[Discussion] Kenpachi, Kurotsuchi Mayuri and Byakuya vs Urahara, Isshin and Yoruichi

[kotoamatsukami]

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There. Besides, I'm pretty sure he wasn't in that gravity room thing for more than 30 seconds. I'll give it 10 seconds tops.

It's clear that you can see that gremmy spead things up an tried to deliver a killing blow but it failed cuz he was fighting the almighty zaraki.

 

[Killuaa]

It's clear that you can see that gremmy spead things up an tried to deliver a killing blow but it failed cuz he was fighting the almighty zaraki.

What are you talking about? I was not talking about Gremmy nor a killing blow or whatsoever.

I'm talking about the space thing that Kenpachi was in? You know what that is? No. Probably not.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

What are you talking about? I was not talking about Gremmy nor a killing blow or whatsoever.

I'm talking about the space thing that Kenpachi was in? You know what that is? No. Probably not.

Yea the space thing that's what I'm talking bout..we seen fluids come out of zaraki's mouth an eye balls an he survived it an look like he took no damage where as if it were a human they woul have been down an out.

 

[Killuaa]

Yea the space thing that's what I'm talking bout..we seen fluids come out of zaraki's mouth an eye balls an he survived it an look like he took no damage where as if it were a human they woul have been down an out.

So? My point is, if that happens to Zaraki in bare space, how much damage would actually be needed to take him out? There's no sufficient feats saying Isshin's GT won't take him out or that it would actually take any captain level characters. You're just techinically saying "it's deadly and Zaraki was hurt, so it can kill anybody", well, NOOO.

Try to actually read the topic at hand before joining an argument.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

So? My point is, if that happens to Zaraki in bare space, how much damage would actually be needed to take him out? There's no sufficient feats saying Isshin's GT won't take him out or that it would actually take any captain level characters. You're just techinically saying "it's deadly and Zaraki was hurt, so it can kill anybody", well, NOOO.

Try to actually read the topic at hand before joining an argument.

Wait I did not know we were talking about isshin gt, any how it would never land if zaraki is in his shikai form zaraki would just block it..can zaraki tank it who knows..zaraki was also hit by some exploding star thing by gremmy so what does that say about his toughness?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Byakuya solos three quincy down.

 

[Killuaa]

Byakuya solos three quincy down.

So did Kenpachi before even fighting Unohana.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

So did Kenpachi before even fighting Unohana.

Yea but we deemed them as weak Quincy compared to the ones Byakuya fought but what ever..

As you can see now this match is unfair Byakuya team rapes...but we will just have to wait for the other three to show there real power even though it probly won't matter.

 

[Killuaa]

Yea but we deemed them as weak Quincy compared to the ones Byakuya fought but what ever..

As you can see now this match is unfair Byakuya team rapes...but we will just have to wait for the other three to show there real power even though it probly won't matter.

No we don't, maybe you do. Why would we deem them weaker? One of them was already Kenpachi level before fighting Unohana, not sure about the other two.

You're the only one who thinks they rape and probably a few other people. It would matter, Urahara and Isshin were always portrayed to be the strongest Shinigamis from Gotei 13 bar Yamamoto, Unohana and Aizen. Probably Current Kenpachi too. Isshin is the father of the protagonist, Ichigo will be portrayed weaker than his father until he gets a powerup. That's how it is in shonen mangas.

I'm not getting in this debate since I'm sure it'll last for about 3 pages with you simply wanking Byakuya while lowballing the ex-captain trio.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

No we don't, maybe you do. Why would we deem them weaker? One of them was already Kenpachi level before fighting Unohana, not sure about the other two.

You're the only one who thinks they rape and probably a few other people. It would matter, Urahara and Isshin were always portrayed to be the strongest Shinigamis from Gotei 13 bar Yamamoto, Unohana and Aizen. Probably Current Kenpachi too. Isshin is the father of the protagonist, Ichigo will be portrayed weaker than his father until he gets a powerup. That's how it is in shonen mangas.

I'm not getting in this debate since I'm sure it'll last for about 3 pages with you simply wanking Byakuya while lowballing the ex-captain trio.

Lol urahra an isshin strongest captains after the ones you named that's false cuz ukitake an kyoraku are potrade as the strongest after the really old ones don't forget about squad zero members aswell they are also old captains of the gotei 13.

I'm not wanking Byakuya the manga is an you gotta follow the manga oops I forgot you don't do that.

 

[Killuaa]

Lol urahra an isshin strongest captains after the ones you named that's false cuz ukitake an kyoraku are potrade as the strongest after the really old ones don't forget about squad zero members aswell they are also old captains of the gotei 13.

I'm not wanking Byakuya the manga is an you gotta follow the manga oops I forgot you don't do that.

so that's probably the reason why shunsui was one-shotted by Aizen whereas Isshin was the one stomping him? Yeah, you're probably gonna find other excuses to lowball him, whatever. That alone puts his portrayal above Shunsui's.

You're not? :O
You say the ones Kenpachi defeated are weaker based on nothing, and you're saying you're not wanking Byakuya? Okay.
You just keep repeating that I don't analyse the manga enough to make yourself feel good and you'll be fine.

#disregardwankers

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

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There. Besides, I'm pretty sure he wasn't in that gravity room thing for more than 30 seconds. I'll give it 10 seconds tops.

Gremmy outright stated what will happen in Galaxy room.

He lacks feats, but his hype is above Gremmy. I will not force you to believe in this, myself, I don't have proof to say that he is stronger than Gremmy, but there is no much evidence about Gremmy being stronger than Pepe either.



You saw the thone Pepe was talking, same with Askin. Askin is lazy persona and I would say that his statament isn't serious. Starrk didn't ming Barragan boosing him around, even though Starrk is higher ranked than Barry and is stronger than him. Similar situation is here. Askin seems like a lazy person.
I can make parallel with Kizaru (from One Piece) he said that commanders are fearsome, but during the fight he they were defeated rather easily one by one.



Comparable would mean around equal. Either way, I don't know what you refer to say official translation when you say that, I'm holding volume in my hands and it clearly say we were equal.

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Shinigami Aizen vs. Urahara

Hakuda: Shinigami Aizen has no hand to hand demonstrations. Urahara being one of the top officers in the 2nd division means he is proficient at the use of hand to hand combat. Urahara being chosen as the Maggot Nest Guardian and Commander of the Detention Unit, means that Urahara is one the most skilled Hakuda users around. It is not about whether Urahara handled fodders or not, his status in the Omnitskido is a direct reference to his top tier skill in said category.

Aizen 0 : Urahara 1

Shunpo: Shinigami Aizen speed blitzed SS Bankai Hitsugaya & FKT Bankai Ichigo. Urahara speed blitzed unreleased Yammy and Hogyoku Aizen. Not only was Hogyoku Aizen unaware when Urahara switched with the fake Gigai, but noticed Urahara until the latter was behind him. The speed and precision it takes to switch with the fake Gigai is of high skill. Urahara pulling such a move against Hogyoku Aizen infers to his confidence in his top tier speed.

Aizen 0 : Urahara 2

Zanjutsu: Bleehhhhh. Tie. (It appears that the whole Zanjutsu concept doesn't even exist. One day, Ichigo is a noob. The next, he's an ambidextrous user.)

Intelligence: By Aizen's admittance.

Aizen 0 : Urahara 3

Physical Power/Endurance: It is unclear whether Aizen stopped SS Bankai Ichigo & FKT Bankai Komamura's strikes with raw physicality or via reatsu difference (I am of the opinion that it was through reatsu difference) - Urahara took for granted an attack by Hogyoku Aizen and quite literally shrugged it off and proceeded with his Kido activation. Nor did the damage inflicted on Urahara appear to affect him afterwards. Again, Urahara's confidence in taking on an attack by Hogyoku Aizen just in order to proceed with a Kido marks his high physical power/endurance.

Aizen 0 : Urahara 4

Kidou: Aizen's Kidous used so far (Danku and #90) Urahara's Kidous (#91 - creates/modifies his own; seals, kamikaze reatsu handcuffs..)

Aizen 0 : Urahara 5

Zanpakto ability: Aizen's Kyoka appears to be much more effective. Although, Urahara's Zanpakto is very versatile (defensive, offensive and all other shenanigans)

Aizen 1 : Urahara 5

This is just by using feats, not to mention that for the most time Urahara is keeping out of battles, and that Aizen had much more screen time to show his abilities, but he is still inferior to Urahara.



Yes, but main weapon is zanpakuto, others would give him boost in power, I can elaborate to you, why current Byakuya shouldn't be stronger than Renji.



Yes, but that still will not help him against more inteligent characters than him.



Greatly surpassed Battle worn Unohana.



Manga stated something, burden of proof is on you. Either way, I listed above, just with feat vs feat, Urahara is superior to Aizen, even though Urahara had much less screen time. On top of that Urahara is one of most hyped characters in the series...



Why someone need to stand in one point, in order to be hit by kido. On the contrary, in Urahara's case, he is actually the one who need to stand in one point, and wait for his opponent to touch him two times.



I stopped reading when I saw Zaraki the continue buster. Just because one forum said that does not mean that you are not biased.



Mayuri killed many innocent souls and Quncies, and still no one can't do anything to him, he is not even striped from his captain position.



Pepe and Askin also said that they are monsters. Askin goes that far to say that Gremmy is untalented. They 'fear' him because he has 'hax' ability, not because he is overall strong. Just like whole Gotei was affraid of KS.
Portrayel sure don't put him at first spot:
1. Jugram - I don't think this is even debetable. Jugram is his leader, not just that he is leader of SR, but he is strong enough to be next emperor, he and Yhwach are similar.
2. Askin - I alreedy explained, tho I don't mind if you think otherwise
3. Pepe - same as above.
4. Royd - keep up with Yamamoto.

Portrayel don't say anything about his strength, it just said that Gremmy is plot device to hype Zaraki's strength. If Gremmy is strongest than he wouldn't be defeated this early in the series.



Not just second in command, he is strong to replace Yhwach. He is same as Yhwach and there is no proof that he is loyal as you think to Yhwach. On the contrary, he didn't say anything when Askin called him 'next emperor'.



Because he is creepy kid. WW was same, the difference is that WW was last Arrancar to be defeated, Gremmy is defeated far before final fight.



1. That was said by C46, C46 also believed Aizen, also C46 is not fighters, their stataments could be vague.
2. If he don't be defeated before he could drop meteor.
From what we saw Gremmy is not really smart, so he will not even realise what's happaning around him.



That's because of difference in personallity. Point is that we already had some guy who was blabing about himself.



That don't change my point here.



1. There is no need to do so. It won't change what I said here.
2. It's against the rules.
2. There don't exist Kenpachi vs Gremmy thread, there exist official versus thread, and 4000 posts, so to search 4000 posts just to show you, no way.



What does that prove.



He said oh wait, just after Quilge explained his abilities and when he realised what he had one more abilities. Which Kisuke didn't know about. He knew about Blut, Vollstanidg and stealing bankai device, so that's why he was surprised.



1. Tessai could be better, but only based on hype.
2. Hachi had time, but didn't demonstrate to put him above.
3. Same with Aizen.

Maybe you just put him less. You can be someones fan and still put him low, I have experienced with that. In your head you think that something is good argument to put him above, but actually it's not.



Ok, either way I will respect your views.

Not in the mood for this debate, agree to disagree.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

so that's probably the reason why shunsui was one-shotted by Aizen whereas Isshin was the one stomping him? Yeah, you're probably gonna find other excuses to lowball him, whatever. That alone puts his portrayal above Shunsui's.

You're not? :O
You say the ones Kenpachi defeated are weaker based on nothing, and you're saying you're not wanking Byakuya? Okay.
You just keep repeating that I don't analyse the manga enough to make yourself feel good and you'll be fine.

#disregardwankers

Lol once again kyoraku was worn down somewhat from his fight with stark plus aizen used ks witch he did not use for isshin,isshin was at full health while aizen body was going tired so yea.

Yes you completely push away the manga you saw unohana say I was weaker than you to zaraki an you say she is probaly stronger or the same strong? Lol.....an yea the ones zaraki defeated were most likely weaker an it really don't mean nothing cuz Byakuya an zaraki ***** slap the other team to their defeat until farther notice.

The manga is what hypes zaraki an Byakuya not me so blame kubo not me.