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>Minato can react to Ay casually
>Minato can throw his kunai in a large perimeter around the Juubi
>Is caught in AoE
>Legit
KCM Naruto & EMS Sasuke vs KCM Minato & Tobirama
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>Minato can throw his kunai in a large perimeter around the Juubi
>Is caught in AoE
>Legit
Ok, but it still doesnt prevent him from getting marked by minato
Tobirama himself is edo here, so he doesnt have to worry about enton at all, which he can evade ON FOOT,
he evades all of sasukes attaacks with FTG, and then blows all his susanoos up with GKF, standing susanoo is not tanking the attack at all, and even if it survives, then Tobirama can simply use GKF again, or Minato can use BIjuuDama Rasengan to bust it open and kill him, and Kirin is not doing shit either,, seeing how sasuke gets killed before he even preps the jutsu
and as the battle proolongs they would already have markings outside its AOE, therefore they evade it with FTG
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their katon gets repelled by minatos chakra arms that are more amplified than the cloak rather easily,
and taking flight from hawk is doing them what exactly?
sasuke is not even landing a single hit on them, and his susanoo is moot here in front of BDR and GKF,
aoda is also wrecked by GKF if sasuke resorts to that, and gamabunta is countered by another boss summon from minato,
With the restrictions this is actually a close matchup, but I'm still leaning towards team one mainly due to naruto's
EDIT: Nvm just saw the bunshin restriction, team 2 wins.
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.EDIT: Nvm just saw the bunshin restriction, team 2 wins.
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Ehh i guess you have a point here...
Actually it does seeing as he can easily keep up with Minato once he fuses with SM... Sound genjutsu immobilizes Minato FRS then one shots him... Yea with the time it takes for Kirin to be ready they can evade it... Amaterasu is far different from regular Katon... Also those cloaks are more use-full against Katon/Amaterasu based techs seeing as they aren't directly on the users body... How is Minato going to use this fanfic BDR he doesn't even have training with it for one and someone like Naruto took some time to do this and he's far superior to Minato when it comes down to preforming chakra balls... Sasuke sharingan genjutsu puts down any summoning Minato whips out...
How is Tobirama spamming GFK when he can't regenerate nor does the Op state he can fodder edo's??? Manda takes GFK anyways...
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Sound Genjutsu is only happening if naruto actually summons Ma and Pa,
and as for fusing into KCSM, minato can still be able to tag naruto whether he can keep or not,
sound genjutsu such as frog call is simply evaded by those 2, as its range is rather minimal, and frog song is not being prepped here,
No it doesnt, its evaded by either of them ON FOOT, or Minato can simply redirect it right back to naruto through the S/T barrier
They will also place markings outside its AOE, by that time, and evade it with ease
not that it matters since sasuke dies before thats even prepped
Apart from amaterasu being inextinguishable, there is really no difference between amaterasu and katons,
both the atttacks are designed for burning, and narutos V1 chakra cloak shat on amaterasu,
Minatos KCM cloak and chakra arms laugh at it,
amaterasu is non factor here,
Minato knows the TBB and he knows the rasengan,
the only reason why naruto was unable to do it the first time was because he was unable to get the chakra ratio right,
afterwards he used
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Ok?
tobirama is edo here, GKF is simply summoning extra tags where his body will be the medium for the paper
it has nothing to do with regeneration at all,
and Manda is dead, sasuke isnt granted manda in his EMS state,
GKF is used, and susanoo is busted, as goshun mawashi then finishes him off, or tobirama simply marks him afterwards and kills him with an FTG slash
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When have GKF shown such feats? i mean it literally did nothing to Juubito and that befoe he completely manipulated the orbs. im going to need actual feats of it being hirudora's level instead of assumptions furthermore they're nothing but burnt tags it would take time to even put a dent on susanoo and as i stated before and Standing v3 susanoo > Normal V3 susanoo and durability more chakra focused thus its harder.
Minato's speed and reflexes has shown it wasit even superior to KMC naruto's at all to also add the fact KSM > Minato's false KM speed feats and with 3 boss toads Minato isnt landing on shit. @The bold cant tell if your serious Naruto Rasengan variants and usage of the jutsu is much better than Minato's and he failed 3 times when trying to use it Minato never even tried or doesnt know the jutsu exist is not using it periode leave the fanfic in the fanfic section we debate off pure feats nothing more nothing less.
you try again its true it was designed for edos but since Regeneration has been restricted
Naruto fighting in CQC is insanely stupid and he knows that so this CQC argument needs to be chucked out the window using his toads along with Sasuke is how he plays this safe he could summon ma & pa while he's on sasuke's hawk and then rapes with him sound genjutsu.
Stop being dumb no one ever said FRS cant be sent away with s/t barrier i said Naruto would use guided FRS instead of just launching them. Yes because Naruto is going to be standing next to a marking knowing Minato just warped his attack get out of here with that nonsense. you clearly didnt read the restrictions but i let you fall deeper into this hole and im not denying they cant get out an FRS radius.
your just repeating yourself KSM gives Naruto faster reflexes and Naruto summons his 3 boss toads witch Sasuke fights with while he could launch attacks from Sasuke's hawk of just prep sound genjutsu to end the duo.
Juubito lacks a mind witch is a crucial factor when fighting people like tobirama or Minato so no furthermore him tagging Juubi feats should not even exist because if he was alive it would have never happened furthermore he wasit even able to land a single hit on Madara when he had SM sensing and reflexes Naruto having that on top of KMC and chakra arms would not be so easy to tag as you think. Tobirama indeed has something to be worried about because he's not immortal in this Matchup.
Tobirama does infact need the
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furthermore without regeneration this would be a pointless suicide and once again BDR does not exist in Minato's arsenal.To bad Oil and enton combo roast any Ftg Marking.
Too bad tobirama doesnt have the luxury of using GKF unless he wants to die hopelessly
Too bad the Hawk dodges his suicide attempt easily
Too bad Naruto has all the toads summon and they would naturally listen to him due to the fact he's they're current wielder and owner furthermore he has a perfect sage mode or Sasuke just once shots any toad with amaterasu.
Not even close especially not tobirama
Going to need of scan of this Bijuu dama Rasengan Minato used so well. Tobirama has nothing to hold Sasuke's susanoo in place so he dies fo no reason.
Kirin doesnt effect Sasuke at all and how will it get Naruto killed if they're on the hawk safe from the ground. Kirin doesnt need prep really i mean the prep didnt start untill him and itachi went to the roof Gamabunta oil with enton would produce much more heat then what they're fight did basically making it not even a prepped tech and again you dance around it instead of giving a actual counter Kirin one shots. While Fighting it isnt in character for Minato or tobirama to set Ftg on the outskirts of the battlefield not would they have a reason to. Also Kirin strikes 1/1000 of a second that alone shits on Minato reaction time and unlike Itachi who got the full layout of Kirin before Sasuke used it Minato doesnt get that luxury so he is tooken out.
Naruto threw the flames away it would not be anywhere for Minato to throw the flames since its everywhere focused amaterasu burns clean through his cloak or he does
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and chops Minato to pieces
Just because GKF did nothing to Juubito doesnt mean that its not busting susanoo,
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means that its powerful enough to bust sasukes susanoo here Nope, base minato was capable of reacting to Ays top speed,
yet even SM naruto struggled to react to against blind madaras shunshin,
addd the KCM boost to minato, (which is the same as narutos, due to both possessing half the kyuubi) and we get to te conclusion that minatos speed and reflexes are better than narutos
as for the toads, minato can summon them as weell, so it wont just be naruto, the toads are utmost non factor here anyways
andd why is minato not capable of using bijuudama rasengan (BDR)?
Lol what?
Ok, but tht doesnt stop minato from approaching him in CQC which would result in naruto getting marked,
and naruto is not summoning ma and pa without a ritual,
by that time naruto would be dead, by either GKF, or Goshun Mawashi
Sound Genjutsu is only valid from ma and pa who require a ritual to be summoned,
not that it matters since the range of frog call is rather primitive when even the paths were unaffected by the jutsu despite being only a few meters away from the summons
hes not immortal indeed, however half of the juubito fight, he didnt have the luxury to be attacked, due to juubitos onmyoudon negating their regeneration, yet tobirama still tagged him atleast 3 times
and this is the same dude who is much faster than KCM naruto,
and madara was a juubi jin when he shat on base minatos FTG attack,
naruto and sasuke here are no where near that level so that feat cant be given to them
No he doesnt,
he only restrained juubtio so that the attack connects 100%, otherwise he doesnt need it to be restrained since all hes doing is throwing paper tags at them,
sasukes susanoo gets constantly attacked by the paper tags and therefore gets busted
Gets blocked by chakra arms so that isnt happening, and the duo cna still form markings afterwards
Yes he does,
Not really, as with minatos summons, itll be certain that the attack connects and due to its vast AOE it most certainly will
thats fanfic and mere speculation,
minato was the one who summoned gamabunta at the kyuubi attack and summoned the toad to place the kyuubis key inside naruto,
whoever summons first will have that summon
you stated that sasuke solos, thats the joke of the day here
BDR is basically rasengan and TBB, minato knows how to do both and he knows the ratio of 8:2
he does this jus how naruto did,
scans are not needed for common sense
Minato and Tobiramas reactions are above itachi who is drained from overusing his MS
not to mention that they are not stupid they can easily place the markings as the battle progrresses and then evade kirin, seeing how the jutsu actually requres a downward arm movement, enabling the duo more than enough time to evade it,
so even if kirin executes and even if sasukes survives long enough to use it, the jutsu is still not doing much
Too bad that feat is applicable to rinnegan sasuke who is boosted by hagoromos power,
and minato gets rid of the flames much easier than even naruto did, since this time he has the full KCM cloak and his chakra is far stronger here, than a drained base narutos,
furthermore V1 cloak has shwon to be repel the flames, minatos chakra arms do exactly the same
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Minato tagging Naruto is useless seeing as his ftg seals don't bleed through clothing. He'll tag Naruto's chakra Naruto shruggs the chakra off and just make another one... How is he going to stop them???
Redirect via S/T barrier yea only if he has an ftg infront of Naruto or near him which Naruto could then grab it and throw it right back... Sasuke dies before hand? Amaterasu is far more deadly than regular katon seeing as it burned right threw TMS while regular katons wouldn't do a thing... Minato isn't shaking of Amaterasu on that level... Also that kills Tobirama as well...
L0l stop with Minato using a Bijuu-Rasengan Naruto learned that after hard training and intel from Gyuki... If im correct it took Minato 4years to make a swirling ball of chakra while Naruto did it within weeks... Learning a Mini Bijuudama was hard for Naruto so Minato isn't learning that at all and let's stick to feat's here Minato cannonly didn't even use a Tbb... Summong tag from his body isn't a possible feat seeing as he won't regenerate from it like he did in cannon... This is a vs thread not Manga...
Then he'll finish naruto off by slamming rasengans on him, which he most certainly can, seeing how he is faster and has better reflexes
Ok, but if naruto is marked hes not reacting to an instant FTG teleportation, meaning that FRS kills him
not that it matters since naruto is not landing a hit on Minato here
Lol Amaterasu failed to burn through the samurai armor, its burning feats are utmost fodder,
a chakra arm from KCM shrugs it away like a moth,
claiming that its better than katon isnt cutting it,,
Lol im not going to bother with this, if ur just going to say that it wasnt shown in the manga Lol
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, so i dont see why ur ignoring the obviousthe only thing naruto couldnt do was get the ratios correct, however once he got it right, he could do the BDR,
Minato here, knows the ratio and he knowss the rasengan, claiming that he cant do BDR, is like saying he doesnt know the rasengan or the ratio,
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L0l Naruto is going to sit there and let himself get hit with Rasengans? Also is that going to kill him l0l? Naruto chakra hands simply intercept Rasengans and then he can preform his own... Also Naruto usage of clones will be far more efficent seeing as he can make Tajuu Kagebushins which are far more durable than anything Minato can pull out of his ass... How is Minato going to quickly take out Naruto and spread Kunai choose an argument both aren't happening... The moment he's tagged the chakra of the located area is simply removed... Everything around him will be covered in Amaterasu it's far different from a regular Katon that will burn out... Once the entire Battlefield is covered Sasuke proceeds to manipulate it into Enton spikes to roast Minato's insides... Claiming? it's better im positive it's been proving it's much better than Katon it even burned Senjutsu inhanced Katon.(
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Not even going to waste time with your argument on Minato's fanfic BRS if Minato can preform a BRS then KM Naruto can hand out chakra shrouds also i don't see why not seeing as Kurama gives the chakra...
Lol with only one clone?
hes not doing shit, especially when minato is faster and has FTG to evade his attack and land his own
Explain because that literally makes no sense, since minato would make sure that his attack lands
Too bad that naruto can only make one clone here,
and what fanfic are u bringing here, both can create KCM clone, there is no difference in durability here
Minato spreads his kunais right at the beginning of the match up, and allows tobirama to sync in with his own and viceversa,
once the markings are spread out, minato approaches naruto at CQC and can most certainly mark him,
ok,
Lol amaterasu is still getting shat on by KCM chakra cloak when it was shat on by V1 cloak from an exhausted naruto,
burning a mere katon is stil not a good feat when it failed to breach througu even the samurai armor,
Lol what, ur in denial here,
all logic dictates to minato beeing capable of using BDR and i even provide u scans, yet all ur doing is disagreeing without any solid basis
and Lol ur example to counter my premise is even more flawe when KCM cloak only involves naruto using the kuramaas chakra,
kurama isnt fighting at all in that state,
so try again
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Sasuke and Naruto win.
-Sasuke can't be touched by anything bar edo explosion, which is unlikely to work.
-Sasuke's Susano is never being touched due to Enton Kagutsuchi.
-KCM Naruto shits on FTG kunai's with chakra arms, or Sasuke does so with Enton variants.
-Eventually, it will become a fight where Mnato and Tobirama can only Hirashin with clones/each other.
-KCM Naruto would usually be blitzed by KCM Minato, but since he isn't restricted of SM, he easily destroys him in CQC.
-Sasuke tracked Juubito's speed when BSM Naruto had difficulty doing it, thus Minato's speed won't affect him.
-Sasuke's Aoda will have heavy area control, I'm gonna assume toads aren't factored since Minato and Naruto share Toad contracts.
-It boils down to who is hit first by Sasuke's Genjutsu, and then killed by KCSM Naruto's blitz. Partner method takes longer than Naruto's blitz, that's taking into account the Kyuubi as well.
-Sasuke can't be touched by anything bar edo explosion, which is unlikely to work.
-Sasuke's Susano is never being touched due to Enton Kagutsuchi.
-KCM Naruto shits on FTG kunai's with chakra arms, or Sasuke does so with Enton variants.
-Eventually, it will become a fight where Mnato and Tobirama can only Hirashin with clones/each other.
-KCM Naruto would usually be blitzed by KCM Minato, but since he isn't restricted of SM, he easily destroys him in CQC.
-Sasuke tracked Juubito's speed when BSM Naruto had difficulty doing it, thus Minato's speed won't affect him.
-Sasuke's Aoda will have heavy area control, I'm gonna assume toads aren't factored since Minato and Naruto share Toad contracts.
-It boils down to who is hit first by Sasuke's Genjutsu, and then killed by KCSM Naruto's blitz. Partner method takes longer than Naruto's blitz, that's taking into account the Kyuubi as well.
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