KCM Naruto vs DSM Kabuto

[Omar19992010]

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Conditions
DSM Kabuto vs Teen KCM Naruto. Naruto is on good terms with Kurama.

Location
Destroyed Konoha

Intel
Full Intel

Restrictions
Edo Tensei

Mindset
Bloodlusted

Scenario II
Location shifts to Kabuto's Cave​

 

[Kagustuchi]

Naruto Mid-Diffs him

 

[Blunt]

Naruto w/ mid difficulty. That is being quite generous, this location isn't helping Kabuto any either.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabuto wins high diff.

-Manda 2 clears off field of overwhelming blitzing clones (since they go poof in 1 hit, and Manda 2 hit box would be as much as Juubi Tail)

-Field of bones would also be dangerous for Naruto, considering recent feat shows KCM is not good with piercing damage.

-Kabuto perception/reaction eventually adapts to Naruto speed, then CQC becomes too dangerous for Naruto:

1. Kabuto chakra scapel w/ increase taijutsu, due to SM. Gets internal damage, and dies. Plus...
2. Kabuto's D'N'A puts more pressure on him and Naruto has to multitask here. Dealing with:
2a.) Kimmimaro's unorthodox dances
2b.) Orochimaru's Five Prolong Seal
2c.) Sakon's Parasite transfer.


- If ever encounter FRS, he can liquify his insides, so it will cut right pass him, instead of getting the same treatment as Raikage. And if it ever explodes on him, Kidomaru's Gold armor says it blocks all chakra, so the it reduces the attack power, which Kabuto recovers with ease after.

 

[Gold Lightning]

considering recent feat shows KCM is not good with piercing damage.

Oooh he went there

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oooh he went there

Im not lying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Gold Lightning]

Im not lying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MS enhanced blades/teleporting it directly into Narutos stomach :bdpf:

 

[Brother Numpsay]

MS enhanced blades/teleporting it directly into Narutos stomach :bdpf:

I guess I still use this argument since Kimmi's bones is as enhanced, if anything :bdpf:

 

[madaratheking]

Naruto shatters kabuto.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto wins mid diff.

 

[Char Aznable]

DSM Kabuto takes this.

His sage mode is too strong for Naruto.

 

[Thesaurus]

No cave no win.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I dont know why people underestimate Kabuto outside. Like literally, only White Rage is effective in the cave. Everything else works much better outside.

 

[Thesaurus]

I dont know why people underestimate Kabuto outside. Like literally, only White Rage is effective in the cave. Everything else works much better outside.

Muki Tensei is much more effective in a closed location. Same with Sound Genjutsu, Kidomaru's webs and Kimimaro's bones.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Muki Tensei is much more effective in a closed location. Same with Sound Genjutsu, Kidomaru's webs and Kimimaro's bones.

it's actually the other way around for all 4 of those techniques.

 

[Thesaurus]

it's actually the other way around for all 4 of those techniques.

Explain how that makes any sense. Muki Tensei is much harder to escape when your movements aren't as free as they would be outside. Sound Genjutsu is much more difficult to avoid indoors as there's a smaller distance to cover. Kidomaru's webs can completely shut off a path for you. From the top to the bottom of the cave, the web could become an impassable terrain. Outside that's clearly never the case, trees can be broken, and webs can't be attached to clouds. Kimi's bones are nice on both terrains, but in my personal opinion much harder to escape inside then outside, given you could crush any enemy and disallow them from flying or jumping (think Gaara flight/Ay level jump).

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Muki Tensei is much more effective in a closed location.

Nope. Only useful for clearing out clones, by crushing them. Manda 2 makes up for that now.

What factors it has outside now is reshaping the terrains for Kabuto's liking and messing with opponents footing.

Sound Genjutsu is much more difficult to avoid indoors as there's a smaller distance to cover.

Distance is irrelevant, everything has shown this base on counters in part 1 and Shikumaru's explanation/concerns of its priorities.

Kidomaru's webs can completely shut off a path for you. From the top to the bottom of the cave, the web could become an impassable terrain. Outside that's clearly never the case, trees can be broken, and webs can't be attached to clouds.

All of that is not important when Muki Tensei alters terrains and Jirobo's Doton walls. So its as effective as being in the cave.

Kimi's bones are nice on both terrains, but in my personal opinion much harder to escape inside then outside, given you could crush any enemy and disallow them from flying or jumping (think Gaara flight/Ay level jump).

No point mentioning this since you agree its as effective outside. Plus Naruto still needs to land, while Kabuto gets field advantage.

 

[Thesaurus]

Nope. Only useful for clearing out clones, by crushing them. Manda 2 makes up for that now.

Not a valid argument. It stills works better inside the cave. Manda is completely irrelevant to the jutsu itself, he's beside the point.

What factors it has outside now is reshaping the terrains for Kabuto's liking and messing with opponents footing.

It's not going to affect KCM's footing if he chooses to put chakra beneath his feet. Especially when Kabuto needs to put his hands on the floor to initiate the jutsu. So it's extremely easy to anticipate outside. Within the cave you don't know if you're going to be attacked from the bottom, the side or the ceiling.

Distance is irrelevant, everything has shown this base on counters in part 1 and Shikumaru's explanation/concerns of its priorities.

It was countered by wind. Naruto's FRS would easily do this again 100 times over. At least in an inside location Naruto's FRS is a much riskier factor. Outside Naruto could resist it for much longer given the location. Altough when I mentioned this I assumed you meant Sound Genjutsu in general, rather than in this particular match-up.

All of that is not important when Muki Tensei alters terrains and Jirobo's Doton walls. So its as effective as being in the cave.

Good for him, Naruto can smash through any outside terrain Kabuto attempts to create with his chakra hands or jutsu. In a cave such a thing is clearly not possible. Jirobo's doton walls are not big enough to create a new location, nor are they resilient enough.

No point mentioning this since you agree its as effective outside. Plus Naruto still needs to land, while Kabuto gets field advantage.

True, but as I said I assumed you meant in general rather than the specific match. However, in this particular match-up, Naruto still has intel of Kimi's bones and could shunshin a far greater distance away then he could in a cave. He could summon Bunta and have him jump extremely high and then release Bunta. In the cave such a thing is not possible as your movement is limited by the boundaries present.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not a valid argument. It stills works better inside the cave. Manda is completely irrelevant to the jutsu itself, he's beside the point.

Ight.

It's not going to affect KCM's footing if he chooses to put chakra beneath his feet. Especially when Kabuto needs to put his hands on the floor to initiate the jutsu. So it's extremely easy to anticipate outside. Within the cave you don't know if you're going to be attacked from the bottom, the side or the ceiling.

Uchiha's put chakra beneath their feet too. They still weren't capable to use fluent movement during the dramatic altercation. Kabuto does not need to put his hands on the floor. It only looks like it implied he did only because he made the ceiling attack Itachi. But activate the jutsu, didn't have to.

Im not arguing Muki Tensei is as good offensively here. Im arguing defensively which the point = "factor"

It was countered by wind. Naruto's FRS would easily do this again 100 times over. At least in an inside location Naruto's FRS is a much riskier factor. Outside Naruto could resist it for much longer given the location. Altough when I mentioned this I assumed you meant Sound Genjutsu in general, rather than in this particular match-up.

Nope. Temari's Futton priories dont share Naruto's (which focuses on cutting not blowing). Yes this is in general statement, not match up factor.

Good for him, Naruto can smash through any outside terrain Kabuto attempts to create with his chakra hands or jutsu. In a cave such a thing is clearly not possible. Jirobo's doton walls are not big enough to create a new location, nor are they resilient enough.

Why is not possible to get rid of webs the same way in the cave? btw infused chakra (Doton)>regular earth.

True, but as I said I assumed you meant in general rather than the specific match. However, in this particular match-up, Naruto still has intel of Kimi's bones and could shunshin a far greater distance away then he could in a cave. He could summon Bunta and have him jump extremely high and then release Bunta. In the cave such a thing is not possible as your movement is limited by the boundaries present.

Bone forest would most likely land a direct hit inside then outside, sure Ill give you that. It doesn't change the KKG factoring the match up all together.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Explain how that makes any sense. Muki Tensei is much harder to escape when your movements aren't as free as they would be outside. Sound Genjutsu is much more difficult to avoid indoors as there's a smaller distance to cover. Kidomaru's webs can completely shut off a path for you. From the top to the bottom of the cave, the web could become an impassable terrain. Outside that's clearly never the case, trees can be broken, and webs can't be attached to clouds. Kimi's bones are nice on both terrains, but in my personal opinion much harder to escape inside then outside, given you could crush any enemy and disallow them from flying or jumping (think Gaara flight/Ay level jump).

Look at shikamaru vs Tayuya for sound Gen. It was made evidently clear distance and location isn't a factor and the only way to stop it is to manipulate the medium it travels through. Real world fax would be hearing an echo from from a mountains distance away. Since the sound waves aren't absorbed by walls and ceilings it travels much farther and won't be distorted.

Kidomaru's webs is just as effective inside as outside, long as he has something to connect it on he'll be fine, which can easily be done through other techniques(Muki tensai, kimmi bones) or the destroyed buildings.

Naruto dosen't have flight and the bones themselves is just another way kabuto manipulates the terrain.