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Gai was fast enough to open the 7th Gate & strike Madara who was a Juubi Jin before he can do anything & you think Tsunade can pull something off that Madara couldn't?
Katsuyu counters Hirudora.
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Um no Gai forced Madara back...he was so fast that Madara had to block the attack instead of dodging it.
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Tsunade won't use Katsuyu for a battle, that is between shinobi.
Though yea katsuyu counters hirudora
Though yea katsuyu counters hirudora
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Those IMPACT MARKS prove he only connected twice which was madara blocking
The rest proves madara dodged
And gaara proves he isn't moving too fast for someone to not see or react to him
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Too bad, because that's exactly what happened. You're arguing against the manga. There are hit mark, therefore, there were multiple physical contacts. Either you accept it, or go into denial.
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You obviously couldn't be more wrong. Katsuyu is not withstanding the Hirudora by feats, and you haven't disproved it. Chou Shinra Tensei is a very strong attack, but the fact is, that the damage it does is so spread out that the power it outputs per unit area is far negligible, which is what makes it different to say, a bijuudama which vaporises entire mountains, hence why fodders were able to survive it without Katsuyu's aid(can you imagine them surviving a bijuu bomb if they were caught in the blast radius?). It's the same thing with the Juubi's Tenpenchii-it's a strong attack, but it's damage per unit area is low. This is why Madara's v3 Susanoo tanked the Tenpechii without a scratch, as did fodders with a cloak. Yet, a Hirudora from an exhausted 7th gate Gai who could barely move absolutely destroyed Madara's v3 Susanoo. Does this mean that the Hirudora is more powerful than the Tenpenchii? No, it doesn't, but it does more damage per unit area. Same principle with CST and Hirudora. Think of that bed of nails experiment-more nails are more deadly than a single nail, yet a single nail pierces, but a bed does not. Same principle here You have presented zero evidence that Katsuyu is more durable than a v3 Susanoo, and no, "they are different types of structures" is not an argument-durability is durability at the end fo the day. The fact that v3 was destroyed completely, means that to survive it, Katsuyu would have to be as durable as a v4 Susanoo, which withstood the impact of Mokujin slamming a TBB into it, and there's no evidence that Katsuyu has that level of durability.....
The Kisame example does not hold much water either-no pun intended. Hirudora works on the principle of gathering air pressure and is essentially an air cannon. It's much harder to gather air pressure under water. Furthermore, it had to get through Kisame's gigantic GSB first before getting to Kisame-he did not even come close to taking the brunt of the explosion, yet was still paralysed and couldn't fight properly. That, and the fact that he wasn't trying to kill him, explains that incident. Either way, there's no evidence that Katsuyu will protect Tsunade from it, and even if she could be a "meat shield", the first Hirudora destroys Katsuyu, and the second destroys Tsunade.
Edit: I've read some of your other points. The hit lines are obvious in the Madara/Gai exchange. Madara did NOT deal with Gai as easily as you claimed. How do you explain Madara one-shotting Minato with ease? Gai definitely pushed Madara in the 7th gate speed wise a little more than most could, including Tsunade. Gai blitzes and beats down Tsunade with the 7th gate, regardless of whether Katsuyu is summoned or not. Also, using the databook to prove your case is also stupid. It's littered with NLF and exaggerations. What we can conclude is that Katsuyu has a strong resistance to physical attacks, but there's zero evidence that she can tank something like Hirudora, which is like an air cannon and one of the strongest taijutsu-based attacks in the manga.
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Seems more like you didnt read the thread. I already proved Katsuyu takes damage differently so I dont want to hear anything about V3 which is nothing like Katsuyu and will take damage differently. Durability is not durability, not everything is the same, that is just a ridiculous notion.
You are completely ignoring the fact that Katsuyu absorbs physical impacts and the DB itself states she nullifies physicals hits. You are arguing against the manga facts. Where was it states that Susano does that? I will wait....
Where is it stated that Gai was not trying to kill Kisame? You can continue to say things like Hirudora used against Kisame wasnt that strong and all this BS but at the end of the day Kisame survived it will a pool of water, Katsuyu in front of Tsunade most definitely does.
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Oh yeah? Madara couldn't do anything except stepping back & blocking incoming attacks...Gai forced him to go into a defensive state...
It's funny, because he was carrying a TSB in his one hand. All he had to do with hit him with it and he would have been done. I am beyond surprised that people believe he gave Madara a hard time in 7th gate. Beyond surprised. Given that Madara, by his own admission, was playing around.
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Nope, you didn't prove jack.
-Tanking CST does not mean that Katsuyu tanks any physical attack, especially since Hirudora is stronger per unit area than CST.
-I've already explained it-Hirudora is weaker underwater due to it being harder to gather air pressure. To compound the problem, it had to outright overpower Kisame's attack, before it even got to Kisame. Not only was Kisame not in the epicenter of the explosion, he didn't take the brunt of the attack, and Gai obviously wanted as much Intel as possible, and didn't want to kill him.
- The above example is different to what the crux of your thread is. You're postulating that Katsuyu survives a DIRECT hit from Katsuyu, when a v3 Susanoo failed, and the fact that Katsuyu's best feat is surviving a weaker attack per unit area.
-Damage is damage. Unless you can prove that Katsuyu's durability is inbetween a v4 and PS, she's not tanking Hirudora. Unless you can prove that Katsuyu's durability is on par with a v4, she dies a horrible death, and Tsunade follows suit shortly after.
I already explained you can get intel from a dead body in the thread, so you have no evidence that Gai wasnt trying to kill Kisame aside from that is what you think. Which means nothing at all.
Again you are bringing complete BS, first Gai didnt want to kill Kisame now its harder to gather air pressire when its already been proven that
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and he was just below water so he could gather all the air he needed.Great V3 means nothing to Katsuyu as they are two different substances and take damage differently, can I say that Itachi and Konan will take Tsunade's hit the same way? Absolutely not, obviously it will kill one and latter wont be affected. Why because they are formed differently.
Same with Juugo and Suigestu, can I say that they will take the attacks in the same way? No I cannot, Juugo has a solid body while Suigestu has the ability to change his form.
Durability is NOT just durability.
I already showed you small Katsuyu clones took the full hit of CST and instead of being decimated because she couldnt be she got pushed back. CST created a gigantic crater and ate through the ground. I already showed you all of this.
- Katsuyu is immune to Physical attacks
- She absorbs impacts
- Her smaller parts took no damage from CST
- Kisame survived Hirudora with water
I have all that and all you have is your opinion and what V3 can survive.
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Don't bother using kisame because his daikodan reduced the power of hirudora so much it went from dozen times the size of gai to barely bigger than kisame's head.
Having a soft constitution wouldn't help, hirudora would likely chew and force its way through katsuyu, it would break apart like manda squeezing it.
Katsuyu would survive, obviously by putting herself back which is what the databook says and the manga shows, but tsunade or sakura hiding inside katsuyu would get hit, that can't be avoided.
Having a soft constitution wouldn't help, hirudora would likely chew and force its way through katsuyu, it would break apart like manda squeezing it.
Katsuyu would survive, obviously by putting herself back which is what the databook says and the manga shows, but tsunade or sakura hiding inside katsuyu would get hit, that can't be avoided.
She didnt break apart because Manda was squeezing too hard. She broke out to escape.
So water reduced the power but Katsuyu wont? She will reduce it further as she is a better shield than water. It will be the same situation and Tsunade would regenerate the damage she receives unlike Kisame who could not.
Either way Tsunade survives.
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