@Solorflare99/Exaar: No point arguing further since you're just arguing against manga here. Itachi proved he is the better ninja in CQC and has what it takes to beat him in this match as proven here multiple times.
Quote me when you have something that is backed up by manga and doesn't go against it.
@Solorflare99/Exaar: No point arguing further since you're just arguing against manga here. Itachi proved he is the better ninja in CQC and has what it takes to beat him in this match as proven here multiple times.
Quote me when you have something that is backed up by manga and doesn't go against it.
We are both using the manga buddy. We have two different interpretation of what happened, and I'm arguing that your interpretation is wrong. Now jimmies are rustled because you can't come up with a counter argument. PatheticU_U. You have been better off not even replying to my post, you'd have even more dignity then with this sad excuse for an response.
Yeah, just look at the statement where it states pressure points and not the 8 Gates. 2 very different things and Madara was judging from the pressure point alone...Not sure why he'll mistake 2 very clear things.
Yeah, just look at the statement where it states pressure points and not the 8 Gates. 2 very different things and Madara was judging from the pressure point alone...Not sure why he'll mistake 2 very clear things.
Because it is obvious that of what he did. He doesn't have to see every detail to know what is occurring. Someone with byukyugan can see a jinchuriki getting chakra from bijuu the moment it happens, but even if you don't have byakugan you can know it happen by seeing the chakra aura expel from the jinchuriki's body. Byuakugan gives better insight, but general knowledge can still be assumed. Just because Madara can't see the pressure point doesn't mean he isn't aware of it's existence.
Itachi can pull a win against Nagato fight Naruto. He doesn't beat anything post Kurama cooperation unless clones are restricted for him, or unless Yata can really repel all of Naruto's attacks.
- Amaterasu gets evaded considering Naruto's speed...Especially when Ay did so.
- Genjutsu? No. On his clones? No as well...Genjutsu is completely useless against a Jin and clones.
- Naruto can produce multiple Kage level clones that can distract Itachi...Add that with the fact that he can use FCD while Itachi is distracted.
- Ma and Pa can be summoned and they can prepare their Genjutsu while Itachi is distracted...They can even use Frog Song which can paralyze Itachi leaving him open for attacks.
Naruto isn't much faster than Ei so that an irrelevant point plus if there in the heat of the battle he's never dodging Amaterasu but Amaterasu is nearly useless here anyway due to the cloak but ill shall move on. Itachi can use clones as well and since he's Edo this won't be a problem for him if he spams them and use Amaterasu on the clones trying to use FRS. Genjutsu does work on clones it's just not very being a Perfect jinchuriki won't protect him from Tsukuyomi. Ma and Pa gets taken out via genjutsu. Sound genjutsu isn't anything when Sasuke and Itachi was shown to still use there Dojutsu abilities.
- Multiple FRS would destroy Susanoo...Meaning Itachi dies shortly.
The Smoke bombs can also play a big factor. The Rinnegan failed to see through Naruto's smoke bombs...I don't believe the Sharingan can see through it because the Rinnegan showed the ability to see through Gai's pressure points like Madara said
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and Kakashi with the Sharingan said he couldn't see the pressure points
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. If The Sharingan had better insight, it should be able to see that leading me to believe it won't see through smoke bombs since the Rinnegan didn't.
With that being possible, Naruto can use smoke bombs to his advantage possibly using chakra arms from underneath Susanoo and can even throw attacks he can't see.
Multiple FRS aren't landing when clones can use Amaterasu to take them out before they can even be thrown. Sharingan can see threw walls smoke bombs are irrelevant. Itachi can see chakra so let's say the smoke bomb couldn't be seen through he'll notice the chakra coming under him. He uses a clone while inside the susanoo to prevent the chakra arm from attacking him.
Naruto wins with Low - Mid Diff (Assuming this is EOS naruto simply restricting himself to KCM)
* Clones overwhelm
* Sensing
* Superior strength
* Superior Speed
* Superior Stamina
* Access to Ma and Pa ( And other toads)
* Can use Sage Mode Clones
* Amaterasu is ineffective
* Genjutsu is ineffective
Exactly! Max speed thus he couldn't change his trajectory. Saying he is going max speed doesn't indicate in anyway he couldn't react to Naruto. I'm not saying Naruto didn't move faster, so that is irrelevant. I'm saying that nothing indicates A could not react. It did not show an exclamation part because it skipped the part of Naruto moving out of the way, for Dramatic Effect.
Itachi didn't put KCM Naruto under Genjutsu=he can't? lmfao. And he's not a PJ, because OP stipulated that he isn't since this is KCM Naruto that fought Nagato (based on conditions). Also, his initial reply to my Genjutsu argument makes it clear that he isn't PJ.
The OP says the location they met is the same, & the distance they met is the same. Nowhere does the OP say these characters are the same as when the encountered each other.
Also from BAC's reply "Come on cheif.... You really think Itachi is landing Tsukuyomi on someone with all these things?"
Beans didn't mention any genjutsu other Tsukuyomi. Which is really the only threatening one as Itachi has full control over time & space in that realm. & He mentally tortured Kakashi for 3 days. When only 1 second passed in real time. THAT would still wreck a PJ.
Clearly is based on initial reply. And Naruto doesn't control the KA, so the Genjutsu only tells him to protect Konoha. Doesn't change anything here, nor is it part of the debate since it'd be considered 'prep' like Konan's 10 million paper bombs would be 'prep'.
Bro you literally said on the second page "the context in which OP stipulated, he wanted everything to be the same it was at the Nagato vs Bee/Itachi/Naruto occasion. Except it'd be Naruto vs Itachi instead of Nagato." Thus he gets One shot.
Sasuke would have noticed it and wouldn't have been as surprised to see Itachi alive.
Probably right here, but it's still PIS though since he never replicated any feats like this again.
So exclamation marks=blitz? That's news to me. Ay dodged it because of his reaction speed. Naruto having greater movement speed and lesser reaction speed does not compensate for it. So again, stop denying manga fact, Naruto outright claimed he'd not be capable of dodging it [
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]. Manga>anything you say. Show me Naruto using smoke bombs ever. And if it was IC for him to use it against Ama then he would've when he was in that situation, yet he didn't. So stop mentioning it.
. But if your going to play that card than sure go ahead. Here's Naruto
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as you requested
All his clones can't keep dodging it with Shunshin, because if he has 10 clones and 10 clones use shunshin every time he swings his Totsuka then Naruto is going to have chakra problems based on the amount of chakra it takes, and the limited amount of Kyuubi chakra Naruto possesses while not a PJ.
You still haven't even shown me how Totsuka is hitting any of these Naruto's. It "magically extending" & "Itachi continuously thrusting & swinging" isn't good enough when your bringing no scans. Smh
Ok I misunderstood. Don't see how that changes anything though. Itachi still makes Gamakichi his pet and Naruto won't realise it while Gamakichi swings his sword at Naruto.
How is he making it his pet if you said Itachi burns him with Ama? If you want him controlled now. Gamakichi just gets FRS'd. It put down half kurama. It'd murder a boss toad.
How does that change the fact that the crows will always be flocking the area? Naruto has to look somewhere, and that alone means the crow can get to the location he's looking at and cast the Genjutsu. There's literally no running away from it. He also has to look at Itachi, and given he's been caught 3 times in Genjutsu, and ALL 3 times having had intel on Genjutsu, he's clearly being caught again. Sasuke was caught like 5 times and he's 10 times as intelligent as Naruto and also has a Sharingan. Stop trying to act like the Kyuubi chakra makes him immune to Genjutsu, because all it does is give him a boost to all his physical stats and ninjutsu, like Senjutsu would. It does not make him any less vulnerable to Genjutsu at all.
SM Naruto can fight with his eyes closed, but that's besides the point here. Also 10 times is a clear exaggeration. & EMS Sasuke was only put under Itachi's genjutsu twice willingly. (During Kabuto fight & post Kabuto fight)
& If the flock of Crows were to fly @ Naruto & co. Him & his clones could just
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I don't, I'm just trying to convey that his intelligence is the reason he's either immune or prone to Genjutsu. His power is irrelevant to it.
It does, but as fast as v1 Ay? Not a chance man.
Obviously, they are getting boosted by the most powerful chakra.
By your logic, if I boost Konohamaru with Kyuubi chakra he'll become as fast as v1 Ay. Or if I give part 1 Naruto SM he'll somehow become as fast as v1 Ay merely due to the fact that power-ups increase speed. False analogy, nothing quantifies SM Naruto at anywhere close to v1 Ay. Only because he can react doesn't mean he's as fast. Dodai reacted with his rubber ball, doesn't mean he's going to be moving as fast as v1 Ay anytime soon.
We are both using the manga buddy. We have two different interpretation of what happened, and I'm arguing that your interpretation is wrong. Now jimmies are rustled because you can't come up with a counter argument. PatheticU_U. You have been better off not even replying to my post, you'd have even more dignity then with this sad excuse for an response.
It's not different interpretation, it's a canon fact Itachi displayed better CQC feats than both Naruto and B. Your statement of him being pressured by B even though he dodged all his attacks before that makes no sense. But then again, why am I arguing canon material? It happened. Try to come up with something else here.
