KCM Naruto vs Itachi

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Naruto would tear him a new *******, lol.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Naruto via anything really

Was this an effort to lure out itachi's wankers:eww:

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Two Gamakichi sized Rasenshurikens would take care of Itachi. Yata can only block one. U_U

Kurama would break Tsukuyomi(Naruto had a full convo with several Bijuu and received chakra from them in the time it took for his clones to pull out chakra rods. Kurama would definitely break him out instantly)

Amaterasu is too slow. Plus KM chakra arms would block.

 

[Icelerate]

Naruto runs circles around Itachi, literally.

Well he wins this low-mid difficulty for the most part.

 

[Mellanoma]

They dont have the same mind, kurama occupies naruto's mind. They "share" it because that's where kurama lives, like a roommate.

Kurama has his own mind, nobody resides within his mind. But he lives in naruto's mind, I guess I shouldnt say thay share a mind but rather kurama just occupies it.



Yes, if kurama is prepared for naruto to get hit by a genjutsu then he can react more quickly. Kurama would feel the disruption & he can react near instantly, well faster than gyuki could because gyuki wasnt expecting it.



It took time because gyuki wasnt expecting it. When he noticed it he was able to break bee free instantly.

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Scan 1 - sasuke first entering naruto's subconscious, naruto is barely starting to get up.

Scan 2 - After their extremely long conversation (ch. 308-9) Sasuke is standing in the exact same position along with naruto still getting up.

Scan 3- Yamato using a jutsu, now if time didnt just stop for them during that moment then why would yamato wait for sasuke to finish what he was doing before attacking, makes no sense, especially from a writer's standpoint.

Basically from these 3 scans it is apparent that naruto's mind does not follow the same timeframe that the real world follows. What you proved is that sensing works the same way for bijuu/jinchuuriki, however I proved that time does not.

The thing is.. going off the anime which gives a way better representation. Time lapsed in the real world it's just Yamato was injured, Sai was owned, and Sakura was being Sakura. I get what you saying real time stops and subconsciously dialoge continues.

Another point to bring in mind is EVEN if Tsukyomi pulls nine tails and naruto in. Naruto will be bounded still and Itachi using his MS could suppress the nine tails as the MANGA stated and shown feats

So in the end even if you are right Manga states MS users can control the nine tails so Naruto would be tortured and Kyuubi would be bounded as well.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Pain Arc SM Naruto was already enough to take Sick Itachi at High-Diff.​

 

[Mellanoma]

Pain Arc SM Naruto was already enough to take Sick Itachi at High-Diff.​

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[DemonicAvenger]

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[MuerteMiAmigo]

i think it could go either way i really dont know. im prob leaning more towards naruto

 

[Draphsin]

The thing is.. going off the anime which gives a way better representation. Time lapsed in the real world it's just Yamato was injured, Sai was owned, and Sakura was being Sakura. I get what you saying real time stops and subconsciously dialoge continues.

Yeah the anime may make look more accurate but on the other hand its not canon, so you could interpret it that way but I simply dont look towards the anime for facts.

Another point to bring in mind is EVEN if Tsukyomi pulls nine tails and naruto in. Naruto will be bounded still and Itachi using his MS could suppress the nine tails as the MANGA stated and shown feats

Yes the manga has shown sasuke being able to supress kurama's chakra. But that was when he was still sealed inside of naruto & their chakra wasnt linked like it is now. I doubt that Itachi would be able to suppress the entire kyuubi instead of a little leak like sasuke did.

However I will not deny that it may be possible.

So in the end even if you are right Manga states MS users can control the nine tails so Naruto would be tortured and Kyuubi would be bounded as well.

The question then remains, can Itachi control kurama while keeping naruto under tsukuyomi? To me it sounds farfetched, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Naruto low-mid diff, Chou Oodama Rasenshuriken gg.

 

[Mellanoma]

Yeah the anime may make look more accurate but on the other hand its not canon, so you could interpret it that way but I simply dont look towards the anime for facts.



Yes the manga has shown sasuke being able to supress kurama's chakra. But that was when he was still sealed inside of naruto & their chakra wasnt linked like it is now. I doubt that Itachi would be able to suppress the entire kyuubi instead of a little leak like sasuke did.

However I will not deny that it may be possible.



The question then remains, can Itachi control kurama while keeping naruto under tsukuyomi? To me it sounds farfetched, but that's just my opinion.

Well in KCM: Naruto isn't controlling full Kurama. He is simply pulling out more chakra from him. As far as Tsukyomi is concerned i'd imagine it would go like the Sasuke, Naruto and Kurama situation was.

Itachi would have Naruto bounded while Kurama is present within the subconcsious. Since it is KCM the nine tails would still be locked in the cage while naruto is bounded outside of the cage. I'd imagine Itachi (while being in Naruto subconscious) would be able to suppress the Nine tails seeing as 3t Sharingan Obito and Sasuke were able to do it. It is all speculation but realistically it would not take Itachi 3 days kill naruto or anyone for that matter. He just tortured kakashi for the sake of doing it. I'd imagine if Itachi wanted you dead in tsukyomi he could do it rather quickly.

Another thing to pounder is what if Itachi is actually pulling people into his own subconscious rather than going into theres? If this is the case Kurama could not be involved. It seems more plausible since he has complete control much like Obito will have control over everyone.

 

[Draphsin]

Well in KCM: Naruto isn't controlling full Kurama. He is simply pulling out more chakra from him. As far as Tsukyomi is concerned i'd imagine it would go like the Sasuke, Naruto and Kurama situation was.

Itachi would have Naruto bounded while Kurama is present within the subconcsious. Since it is KCM the nine tails would still be locked in the cage while naruto is bounded outside of the cage. I'd imagine Itachi (while being in Naruto subconscious) would be able to suppress the Nine tails seeing as 3t Sharingan Obito and Sasuke were able to do it. It is all speculation but realistically it would not take Itachi 3 days kill naruto or anyone for that matter. He just tortured kakashi for the sake of doing it. I'd imagine if Itachi wanted you dead in tsukyomi he could do it rather quickly.

I get what you're saying. I was referring to current KCM naruto though, so the cage would be unlocked.

Although I agree, if kurama was locked then yes itachi would most likely be able to suppress him.

Another thing to pounder is what if Itachi is actually pulling people into his own subconscious rather than going into theres? If this is the case Kurama could not be involved. It seems more plausible since he has complete control much like Obito will have control over everyone.

That's actually interesting, it could be possible however genjutsu is the result of someone implanting their chakra into the brain of the enemy. It would be more plausible to assume that Itachi would be entering their mind instead of vice versa, but yes that's an interesting thought nonetheless.

 

[Mellanoma]

I get what you're saying. I was referring to current KCM naruto though, so the cage would be unlocked.

Although I agree, if kurama was locked then yes itachi would most likely be able to suppress him.



That's actually interesting, it could be possible however genjutsu is the result of someone implanting their chakra into the brain of the enemy. It would be more plausible to assume that Itachi would be entering their mind instead of vice versa, but yes that's an interesting thought nonetheless.

Ah, ok it all makes sense then. Yeah KCM Naruto with the cage unlocked would more than likely be a 2v1 in tsukyomi but I always figured Naruto and Kurama were immune UNLESS they both get caught in a genjutsu simultaneously which seems impossible.

Sad thing is I don't think Kishi put much thought into tsukyomi as much as we do so we would never know lol.

Another thing is Genjutsu mechanics seem broken or down right messed up so it is hard to tell how Tsukyomi actually works

 

[pateuvasiliu]

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SM Naruto is an even matchup for Itachi.

 

[Draphsin]

Ah, ok it all makes sense then. Yeah KCM Naruto with the cage unlocked would more than likely be a 2v1 in tsukyomi but I always figured Naruto and Kurama were immune UNLESS they both get caught in a genjutsu simultaneously which seems impossible.

Sad thing is I don't think Kishi put much thought into tsukyomi as much as we do so we would never know lol.

Another thing is Genjutsu mechanics seem broken or down right messed up so it is hard to tell how Tsukyomi actually works

@Bold: Lol Completely agree..

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi low mid diff , naruto is too dumb to fight someone like Itachi......