KCM Minato Gauntlet

[Lord Tywin]

Garbage was strong with that one.

 

[Blunt]

Minato clears through the majority, problems are..

Sasuke w/ Legged Susano'o and Enton.
Gokage (namely Lightened Ay) or Ohnoki boosted by Byakugo.

 

[Unorthodox]

EMS Sasuke (no PS) - Sasuke has legged Susano so the same tactic that was used against Itachi won't work. But sasuke has no way of touching Minato. Sasuke would eventually get outlasted.

If Sasuke can track Juubito he can easily track a kmc minato he was keeping up with on foot with especially with susanoo his clones get bisected off chakra arms are cut with susanoo blades or enton blades minato gets rushed and gets the pressure put on him dodging with ftg is his only option sasuke could make enton spikes up upon contact so there is none. he preps a giant kirin to wack the latter he tries to run all day.

Clears.

Minato clears it

Read above clowns

Minato fans be grasping.

opinion on this matchup

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke beats him.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke beats him.

good i did not want to light chu up

 

[LuckyMan]

KCM Edo Minato is far beyond that of Base Alive Minato. The latter needs FTG to physically dodge speed of V2 Ay's tier, and KCM Naruto completely danced on that speed. Base Minato isn't reacting to a JJ either.

Its wasn't a matter of Minato needing feats to surpass KCM Naruto, its just that we were shown a few attacks he had a hard time reacting to/nearly didn't, yet Naruto and Sasuke were able to react to said attacks as well as he could.

Sigh. We had this conversation already. You once claimed that KCM Minato = KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke in reaction speeds. Take away KCM from Naruto and Minato and by your logic, they should be equal in those categories, no? I told you thats impossible because Minato was superior to Naruto when they were both in base in those categories. When I apply your logic, it means Base Naruto can react to V2 Ay like Minato did and that's preposterous.

When I gave you this example of how flawed your logic was remember what your response was? "Feats make them equal. Feats disagree. Your line of thinking is fallacious. Theres no guarantee KCM gives them the dead same boost." Thats what you responded with. You only claimed theres no guarantee KCM gives them the same boost because even you stopped and realized how flawed your logic was on that point so you had to set up an escape for your argument.

After you mentioned theres no guarantee KCM gives them the same boost, I asked you to prove it doesn't. Your proof? You remember it right? "Feats disagree and anything else is your opinion" You had no counter argument and we ended the discussion there because I didn't reply to you again but I'm going to explain this to you one last time.

We know for a fact Edos are weaker than the real shinobi. Take Madara for example. Madara was allegedly modified to be beyond his prime when he was Edo. We soon saw that Edo Madara ain't got shit on real Madara, as his stats had spiked and even Hashirama said Madara had regained his full power. This goes to show how Edos have lower stats across the board. Edo Base Minato was weaker than Alive Base Minato. KCM brought his stats up to what his Alive Base form would have been, remember I only said this because its the only thing that makes the point YOU made make sense. What point am I referring to?

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Take away EMS+KCM from all 3 of them and put them in base form. Who reacts to V2 Ay and survives and who loses their heads before they know it? Right? Now give all 3 the boost we just took away and you should understand they can't be equal in reaction speeds, regardless of feats, unless KCM Edo Minato had stats roughly equal to his Alive Base self, which would make sense since we know he'd get a power spike if he was alive like Madara did and KCM is essentially that power spike for him.

 

[Raykyryn]

I agree with the majority, he clears.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sigh. We had this conversation already. You once claimed that KCM Minato = KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke in reaction speeds. Take away KCM from Naruto and Minato and by your logic, they should be equal in those categories, no? I told you thats impossible because Minato was superior to Naruto when they were both in base in those categories. When I apply your logic, it means Base Naruto can react to V2 Ay like Minato did and that's preposterous.

When I gave you this example of how flawed your logic was remember what your response was? "Feats make them equal. Feats disagree. Your line of thinking is fallacious. Theres no guarantee KCM gives them the dead same boost." Thats what you responded with. You only claimed theres no guarantee KCM gives them the same boost because even you stopped and realized how flawed your logic was on that point so you had to set up an escape for your argument.

After you mentioned theres no guarantee KCM gives them the same boost, I asked you to prove it doesn't. Your proof? You remember it right? "Feats disagree and anything else is your opinion" You had no counter argument and we ended the discussion there because I didn't reply to you again but I'm going to explain this to you one last time.

We know for a fact Edos are weaker than the real shinobi. Take Madara for example. Madara was allegedly modified to be beyond his prime when he was Edo. We soon saw that Edo Madara ain't got shit on real Madara, as his stats had spiked and even Hashirama said Madara had regained his full power. This goes to show how Edos have lower stats across the board. Edo Base Minato was weaker than Alive Base Minato. KCM brought his stats up to what his Alive Base form would have been, remember I only said this because its the only thing that makes the point YOU made make sense. What point am I referring to?

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Take away EMS+KCM from all 3 of them and put them in base form. Who reacts to V2 Ay and survives and who loses their heads before they know it? Right? Now give all 3 the boost we just took away and you should understand they can't be equal in reaction speeds, regardless of feats, unless KCM Edo Minato had stats roughly equal to his Alive Base self, which would make sense since we know he'd get a power spike if he was alive like Madara did and KCM is essentially that power spike for him.

And again, you keep using base forms to judge higher forms. Feats will always trump your opinion, no matter how strong the logic is.

You can't argue Edo KCM Minato is faster than them when The Manga had them all displaying the same difficulty reacting to the same person. In some cases like Sasuke, even reacting faster than him. Your opinion doesn't mean shit in front of that. Who would react in base without Augs doesn't matter.

Then there's the fact that you have zero evidence to prove that Alive Minato is as fast as Edo Minato. As again, Alive Minato needed a transmission tech to get away from V2 Ay's Shunshin, which Naruto already canonically far surpassed with his own. With Edo KCM Minato being equal to him, the gap between Edo KCM Minato and alive Minato in speed is the same as KCM Naruto and Alive Minato. Edo KCM Minato >>> Alive Minato in speed.

That Edo Tensei argument doesn't counter mine in anyway, since Minato could have gotten slower and that's why the forms line up in speed and my logic still stands. The only thing I'm arguing in the margins your scaling.

My points are

- Alive Minato is much slower than Edo KCM Minato
- Edo KCM Minato is equal to KCM Naruto/EMS Sasuke in reactions

If all your points are for an Alive KCM Minato then don't bother replying. I don't consider him a legitimate character, and he doesn't affect anything in my post.

 

[LuckyMan]

And again, you keep using base forms to judge higher forms. Feats will always trump your opinion, no matter how strong the logic is.

I can use base to judge their higher forms if their higher forms comes from the exact same thing. 50% Kurama. If Yin and Yang Kurama gave different kinds of stat boost then you'd have a point. You did't say they factually give different boost, but you insinuated that they did by saying its no guarantee they did gave the same dead boost and when asked for proof, you didn't come through with it. And no this is not logic its common sense. Number A is higher than Number B. Give them an equal number to add to their number and Number A will still be higher.

You can't argue Edo KCM Minato is faster than them when The Manga had them all displaying the same difficulty reacting to the same person. In some cases like Sasuke, even reacting faster than him. Your opinion doesn't mean shit in front of that. Who would react in base without Augs doesn't matter.

Who would react to Ay in base means everything unless their KCM don't give them the same boost, which you insinuated, but couldn't prove so I suggest you stop trying to avoid the key points that shit on your argument. The Manga also showed Minato reacting to Ay in base. You're deliberately ignoring the parts of manga canon that shit on your argument because you know you're wrong.

Then there's the fact that you have zero evidence to prove that Alive Minato is as fast as Edo Minato. As again, Alive Minato needed a transmission tech to get away from V2 Ay's Shunshin, which Naruto already canonically far surpassed with his own. With Edo KCM Minato being equal to him, the gap between Edo KCM Minato and alive Minato in speed is the same as KCM Naruto and Alive Minato. Edo KCM Minato >>> Alive Minato in speed.

No, he needed teleportation to counter attack. Are you forgetting he threw a kunai above Ays head so fast not even Ay himself noticed? That is a physical reaction then he mentally reacted with Hirashin. If Minato can do that from less than 10 meters against V2 Ay he can evade his blitz the way Naruto did. Naruto had the advantage of already running and gaining speed before Ay blitzed him and he was more than 10 meters away and still was nearly hit, so cut the bullshit about him far surpassing V2 Ay in speed because Ay's fist on his nose, thats narrowly escaping. If Minato had those same advantages, he could react and escape with his shunshin too.

That Edo Tensei argument doesn't counter mine in anyway, since Minato could have gotten slower and that's why the forms line up in speed and my logic still stands. The only thing I'm arguing in the margins your scaling.

My points are

- Alive Minato is much slower than Edo KCM Minato
- Edo KCM Minato is equal to KCM Naruto/EMS Sasuke in reactions

If all your points are for an Alive KCM Minato then don't bother replying. I don't consider him a legitimate character, and he doesn't affect anything in my post.

Yeah, no. The argument counter yours entirely and you choose to ignore it. Not surprised, you've already ignored manga canon. You not considering Alive KCM Minato and legitimate character is irrelevant because the OP has made Minato alive with KCM in this thread so thats what it is, no different from the fanfic illegitimate characters you put in versus threads to debate. Yeah don't reply to me, it'll be ignored.

Adios amigo.

 

[Kagustuchi]

I can use base to judge their higher forms if their higher forms comes from the exact same thing. 50% Kurama. If Yin and Yang Kurama gave different kinds of stat boost then you'd have a point. You did't say they factually give different boost, but you insinuated that they did by saying its no guarantee they did gave the same dead boost and when asked for proof, you didn't come through with it. And no this is not logic its common sense. Number A is higher than Number B. Give them an equal number to add to their number and Number A will still be higher.



Who would react to Ay in base means everything unless their KCM don't give them the same boost, which you insinuated, but couldn't prove so I suggest you stop trying to avoid the key points that shit on your argument. The Manga also showed Minato reacting to Ay in base. You're deliberately ignoring the parts of manga canon that shit on your argument because you know you're wrong.

Why do you still continue to hold onto that? I've already said the reason for why their KCM is equal while their alive base forms arnt is completely irrlevant.

Which one is it, because you keep saying diffrent things. Do you think

1.) Edo Minato was weakend from Edo Tensei and that's why he was equal in KCM to Naruto.

Or

2.) Edo KCM Minato is faster because of scaling from base
Because Alive Minato can react to Ay and Base Naruto cant.

And before you post, the first one is right. Though Edo KCM is far faster than Alive Base Minato.

No, he needed teleportation to counter attack. Are you forgetting he threw a kunai above Ays head so fast not even Ay himself noticed? That is a physical reaction then he mentally reacted with Hirashin. If Minato can do that from less than 10 meters against V2 Ay he can evade his blitz the way Naruto did. Naruto had the advantage of already running and gaining speed before Ay blitzed him and he was more than 10 meters away and still was nearly hit, so cut the bullshit about him far surpassing V2 Ay in speed because Ay's fist on his nose, thats narrowly escaping. If Minato had those same advantages, he could react and escape with his shunshin too.

If I'm a good distance away from you, and my speed is so fast that the only thing your capable of doing before I reach you with a punch is toss a knife in your hand upwards, then you barely reacted. Both times he didn't have time to pysically move a distance. No feats he's ever shown would put his Shunshin on the same level as even V2 Ay's.

Naruto laughed at his speed. Ay was already mid-Shunshin, meaning top speed. Naruto started shunshin and sped away a farther distance than Ay had moved after Naruto started Shunshin. Since Naruto was standing directly in front of some rocks, but was a ways away when Ay hit the rock.

Not to mention this is the same Shunshin that Bee couldn't even see, the same Bee that reacted to Minato's Shunshin and FTG.

Yeah, no. The argument counter yours entirely and you choose to ignore it. Not surprised, you've already ignored manga canon. You not considering Alive KCM Minato and legitimate character is irrelevant because the OP has made Minato alive with KCM in this thread so thats what it is, no different from the fanfic illegitimate characters you put in versus threads to debate. Yeah don't reply to me, it'll be ignored.

Adios amigo.

Was I ever once involved in the actual OT? Nope. Just calling out some of your fallacious claims about his actual cannon versions. Could care less about the actual Minato in the thread.

 

[Gold Lightning]

^^^
:stfu:

Why are people still having this conversation. Its already clearly been written that Ay raiton chakra mode is on par with the yellow flash. i.e base minato's nerve transmissions and reaction speed are not inferior to Ays in raiton chakra mode.

Why are you trying to compare naruto and minatos confrontations with ay when they are not comparable. Show me a single instance where naruto reacted to Ay while standing still? Ay was trying to stop naruto from getting past while against minato he was fully trying to kill him. When naruto evaded his top speed, he got a complete running head start, more than twice the distance that Ay and minato were. You also sadly dont know what the difference is between evasion and counter attack. Minato was trying to defeat Ay, so he used ftg to counter. Naruto was not trying to fight Ay so he used shunshin only to try to get away. Use a bit of common sense. If minato used shunshin against Ay, what does that accomplish for him? Nothing. But using ftg allowed him to completely overwhelm and counter attack Ays top speed. FTG>>>Shunshin, whats hard to understand here? He went with the faster and superior technique because thats what anyone with a brain would do.

You also tried to say minato was forced to teleport away the second time :lol. He was walking away with his face not even looking at Ay. Of course he had to use ftg. Again show me an single moment where naruto managed to counter such speed while walking/stationary. Naruto was always on the move first against Ay. I pity those who still believe minato was slower than Ay, despite Ay saying minato is faster. Despite the databook saying he was the fastest. Inb4 ftg is why he is the fastest -_-. No it isnt, his mastery of ftg got him the nickname "yellow flash". Not once is it stated in the manga or databook that FTG is the reason minato was the fastest. Those are two different categories.

You say he doesnt have feats on Ays calibre :lol. Distance wise, minatos feats squashes Ays feats. Saving kushina from kuramas claw point blank (an attack sage naruto was unable to react to), and then move her dozens of meters away in an instant. Theres a reason the 2nd and 3rd hokage praised his shunshin speed when he reached the battlefield way ahead of time, its kishi reestablishing that minato was once the fastest of his time, that is fact.

 

[Kagustuchi]

^^^
:stfu:

Why are people still having this conversation. Its already clearly been written that Ay raiton chakra mode is on par with the yellow flash. i.e base minato's nerve transmissions and reaction speed are not inferior to Ays in raiton chakra mode.

Why are you trying to compare naruto and minatos confrontations with ay when they are not comparable. Show me a single instance where naruto reacted to Ay while standing still? Ay was trying to stop naruto from getting past while against minato he was fully trying to kill him. When naruto evaded his top speed, he got a complete running head start, more than twice the distance that Ay and minato were. You also sadly dont know what the difference is between evasion and counter attack. Minato was trying to defeat Ay, so he used ftg to counter. Naruto was not trying to fight Ay so he used shunshin only to try to get away. Use a bit of common sense. If minato used shunshin against Ay, what does that accomplish for him? Nothing. But using ftg allowed him to completely overwhelm and counter attack Ays top speed. FTG>>>Shunshin, whats hard to understand here? He went with the faster and superior technique because thats what anyone with a brain would do.

You also tried to say minato was forced to teleport away the second time :lol. He was walking away with his face not even looking at Ay. Of course he had to use ftg. Again show me an single moment where naruto managed to counter such speed while walking/stationary. Naruto was always on the move first against Ay. I pity those who still believe minato was slower than Ay, despite Ay saying minato is faster. Despite the databook saying he was the fastest. Inb4 ftg is why he is the fastest -_-. No it isnt, his mastery of ftg got him the nickname "yellow flash". Not once is it stated in the manga or databook that FTG is the reason minato was the fastest. Those are two different categories.

You say he doesnt have feats on Ays calibre :lol. Distance wise, minatos feats squashes Ays feats. Saving kushina from kuramas claw point blank (an attack sage naruto was unable to react to), and then move her dozens of meters away in an instant. Theres a reason the 2nd and 3rd hokage praised his shunshin speed when he reached the battlefield way ahead of time, its kishi reestablishing that minato was once the fastest of his time, that is fact.

If thats to me, give me till tonight or tommorow to reply.

Feats don't lie man. All I've been getting is theoretical CIS scenarios, baseless implications, and opinions. Not one single feat that puts his speed on some godlike level like some people want it to be.

 

[Coolest Guy]

Blondie isn't beating Sasuke.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

He can't get past CT.​

Space Time Barrier?

 

[King Of Pop]

he doesnt clear jack. sasuke can take him

 

[Tantalus Thief]

This is alive Minato with KCM. Who does he beat? NOT IN ORDER

Sandaime Raikage
Win
Killer Bee
Win
Edo Itachi
Win
EMS Sasuke (no PS)
lose not completely sure
6POP
win
7G Gai
win
GokageNot sure

Here are my thoughts

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lmao Minato having better chakra control than Naruto, and teleporting CT are the funniest shit I've seen in this section. Him dodging 7th Gai is a mighty fine one. Or tagging EMS Sasuke :lol

 

[Gold Lightning]

If thats to me, give me till tonight or tommorow to reply.

Feats don't lie man. All I've been getting is theoretical CIS scenarios, baseless implications, and opinions. Not one single feat that puts his speed on some godlike level like some people want it to be.

Dont bother, why should i listen to you when both the author and databook has already reiterated this stuff countless times? His speed is godlike level, why? Because db4 states exactly that "praised amongst all ninja as the greatest in GODLIKE speed". (Whenever the term godlike speed is used in the db, it always refers to movement speed. Sasuke was described to have godlike speed, Ays raiton chakra mode was described to have godlike speed, kakashi kamui raikiri was described to have godlike speed, and minato is praised as the greatest in godlike speed). Trying to convince yourself that a character is slower than another character that already admitted he's slower means you arent worth listening to.

So kcm minato is slower than Ay too right? Gotcha.

 

[Valhorus]

Lmao Minato having better chakra control than Naruto, and teleporting CT are the funniest shit I've seen in this section. Him dodging 7th Gai is a mighty fine one. Or tagging EMS Sasuke :lol

Your post is the most garbage thing I have ever seen in this Forum , good thing I'm checking these garbage load of posts once per month .

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Minato clears through the majority, problems are..

Sasuke w/ Legged Susano'o and Enton.
Gokage (namely Lightened Ay) or Ohnoki boosted by Byakugo.

How is Sasuke such a problem? Lighted Ay isn't fast enough to compete with KM Minato.

Sasuke beats him.

How? Im very curious?