KCM Naruto vs Itachi

[xcoyote]

Restrictions:none
Intel:Manga
Location:Kimmi vs Gaara/Lee
Mindset:IC
Distance:20m
Intent:To kill

Go!

 

[Europa]

Tsukuyomi ends it.

 

[Prince Charles]

I would go with Kcm naruto due to his overwhelming power via clones and and speed.

 

[Mellanoma]

I would go with Kcm naruto due to his overwhelming power via clones and and speed.

Naruto is not very smart when it comes to remembering as noted when he fought Nagato. So he would be very absent minded vs Itachi variety of 1 shot moves.

Yeah Naruto sheer power is quite an impressive feat. Against a tactician of Itahci caliber he would definitely lose.

 

[Draphsin]

Naruto wins due to mini bijuudama clone spam.

Tsukuyomi is useless, perfect jinchuuriki.

& Naruto simply has more chakra.

 

[Mellanoma]

Naruto wins due to mini bijuudama clone spam.

Tsukuyomi is useless, perfect jinchuuriki.

& Naruto simply has more chakra.

@bold Tsukyomi in an instant = 3 days
Bee was put under normal sharingan genjutsu for a moment and it was long enough for him to almost be killed by Shuriken.

Tsukuyomi in an instant is 3 days of mental destruction. Nine tails can't break him out instantly

also going by more chakra most people should not have victories lol

 

[Exaar]

Naruto stomps.

Kcm clones alone would do the job, They aren't affected by genjutsu and his clones have far more chakra than itachi does. Easily outlast him.

 

[Mellanoma]

If KCM Clones were restricted: Id say Itachi low difficulty. Naruto absent mindedness would do him in against Itachi 1 shot abilities

KCM Clones not restricted: Naruto Very High Difficulty. Id imagine it being a fight of Yata and Totsuka vs KCM clone barrage of attacks until 1 of them lose which since Naruto basically has limitless chakra thanks to nine tails he would win eventually

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto wins mid diff at best.

 

[Draphsin]

@bold Tsukyomi in an instant = 3 days

In the real world, where is kurama? in naruto's subconscious.

Bee was put under normal sharingan genjutsu for a moment and it was long enough for him to almost be killed by Shuriken.

Because he didnt expect it, naruto knows of Itachi's tsukuyomi & with his new found speed countering a glance with kage bunshins is child's play

Tsukuyomi in an instant is 3 days of mental destruction. Nine tails can't break him out instantly

An instant in the real world is 3 days in the tsukuyomi world. Kurama does not reside in the real world, he resides within naruto. Kurama will notice the disruption from within naruto's mind/body/whatever.

also going by more chakra most people should not have victories lol

In naruto's case his chakra is enough to put him over many ninja.

Constant barrages with kage bunshins will force Itachi to use susanoo due to their speed. Then Itachi will fall due to exhaustion.

 

[Mellanoma]

In the real world, where is kurama? in naruto's subconscious.



Because he didnt expect it, naruto knows of Itachi's tsukuyomi & with his new found speed countering a glance with kage bunshins is child's play



An instant in the real world is 3 days in the tsukuyomi world. Kurama does not reside in the real world, he resides within naruto. Kurama will notice the disruption from within naruto's mind/body/whatever.



In naruto's case his chakra is enough to put him over many ninja.

Constant barrages with kage bunshins will force Itachi to use susanoo due to their speed. Then Itachi will fall due to exhaustion.

first off I already said Itachi would lose due to KCM OP Clones...

Anyways Going off Manga and not my own speculations or assumptions: Tailed beast have a delay between themselves and there host conscience. Nine tails and Naruto are two seperate consciences trapped in 1 body. They both have there own seperateminds which is why Tsukyomi would work.

MANGA PROOF - Perfect EXAMPLE: Bee and Eight Tails... Bee Mind was attacked and it took Eight tails a moment to realize what was going on.


Tsukyomi is instant for Naruto's Mind and Not the Nine tails mind. Thus Naruto would be tortured. Nine tails can not react Instantly since nothing acts instantly. If Nine tails could act instantly as you are probably going to argue. Why does Naruto still avoid eye contact during there fight after knowing perfect jins are immune to genjutsu

However:

BM mode however is a consisent flow of chakra and energy between him and Kurama so maybe he will be immune to tsukyomi in that form but KCM(Which locked away kurama s and took only his chakra) would make naruto vulnerable to Tsukyomi

 

[Ahmed1993]

Naruto wins due to mini bijuudama clone spam.

Tsukuyomi is useless, perfect jinchuuriki.

& Naruto simply has more chakra.

Tsukuyomi takes 1 second in the real world , and plus KCM Naruto that fought Edo Itachi isn't a Perfect Jin.

 

[Draphsin]

first off I already said Itachi would lose due to KCM OP Clones...

When did I argue that? This is about countering tsukuyomi, no?

Anyways Going off Manga and not my own speculations or assumptions: Tailed beast(Bee and 8 tail) has a delay. Nine tails and Naruto are two seperate consciences trapped in 1 body. They both have there own minds which is why Tsukyomi would work.

& going off manga, kurama does not reside in the real world, he occupies naruto's mind. Therefore if naruto's mind is disturbed then kurama can dispel it instantly.

Perfect EXAMPLE: Bee and Eight Tails... Bee Mind was attacked and it took Eight tails a moment to realize what was going on.

Because they were not prepared for genjutsu. Bee got hit & gyuki broke him out.

I think you're misunderstanding, tsukuyomi is instant in the real world, but if kurama breaks naruto free in his mind then that's not the real world anymore, its within naruto's subconscious so it would dispel tsukuyomi similar to how sasuke dispelled it against Itachi.

Tsukyomi is instant for Naruto's Mind and Not the Nine tails mind. Thus Naruto would be tortured. Nine tails can not react Instantly since nothing acts instantly. If Nine tails could act instantly as you are probably going to argue then Infinite Tsukyomi should not work right?

They both occupy his mind, naruto may be the one to get hit but kurama still resides within his mind. Kurama can break naruto free because time in his mind goes by just as fast as it would in the tsukuyomi world. Time does not change inside of naruto, it changes in the outside world, kurama does not live there.

Infinite tsukuyomi most likely traps the bijuu in a genjutsu too. Because by your logic kurama could still break naruto free.

Tsukuyomi takes 1 second in the real world , and plus KCM Naruto isn't a Perfect Jin.

Keyword being "real" world. Kurama is within naruto's mind so why should he be affected by time on the outside?

 

[Ahmed1993]

When did I argue that? This is about countering tsukuyomi, no?



& going off manga, kurama does not reside in the real world, he occupies naruto's mind. Therefore if naruto's mind is disturbed then kurama can dispel it instantly.



Because they were not prepared for genjutsu. Bee got hit & gyuki broke him out.

I think you're misunderstanding, tsukuyomi is instant in the real world, but if kurama breaks naruto free in his mind then that's not the real world anymore, its within naruto's subconscious so it would dispel tsukuyomi similar to how sasuke dispelled it against Itachi.



They both occupy his mind, naruto may be the one to get hit but kurama still resides within his mind. Kurama can break naruto free because time in his mind goes by just as fast as it would in the tsukuyomi world. Time does not change inside of naruto, it changes in the outside world, kurama does not live there.

Infinite tsukuyomi most likely traps the bijuu in a genjutsu too. Because by your logic kurama could still break naruto free.



Keyword being "real" world. Kurama is within naruto's mind so why should he be affected by time on the outside?

First KCM Naruto that fought Edo Itachi ISN'T a Perfect Jin.
Second , The Bijuu takes time to free the host from a Genjutsu as seen with Bee and Hachibi against a normal Genjutsu from Itachi.
With Tsukuyomi , by the time the Bijuu frees his host , the host will be mindf*cked

 

[Mellanoma]

When did I argue that? This is about countering tsukuyomi, no?



& going off manga, kurama does not reside in the real world, he occupies naruto's mind. Therefore if naruto's mind is disturbed then kurama can dispel it instantly.



Because they were not prepared for genjutsu. Bee got hit & gyuki broke him out.

I think you're misunderstanding, tsukuyomi is instant in the real world, but if kurama breaks naruto free in his mind then that's not the real world anymore, its within naruto's subconscious so it would dispel tsukuyomi similar to how sasuke dispelled it against Itachi.



They both occupy his mind, naruto may be the one to get hit but kurama still resides within his mind. Kurama can break naruto free because time in his mind goes by just as fast as it would in the tsukuyomi world. Time does not change inside of naruto, it changes in the outside world, kurama does not live there.

Infinite tsukuyomi most likely traps the bijuu in a genjutsu too. Because by your logic kurama could still break naruto free.



Keyword being "real" world. Kurama is within naruto's mind so why should he be affected by time on the outside?

Look Drapshin... IF they share the same mind then both will be affected by genjutsu right and thus they couldn't break out right? No one prepares for Genjutsu attack since it is a disruption of chakra. Tsukyomi is Instant and Manga clearly shows Eight tails reaction was seconds in the real world meaning it works how the manga says it works and not how you are trying to portray it

 

[Bronze]

Narudo wins neg diff. featless Yata and Totsuka get smashed by normal rasengan.

 

[Optimistic]

stomp thread.KM beats his weak ass.

 

[Draphsin]

Look Drapshin... IF they share the same mind then both will be affected by genjutsu right and thus they couldn't break out right?

They dont have the same mind, kurama occupies naruto's mind. They "share" it because that's where kurama lives, like a roommate.

Kurama has his own mind, nobody resides within his mind. But he lives in naruto's mind, I guess I shouldnt say thay share a mind but rather kurama just occupies it.

No one prepares for Genjutsu attack since it is a disruption of chakra.

Yes, if kurama is prepared for naruto to get hit by a genjutsu then he can react more quickly. Kurama would feel the disruption & he can react near instantly, well faster than gyuki could because gyuki wasnt expecting it.

Tsukyomi is Instant and Manga clearly shows Eight tails reaction was seconds in the real world meaning it works how the manga says it works and not how you are trying to portray it

It took time because gyuki wasnt expecting it. When he noticed it he was able to break bee free instantly.

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Scan 1 - sasuke first entering naruto's subconscious, naruto is barely starting to get up.

Scan 2 - After their extremely long conversation (ch. 308-9) Sasuke is standing in the exact same position along with naruto still getting up.

Scan 3- Yamato using a jutsu, now if time didnt just stop for them during that moment then why would yamato wait for sasuke to finish what he was doing before attacking, makes no sense, especially from a writer's standpoint.

Basically from these 3 scans it is apparent that naruto's mind does not follow the same timeframe that the real world follows. What you proved is that sensing works the same way for bijuu/jinchuuriki, however I proved that time does not.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Naruto mid diff at best.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Naruto wins this with low difficulty. None of Itachi's techniques would work against him.