KCM naruto matchups

[ARGUS]

The more I look into him, the more contradictory his performance gets.
so here are some matchups against opponents in his respective tier, (not in order btw)

Starting distance: 50m
Location: 4th ninja war
Intel: Full
Mindset: IC
Intent: to Kill
Restrictions: ET, any form above KCM, 8th gate, PS

Matchups:
1. EMS sasuke (Kabuto fight)
2. base Minato (no RDS)
3. Tobirama (has one fodder edo)
4. Gokage
5. Nagato (no CST or CT)
6. MS Obito
7. Pein
8. DSM kabuto (no ET)
9. Guy (no 8th gate)
10. Killer Bee
11. EMS Sasuke w/o PS

My opinion:

Spoiler

he only wins against kabuto fight sasuke, ms obito and pein, loses to rest

which ones does he win? and which ones does he lose?

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Sasuke high diff.

2. Minato can win high diff.

3. Tobirama low-mid diff. He's probably not even going to hit Tobirama when he can react to Obito and has Hiraishin, now give him an AoE attack like Gojo and the ability to teleport the edo to whatever marking he wants without contact (as Edo Zombies have the user's chakra in them) Nardo dies a terrible terrible death. A fast one at that.

4. Gokage low diff. Ay and Onoki blitz.

5. Nagato mid diff.

6. Obito high diff. Giant weapon spam can probably take out some of Naruto's clones. Obito can also replicate what he did to Naruto's clone, but using 2 Giant Shuriken instead of using the Gunbai. Izanagi for 10 mins also helps since he'll be 100% invincible. And if push comes to shove he can always give himself another 10 minutes by using his MS eye. Also has Mokuton spikes for CQC.

7. Naruto mid-high diff.

8. Kabuto mid-high diff.

9. Gai mid-high diff. Closer to mid.

10. Killer B mid-high diff. Closer to high since he'll be getting molested if he uses anything under Bijuu Mode, and even then he might have to fire BD a couple times before he hits Naruto. The first time around Naruto should be able to just Shunshin to his backside thus avoiding the BD completely and slam him with an FRS in the back. But if B just blows himself up, he survives and Naruto dies.

11. Sasuke mid diff at best. FRS can be straight up dodged with Legged Susanoo or Enton counters them all. Chou FRS is countered by Amaterasu. Susanoo enters close combat with Naruto and mows him down in a matter of seconds.

 

[ARGUS]

1. Sasuke high diff.

naruto can win this one,
FRS or COFRS can be used as a melee weapon. and then susanoo is busted.
Sasukes susanoo lacks the mobility here to just catch naruto, so thats not happening, and the cloak straight up counters amatearsu (thats if naruto ever gets caught)

2. Minato can win high diff.

3. Tobirama low-mid diff. He's probably not even going to hit Tobirama when he can react to Obito and has Hiraishin, now give him an AoE attack like Gojo and the ability to teleport the edo to whatever marking he wants without contact (as Edo Zombies have the user's chakra in them) Nardo dies a terrible terrible death. A fast one at that.

i should have not given him an edo.

tobirama can simply tag naruto and land a mark, given he is much faster than him. from then on its only a matter of time till naruto gets put down by hiraishingiri,

on a side note, is it possible for tobirama to teleport to every single one of narutos clones and the original if he marks one. given that the chakra link will be formed and each of narutos obviously has the same chakra.

6. Obito high diff. Giant weapon spam can probably take out some of Naruto's clones. Obito can also replicate what he did to Naruto's clone, but using 2 Giant Shuriken instead of using the Gunbai. Izanagi for 10 mins also helps since he'll be 100% invincible. And if push comes to shove he can always give himself another 10 minutes by using his MS eye. Also has Mokuton spikes for CQC.

Weapons are straight up dodged, or just caught by chakra arms. unless they are used from like 2m, but then naruto can attack on obitos back,
straight up kamui is never cutting it, when naruto either:
--dodges,
--attacks obito on the interval,
--or can attack him from both dimensions if obito takes one in.

agreeed with the rest

 

[NarutoX28]

My response on Narutoforums:

1. EMS sasuke (Kabuto fight)

EMS Sasuke wins due to Susano'o and the elemental advantage he has with Amaterasu and Enton and the ability to spam Enton and even wield weapons enhanced by Enton increases his attack range and makes it far more difficult for KCM Naruto to get close to him.

Genjutsu is also troublesome and while Naruto can break out of it, it would take some time, much like it did for Bee when Sasuke used his MS Genjutsu and EMS is a superior dojutsu.

2. base Minato (no RDS)

Full knowledge, superior speed, superior reflexes, Emotions Sensing, and superior Stamina automatically gives KCM Naruto the upper-hand here.

3. Tobirama (has one fodder edo)

Tobirama wins quite easily. He displayed superior reflexes compared to KCM Minato, so he has no trouble outmaneuvering and reacting to KCM Naruto's attacks.

4. Gokage

The Gokage win quite easily. KCM Naruto isn't portrayed to be on the level needed to take down all 5 Kage.

5. Nagato (no CST or CT)

We saw what happened. Nagato literally outclassed Naruto in a single panel. Nagato wins quite easily.

6. MS Obito

Obito wins. Obito saw through KCM Naruto's feints with his Sharingan, so he feints Naruto, slaps his clones one by one, and tags him just as easily as he did in the manga.

7. Pein

Likely KCM Naruto. Nagato mentioned that KCM Naruto improved and KCM Naruto seemed quite confident that he could handle himself better against Nagato than he did against Pain.

8. DSM kabuto (no ET)

DSM Kabuto wins.

Overall, he has superior reflexes and is far more versatile in ninjutsu as he can simply corner Naruto with a variety of techniques such as Kimimaro's bones and Kidoumaru's webs which would force KCM Naruto to expend a lot of chakra to power through those techniques, so he'd get outlasted quite easily.

9. Guy (no 8th gate)

Base Gai was reflexively superior to KCM Naruto. Even with the 6th Gate, he should take this due having superior speed, Taijutsu, and Morning Peacock which hard-counters FRS.

10. Killer Bee

I would argue that KCM Naruto wins. V2 Edo Jin were giving him trouble, so multiple clones attacking him from multiple different angles should overwhelm the Hachibi and FRS is certainly going to damage the Hachibi considerably since it did to 50% Kurama who's a stronger entity.

11. EMS Sasuke w/o PS

At this point, EMS Sasuke displayed superior reflexes than KCM Naruto and KCM Naruto has nothing that can defeat Sasuke's Bijuu-Sized V3 Susano'o coated w/ Enton. KCM Naruto loses quite easily.

 

[Eng nawashi]

He has a chance in beating kabuto fight sasuke,pain. And even then he may lose too.

 

[KidGamer65]

naruto can win this one,
FRS or COFRS can be used as a melee weapon. and then susanoo is busted.
Sasukes susanoo lacks the mobility here to just catch naruto, so thats not happening, and the cloak straight up counters amatearsu (thats if naruto ever gets caught)

Sasuke just intercepts his FRS with Amaterasu or Enton Magatama if he Shunshins straight at him. Or his Susanoo simply swings it's Enton Blade and swats Naruto and the FRS. Even if FRS hits it, V4 Susanoo tanks it with minimal-moderate damage. His Susanoo doesn't need mobility to catch Naruto when it's not attacking him with it's legs nor does it need legs to close the distance as Naruto will be coming straight to it on his own.

And no, Naruto will not be dodging all of Sasuke's attacks. Sasuke can easily track his movements with Sharingan, and if he himself has the physical speed to react accordingly then Susanoo will have the speed to strike accordingly as Susanoo strikes faster than Sasuke himself can move outside of Shunshin.

And no, the cloak doesn't counter Amaterasu. If Naruto himself is wary about getting hit, he's not going to survive if he does. But he won't so that doesn't matter.

And no, Naruto clearly can't use COFRS as a melee weapon when he needs 5 chakra arms just to form and maintain it. And do you think Sasuke will stand there while he charges it up? Lol Amaterasu would turn it to flame and Naruto's body along with it if he sticks around in that area.

i should have not given him an edo.

tobirama can simply tag naruto and land a mark, given he is much faster than him. from then on its only a matter of time till naruto gets put down by hiraishingiri,

Agreed.

on a side note, is it possible for tobirama to teleport to every single one of narutos clones and the original if he marks one. given that the chakra link will be formed and each of narutos obviously has the same chakra.

No. Markings are nothing but destinations for Hiraishin users to teleport to.

Weapons are straight up dodged, or just caught by chakra arms. unless they are used from like 2m, but then naruto can attack on obitos back,
straight up kamui is never cutting it, when naruto either:
--dodges,
--attacks obito on the interval,
--or can attack him from both dimensions if obito takes one in.

He's not going to be dodging anything if he's the one engaging Obito as shown in the Manga. He'll slip through his attacks and get hit from the sides or the back. A back attack won't work since Obito doesn't become solid until he wants to warp, so he'd just slip through that clone's attack too and kill it. Being able to straight up stall Obito while he's only using Kamui doesn't matter either as that's not all he has.

 

[Ambivalence]

2. Minato can win high diff.

How does Alive Minato win against KCM Naruto?

 

[Beans2]

Matchups:
1. EMS sasuke (Kabuto fight)

Naruto wins.

2. base Minato (no RDS)

Lol Naruto wins.

3. Tobirama (has one fodder edo)

Naruto.

4. Gokage

Gokage.

5. Nagato (no CST or CT)

Naruto wins with these restrictions.

6. MS Obito

Hm, maybe Obito.

7. Pein[/quite]

Pain wins.

8. DSM kabuto (no ET)

Naruto

9. Guy (no 8th gate)

Gai

10. Killer Bee

Bijuu Dama Gg

11. EMS Sasuke w/o PS

Sasuke

 

[Draegod]

Naruto wins.


Lol Naruto wins.



Naruto.



Gokage.



Naruto wins with these restrictions.



Hm, maybe Obito.

7. Pein[/quite]

Pain wins.



Naruto



Gai



Bijuu Dama Gg



Sasuke

Agree completely

 

[Eng nawashi]

Well ,i was careless with my first post ,he beats kabuto fight sasuke ,obito and minato matchs up can go either way .

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Alive Minato win against KCM Naruto?

Full intel and 50m distance means that Minato starts off this match just like he did against Ay. From there on out Naruto isn't going to be able to hit him with any straight forward attacks. So he'll probably start using clones, but that doesn't help his case either as he can't make as many clones as places and kunai Minato can mark without weakening himself to the point where clone spam is irrelevant. If he engages CQC with Minato, Minato ends up getting his back with Hiraishin Step 2 and from there he gets marked and killed. Though that will take a while due to Naruto's clones.

 

[Kuikamauna]

The more I look into him, the more contradictory his performance gets.
so here are some matchups against opponents in his respective tier, (not in order btw)

Starting distance: 50m
Location: 4th ninja war
Intel: Full
Mindset: IC
Intent: to Kill
Restrictions: ET, any form above KCM, 8th gate, PS

Matchups:
1. EMS sasuke (Kabuto fight)
2. base Minato (no RDS)
3. Tobirama (has one fodder edo)
4. Gokage
5. Nagato (no CST or CT)
6. MS Obito
7. Pein
8. DSM kabuto (no ET)
9. Guy (no 8th gate)
10. Killer Bee
11. EMS Sasuke w/o PS

My opinion:

Spoiler

he only wins against kabuto fight sasuke, ms obito and pein, loses to rest

which ones does he win? and which ones does he lose?

Naruto should win all of them except Nagato considering his performance issues are explained by circumstances like not having full mastery over his mode, wanting to conserve chakra for BM, focusing on the alliance, not wanting to kill his opponent, and fighting while having most of his chakra split. Without any of those hesitations, naruto is capable of moving at least as fast as maximum Ei when he doesn't have clones out, and is capable of making at least 12 clones that can individually handle kage level opponents. I don't see how anyone on this list can really deal with that. Against the teleporters, the clones will do the trick as well considering they are all fast, sensors and can have chakra arms pop out of nowhere.


The capabilities of characters are based on their best performances, while seemingly subpar performances ought to be explained rather than saying that a character's best performance was 'plot' which is equivalent to no in-verse explanation.