KCSM Naruto[The Last] Vs Vote RSM Naruto

[BLAZE]

Imo RSM naruto stomps low diff but this guy feels different so just asking for opinions

He used KSM while having full Kurama, that would put KSM between war arc BSM and RSM which used only Yin/Yang Kurama. Naruto also has Hashirama cells which boost jutsu's power, increase stamina, and can give the ability to use wood jutsus.

Thinks Vote Sasuke<The Last Naruto
Distance=50 m
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[KidGamer65]

It takes a true retard to argue that KCSM will defeat RSM. Lol.

 

[Trúth]

That guy's as bad as KH, forget him.

 

[BLAZE]

It takes a true retard to argue that KCSM will defeat RSM. Lol.

Minator claimed it once Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Minator claimed it once Lol

Yup. Another retard.

 

[Zee U]

Naruto may have gotten way stronger (judging by his base mode feats and Sasuke's own progress), but saying he is in Shippuden RSM Naruto's league is a big stretch. That mode is borderline ridicolous, no training or another Kurama can even remotely dream to compete with it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Imo RSM naruto stomps low diff but this guy feels different so just asking for opinions


Thinks Vote Sasuke<The Last Naruto
Distance=50 m
Restrictions= None

Where do I say KSM beats RSM? I said KSM (full Kurama) was between BSM and RSM (Yin or Yang Kurama). Nothing says Naruto can't use the other Bijuus abilities in KSM either; he couldn't use their power until he had all 9 Bijuus which he does right now and it's not only for RSM; Hagoromo yang chakra gave Naruto the ability to go RSM and the Bijuu power was a seperate powerup. Naruto also got Hashirama's cells which increases stamina, jutsus power, and can give the ability to use wood jutsus. Sasuke got Hashirama cells when Kabuto healed him while Naruto got it when he got his new arm. Let's not forget the fact that Naruto from the last has 2 years to improve his skills and powers where as he was new to his power in the war arc like Sasuke.

Now to give an idea of full Kurama's power. Yang Kurama gave Kakashi some of his chakra which Kakashi said increase Kamui power by at least 3x the power (at least means the lowest it did, it could have been stronger than 3x). After Naruto made the chakra close to that of each ninja, Kakashi said the chakra was much more powerful so it would make their jutsus around 4x-7x stronger if not more. When Naruto and Minato gave the Alliance chakra from both Yin and Yang Kurama, Choji stated that the chakra was much stronger than before so we know Full Kurama chakra is going to be much stronger than that of Yin or Yang Kurama. Naruto's jutsus are like 16x stronger. Now let's add natural energy to the mix. We know natural energy turns normal chakra into a stronger chakra called Senjutsu as Pa toad told Naruto, so the power of full Kurama's chakra is going to be much higher so Naruto's jutsu power is going to be higher than 16x the power.

So as I said before, Naruto's KSM from the last is going to be between war arc Naruto's BSM and RSM. Let's not forget Naruto from the last base is on Kage level or higher and improved a lot as shown when he beat up puppets that Hinata's high Jounin level dad and his 2 guards got easily beat by the same puppets and Naruto didn't need to use clones to fight; only to fight the puppets while he go after Hinata.

 

[Sin of Wrath]

KCSM get's shatted on.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Naruto wins neg diff

 

[BLAZE]

That guy's as bad as KH, forget him.

:| Added to ignore list

 

[KingHashirama]

Don't know about forms<< Since Naruto still has the power to gather all the energy around the earth.. but the base Naruto in LAST, takes a dump on the base Naruto at VOTE.

 

[Made in Heaven]

RSM Naruto wins. Although KCSM Naruto would be considerably stronger than BSM Naruto, due to more experience, Hashiroids, and 100% Kurama.

btw, I hope this thread isn't trying to imply Naruto lost RSM in the Last

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Naruto wins.

 

[BLAZE]

RSM Naruto wins. Although KCSM Naruto would be considerably stronger than BSM Naruto, due to more experience, Hashiroids, and 100% Kurama.

BSM Naruto=Bijuu Mode[Avatar form Naruto+SM]
KCSM=Base Kyubi Chakra mode Naruto+SM[No avatar]

btw, I hope this thread isn't trying to imply Naruto lost RSM in the Last

Filler movie is Filler

 

[MickNerks]

The naruto from the last is the same naruto from VOTE, so I dont understand what this discussion is trying to prove.


RSM (Six Paths Chakra + Yang Kurama + 8 Bijuu's chakra + Senjutsu)

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The Last RSM Naruto (Six Paths Chakra + Full Kurama + 8 bijuu's chakra + Hashirama's Cells + Senjutsu)

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The only difference is the design of the cloak which has been noted to have changed since naruto was given full kurama. We saw his cloak change 4 times during the war so its really not that hard to believe.

Its the same naruto with the exact same powers.


And before someone states that the naruto from the last didnt have six paths power:
1. nothing in the movie suggested that he wasnt using it (with different design)
2. Naruto was shown flying mulitple times while in battle, which couldnt be done without rikudo's chakra.

 

[V h o]

The movie Naruto can use all the feats from vote Naruto alongside his movie feats, so how is this debatable?

 

[BLAZE]

The naruto from the last is the same naruto from VOTE, so I dont understand what this discussion is trying to prove.

My Sides Lol

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Kurama Mode

Stated to be the "complete version" of Nine Tails Chakra Mode, accomplished when Naruto and Kurama sync their hearts. It allows Naruto to use the most powerful secret abilities of the Jinchūriki, like Tailed Beast Bomb and Tailed Beast Transformation.

Kurama Chakra Mode

Borrowing an enormous amount of Chakra from Kurama, who has been sealed in his body, Naruto exhibits overwhelming power. By simultaneously activating Sage Mode, his sensory capabilities and the strength of his Ninjutsu are significantly increased...!!

←↓ With the Four Symbols Seal lifted, his Chakra flows out like flames.

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Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!

 

[KCN]

absolute joke. rsm Naruto destroys kcsm Naruto with zero difficulty. don't be fooled by him defeating toneri; that guys the biggest fraud in the series.

 

[xxSAGExx]

RSM Naruto wins. Although KCSM Naruto would be considerably stronger than BSM Naruto, due to more experience, Hashiroids, and 100% Kurama.

btw, I hope this thread isn't trying to imply Naruto lost RSM in the Last

Exactly my point, Demons doesn't seem to understand that Naruto only had Yang or Yin Kurama when he went KM, BM, BSM, and RSM during the war arc. In Ch. 699 he got Yang Kurama back when he already had Yin Kurama so Kurama's powers are much stronger in Ch. 699 than they were in 698. Naruto also got a stamina boost and jutsu powerup from Hashirama cells plus using Senjutsu further boost that power. I never said 19 yr Naruto's KSM beat 17 yr Naruto's RSM; only that it was between war arc BSM and RSM. It's really only war arc BSM but Hashirama cells boost it above it plus Naruto can use the 9 Bijuus abilities since they weren't a powerup depended on RSM; he gained them one after another.

BSM Naruto=Bijuu Mode[Avatar form Naruto+SM]
KCSM=Base Kyubi Chakra mode Naruto+SM[No avatar]


Filler movie is Filler

So you're saying BSM with only Yang Kurama is not on the same level as KSM using full Kurama? You do know that full Kurama's chakra reserve is twice as large and twice as powerful? So Full Kurama KSM would have the same chakra as Yang Kurama BSM but Naruto also gained Hashirama cells which improve jutsus power as shown with KA, Kamui, Edo Tensei (Orochimaru) which gives Naruto from the last an extra power boost. Also he should be capable of using the 9 Bijuus powers since he only needed to get all 9 Bijuu chakra before he was able to access their abilities so 19 yr old Naruto has 2 years of training to master or at least become adept in his powers.

The Last RSM should be a little over 2x the power of War arc RSM unless you think full Kurama+Sage Senjutsu equals Yin Kurama+Sage Senjutsu? Should know that the higher the chakra reserve, the more natural energy you use which makes the chakra reserve larger plus full Kurama chakra is more powerful than Yin or Yang Kurama so the outcome of Full Kurama RSM is a larger reserve and more powerful chakra. Don't know why you made a thread about this when its not hard to see; never said KSM beats RSM.

 

[Unorthodox]

someone explain how naruto got weaker after 3 years?

KSCM cant win but BSM wins