politicians (because we elect people who think islands are going to tip over and sink ) buy into it. They think they have "good muslims" on their side who are well informed about the region's groups and how best to deal with them.

The idea that the muslims recommended to them by trusted Americans are somehow agents of an anti-american agenda is not really one they entertain because they are more concerned with passing laws to find out what is in them and chasing down votes by promising people our grandchildrens' money.



It is also intellectually dishonest to equate the two.

But you'll find that out in time.

America is going to disappear from the world stage for a few years. "Internal Server Error," is the term, I believe.

That is when things will get really fun in Europe and elsewhere.

When America returns, it will be under the Order of the Dragon, and we will burn the death cult from this planet wherever it hides.

Not a "war on terror" - a Trial of Annihilation. There will be no prisoners taken. There will be no hearts or minds left to have won when we leave. The goats will be lucky if they escape judgment.

When that is done, the sword will be sheathed and we will return to our homes to not be bothered.
You haven't addressed my points. You have demonstrated is the ability to change the whole direction of the debate because you have not done your research.

1. Al Qaeeda and the Taliban have always had the same goal. How can you justify the US' involvement with supporting these groups? Why do they get to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't

You have cut and paste random rhetoric from fruit cakes.

Your other comments are all outrageously bonkers and completely off topic. You need help man.
 
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And what, child, do you believe in?

To what or to whom does your soul anchor?
Why do you have to be so condescending? It's like anytime someone doesn't agree with you they are a child?

I believe in the powers of J-Hovah and Yeezus Christ. Young Simba, King Cole the lyrical. The almighty Negus Kendrick.
 

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*sigh*

You're a frustrating case, you know that?

You've joined a group of self-proclaimed intellectuals and regurgitate the same parroting they do. Like the fools of the occupy movement who only partially understand the material they cite and fail to realize they are a pawn in the game that is being played.

Your fatal assumption is assuming that there's only one team playing the game.

There are, by my count, at least ten 'major' players - IE, ten 'major' agendas that are distinct from each other and some potentially conflict with each other. Then there are numerous regional agendas at play held by various groups (sometimes conflicting groups in and of themselves).

I trust you understand, to a degree, how the Federal Reserve works to 'monetize debt' and fuel government spending, correct?

Republicans and Democrats agree to this system for similar reasons regarding the power it gives them over the nations' affairs (it allows them to control/influence many things without ever having to go before a population for a vote). There is, however a growing progressive agenda which seeks to crash that system.

Why? The Federal Reserve is a private institution. It's "free market" - or will be trumpeted as such after the collapse.

Just as 1929 was used as a means to launch Roosevelt's socialist agenda into office (despite the fact that the same people -created- the Federal Reserve in the first place despite predictions that the market would become far more unstable because of it) and the 2008 market collapse was used as a means of imposing other controls on banks (when it was the government housing mandates that created the housing bubble by threatening lawsuit against banks who did not loan to parties that were historically risky ventures).... so, too, will a modern market collapse be used to push for heavy socialist regulation of industries.

They will still keep the Federal Reserve - it will just be completely owned and operated by the government (which will make things even worse).

Is this part of a "new world order?"

All power hungry people seek to expand their influence. Debates over who should get to spend from the surplus budget on what projects will eventually turn into debates over how much to raise the taxes to pay for a politician's o-so-wise project.... the backlash from the public will then convince politicians to seek underhanded means of banking/accounting to print money however they want and convince the public that it's all a legitimate scheme.

It's a beast that consumes and grows and there are many different heads of the same beast - some of which fight each other.

As far as what I'm talking about - it's not a "population reduction."

There are tired wenches and broken slaves who I will grind my bones to a bloody pulp to keep from harm.

There is a specific threat that worships the beast and embodies its most pure and unadulterated form. Its prophet followed the dragon of ancient tales and the fallen star from heaven. We are all born with the blood of that dragon - with instincts for knowledge, compassion, manipulation, and domination.

Created from the divine, born from the dragon. We are the war in heaven as the fragments of our lost history all indicate.



And what, child, do you believe in?

To what or to whom does your soul anchor?
I understand the FED and its history and most related issues but thanks. The only difference between you and me, other than being maybe 2/3 years apart whilest you consider me a ''child'', is that I don't care as much as to come across as a smartass. I don't take 20 minutes to write my posts as I simply don't feel like going in-to-deep and looking up sources and info. Lately, you even start throwing in weird, almost poetic lines like ''There is a specific threat that worships the beast and embodies its most pure and unadulterated form. Its prophet followed the dragon of ancient tales and the fallen star from heaven. We are all born with the blood of that dragon - with instincts for knowledge, compassion, manipulation, and domination.'' Lol

As for your posts in general: I honestly like to occassionaly read a well-articulate and educational post. You're a wonderful asset to the base but the snobby way you type makes it annoying to read. I used to always make a point to you by showing a quote so here;

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I understand the FED and its history and most related issues but thanks. The only difference between you and me, other than being maybe 2/3 years apart whilest you consider me a ''child'', is that I don't care as much as to come across as a smartass. I don't take 20 minutes to write my posts as I simply don't feel like going in-to-deep and looking up sources and info.
You could be a hundred years older than me and still a child.

Why do you suppose being a child is a bad thing?

It is a statement that denotes the difference in perspective and the contrast in purpose. It is not a valuing of your being.

Lately, you even start throwing in weird, almost poetic lines like ''There is a specific threat that worships the beast and embodies its most pure and unadulterated form. Its prophet followed the dragon of ancient tales and the fallen star from heaven. We are all born with the blood of that dragon - with instincts for knowledge, compassion, manipulation, and domination.''
One supposedly as versed in the truth as yourself should easily understand the meaning.

As for your posts in general: I honestly like to occassionaly read a well-articulate and educational post. You're a wonderful asset to the base but the snobby way you type makes it annoying to read.
There is a time to speak for the moment.

There are other times to speak for the future.

I used to always make a point to you by showing a quote so here;

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I shall counter with my own:

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You haven't addressed my points. You have demonstrated is the ability to change the whole direction of the debate because you have not done your research.
I have. You just insist that you have a point.

1. Al Qaeeda and the Taliban have always had the same goal. How can you justify the US' involvement with supporting these groups? Why do they get to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't
You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

You can't insist politicians are corrupt and foolish only to then turn around and implicate them in dastardly plots of inhuman cognizance.

It's simple. AQ was fighting the Russians. The CIA supported groups that were opposed to the Russians and turned a blind eye to their tactics.

Later, when those groups attacked us - we decided it was in our interest to defeat them.

Short-sighted goals define much of the political world. World War II was a direct extension of World War I and made possible by the various goals of the League of Nations. All of which were short-sighted and didn't take into account what those decisions would mean ten or fifteen years down the road.

You have cut and paste random rhetoric from fruit cakes.
'Fruit Cakes' who were correct.

I also cite any copy and pasting that I do.

Your other comments are all outrageously bonkers and completely off topic. You need help man.
When they come to pass, you'll understand precisely why they are completely on topic.

Why do you have to be so condescending? It's like anytime someone doesn't agree with you they are a child?
Why do you hate children?

'Child' denotes a role and purpose. Being a child is the rule, not the exception.

I believe in the powers of J-Hovah and Yeezus Christ. Young Simba, King Cole the lyrical. The almighty Negus Kendrick.
Do you, now?



And how do you know what that means?
 

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Why do you hate children?

'Child' denotes a role and purpose. Being a child is the rule, not the exception.
Who said I hate children? I'm simply confused as to why you feel the need to call anyone who does not have a similar outlook on life as you, a child.

Do you, now?



And how do you know what that means?
How do I know what what means? That's extremely vague.
 
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