KCM Naruto vs 1MS Obito

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Pretty sure 1 ms obito was for the most part holding his own against kakashi, guy, Bee and Naruto at the same damn time. He stopped using rinne after the beasts got resealed.
 

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So we just gonna pretend that it didn't take kakashis kamui, plus Gai, bee and KCM Narutos combined efforts to land a single touch last time? What changed? I remember when Obito teleported directly above KCM Naruto and almost one shotted him, if not for Kakashis warning. Or when Obito intercepted Sasuke from getting Jinton blitzed. Or here : Obito causally teleporting point blank from KCM Narutos running strike. He's even easily reacted to theraikage, nothing speed related is gonna trouble Obito here. And clones are just a waste of time, there's a reason Naruto never made more then 1 clone while directly engaging Obito.

Obito wins fairly easily.
 

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What is slow about KCM Naruto's striking speed?

, mainly. Naruto attempted to strike obito & obito had the speed to teleport away before he could land his attack. Yes he may have used chakra arms but he swung them meaning he used his striking speed, therefore it isn't fast enough.

Then we have obito KCM naruto + clone in cqc, killing one then outright going for naruto in the midst of an attack only to be intercepted by gai in the end.

We even have a saying that naruto can't hit him, even if he never used shunshin during their exchange that doesn't change the fact that naruto said he can't land an attack.

It's faster than Minato's striking speed yet Obito was unable to react to him even though he was looking at Minato until the moment Minato got him.

Minato's incredible movement speed via FTG + his amazing reaction speed compensates for his lack of striking speed. He danced around ay & would've landed an attack on him in V2 if not for bee. Take away FTG & he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Minato was able to move instantly, if not for that he wouldn't have been able to hit obito before he reactivated his intangibility.

Naruto can replicate when Obito materializes to warp a clone he gets behind Obito with shunshin and lands a hit on him since Obito has his focus on the clone.

But that clone gets slipped through & killed just like in canon.

Naruto can also increase his striking speed by using chakra arms to quickly close the reamining distance like he did against Muu.

As I said, obito has naruto's chakra arms from point blank & w/o intangibility, they aren't going to be a problem here.

Obito using teleportation for suprise attacks is useless because multiple sets of eyes alon with negative emotions sensing would detect him quickly.

He doesn't need to teleport behind naruto, in this case it wouldn't even work as you said but a frontal attack would. He can hold his own against these clones just fine in cqc as long as he has some sort of weapon to kill them w/.

Naruto's shunshin is on par with V2 Ay's, who could not be tracked by MS in canon.

This doesn't mean anything though, intangibility is still faster & naruto still has to strike obito which can be tracked by the MS.

While Obito is focused on making contact with the clone to warp it, Naruto will shunshin behind Obito who can't react to Naruto's attack when he's warping the clone.

- Obito isn't going to be warping any clones when he can deal w/ them just fine w/o resorting to that, the warp will be saved for the original. & Once he deals w/ the clones he can pressure naruto like so he doesn't have another chance to make more.

- Obito can do what he did in canon to fuu & torune, & he can simply to of warping clones away then when naruto comes in for the blitz he won't really be tangible. Naruto will just slip through him & obito can kill the clone or warp him away if it's the original, he can even have the clones hit themselves if they try to attack all at once.

Even if Obito warps several clones, that just leaves him vulnerable to them attacking his body from the other dimension with chakra arms when they materialize.

Like I said he doesn't even need to warp them away, obito > KCM naruto in cqc.

If Naruto combines a chakra arm with his striking speed and top shunshin while Obito is distracted by a clone then he could land a hit.

Naruto combined his chakra arms w/ his striking speed in my above example, obito had the speed to teleport away from it. SM minato by JJ madara during a frontal assault, that same striking speed obito at point blank range. There's no chance that naruto is going to land a hit on obito considering he won't be warping the clones away in the first place [which would give him more problems than anything].

KCSM means Naruto can combine his senjutsu chakra with his Kyubi chakra. I don't think that means Naruto can't use Sage mode in KCM as long as he's not fusing those types of chakra to enhance his jutsu.

Yeah I'm not arguing the fact that he can't. He probably can, he just never used it in canon [pre-rikudou buff, I know about The Last] so I didn't expect it to be an ability he has access to in this thread since you said KCM naruto.

Giant shurikens can just be intercepted with chakra arms like Naruto did against the boulder Nagato tried to crush him with. And a gunbai is a superior weapon to those...

The shuriken can't be intercepted in cqc seeing as naruto had plenty of opportunities to do so but couldn't manage it. & The gunbai is a superior weapon yes but only due to it's range & ability to retract. The range isn't detrimental to his ability & the retraction can be compensated since obito has so many of them.

can also be used to compensate for lack of range but they're probably slow, although obito have feats so that may not be as big of a problem.

KCM Naruto wasn't using shunshin against Obito though or use more than two clones.

True, but he did fight obito in cqc & lost multiple times. More clones doesn't change the fact that oibito can best them [it's the situation all over again]. & Naruto's fast shunshin doesn't change the fact that he can't bypass intangibility w/ his striking speed when he reaches him.
 

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, mainly. Naruto attempted to strike obito & obito had the speed to teleport away before he could land his attack. Yes he may have used chakra arms but he swung them meaning he used his striking speed, therefore it isn't fast enough.

Then we have obito KCM naruto + clone in cqc, killing one then outright going for naruto in the midst of an attack only to be intercepted by gai in the end.

We even have a saying that naruto can't hit him, even if he never used shunshin during their exchange that doesn't change the fact that naruto said he can't land an attack.



Minato's incredible movement speed via FTG + his amazing reaction speed compensates for his lack of striking speed. He danced around ay & would've landed an attack on him in V2 if not for bee. Take away FTG & he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Minato was able to move instantly, if not for that he wouldn't have been able to hit obito before he reactivated his intangibility.



But that clone gets slipped through & killed just like in canon.



As I said, obito has naruto's chakra arms from point blank & w/o intangibility, they aren't going to be a problem here.



He doesn't need to teleport behind naruto, in this case it wouldn't even work as you said but a frontal attack would. He can hold his own against these clones just fine in cqc as long as he has some sort of weapon to kill them w/.



This doesn't mean anything though, intangibility is still faster & naruto still has to strike obito which can be tracked by the MS.



- Obito isn't going to be warping any clones when he can deal w/ them just fine w/o resorting to that, the warp will be saved for the original. & Once he deals w/ the clones he can pressure naruto like so he doesn't have another chance to make more.

- Obito can do what he did in canon to fuu & torune, & he can simply to of warping clones away then when naruto comes in for the blitz he won't really be tangible. Naruto will just slip through him & obito can kill the clone or warp him away if it's the original, he can even have the clones hit themselves if they try to attack all at once.



Like I said he doesn't even need to warp them away, obito > KCM naruto in cqc.



Naruto combined his chakra arms w/ his striking speed in my above example, obito had the speed to teleport away from it. SM minato by JJ madara during a frontal assault, that same striking speed obito at point blank range. There's no chance that naruto is going to land a hit on obito considering he won't be warping the clones away in the first place [which would give him more problems than anything].



Yeah I'm not arguing the fact that he can't. He probably can, he just never used it in canon [pre-rikudou buff, I know about The Last] so I didn't expect it to be an ability he has access to in this thread since you said KCM naruto.



The shuriken can't be intercepted in cqc seeing as naruto had plenty of opportunities to do so but couldn't manage it. & The gunbai is a superior weapon yes but only due to it's range & ability to retract. The range isn't detrimental to his ability & the retraction can be compensated since obito has so many of them.

can also be used to compensate for lack of range but they're probably slow, although obito have feats so that may not be as big of a problem.



True, but he did fight obito in cqc & lost multiple times. More clones doesn't change the fact that oibito can best them [it's the situation all over again]. & Naruto's fast shunshin doesn't change the fact that he can't bypass intangibility w/ his striking speed when he reaches him.

I concede Obito wins mid diff.
 

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Now you two need to take it to Mad's debate thread. What, you two scared.!!?
 

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lol kcm naruto couldn't even touch obitos warping speed

Obito negs
 
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