[VS] Katakuri VS

[Bogard]

So Mihawk is really the weakest Shichibukai to you??

As Riker said, Katakuri can still be the highest threat to the party regardless of strength.. it's his CoO that makes him dangerous to the plans..



How has Ichiji been portrayed as a "scrub"?

IYO?

I just want to know why you say that..

Mihawk is the only shichibukai with no revealed (frozen) bounty and is reserved for the last, so it proves my point if anything in that the best are usually reserved for the last. There obviously can have exceptions here and there, but it generally goes that route from simple power-scaling as well as the suspence in the manga in itself(you don't expect the final villain of the manga to be weaker than Arlong right?)


The Vinsmokes introduced so far have been portrayed to be scrubs. Yonji getting his face recked by Sanji. Niji's face cracked by Sanji and only gaining edge due to threat. The best one is actually Judge and even him didn't seem stronger than Sanji considering Sanji was portrayed to be fighting him while lost in his own thoughts and him having to protect himself with scrubs, and Sanji himself is fodder to yonko commanders with his current feats. The unknown factor may be Ichiji but with the way the other vinsmokes have been portrayed, nothing suggest to me he'd be that strong

 

[LBeezy]

Mihawk is the only shichibukai with no revealed (frozen) bounty and is reserved for the last, so it proves my point if anything in that the best are usually reserved for the last. There obviously can have exceptions here and there, but it generally goes that route from simple power-scaling as well as the suspence in the manga in itself(you don't expect the final villain of the manga to be weaker than Arlong right?)


The Vinsmokes introduced so far have been portrayed to be scrubs. Yonji getting his face recked by Sanji. Niji's face cracked by Sanji and only gaining edge due to threat. The best one is actually Judge and even him didn't seem stronger than Sanji considering Sanji was portrayed to be fighting him while lost in his own thoughts and him having to protect himself with scrubs, and Sanji himself is fodder to yonko commanders with his current feats. The unknown factor may be Ichiji but with the way the other vinsmokes have been portrayed, nothing suggest to me he'd be that strong

Oh okay.. I see what you're saying.

I guess for me, I'm just hoping that Ichiji (being the unknown, and last to be shown [like you said is usually the strongest]) will be way more powerful than his brothers.. mostly because I just want to see a good fight for Katakuri lol.

But yeah man, if it ends up being the way you said, and Ichiji is much closer to his brothers in terms of strength, then I can completely understand if you called him a scrub.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mihawk is the only shichibukai with no revealed (frozen) bounty and is reserved for the last so it proves my point if anything in that the best are usually reserved for the last. There obviously can have exceptions here and there, but it generally goes that route from simple power-scaling as well as the suspence in the manga in itself(you don't expect the final villain of the manga to be weaker than Arlong right?)

This is not at all what you said. You said Katakuri was INTRODUCED last, therefore he's the strongest. You did not say anything about being RESERVED for last, your argument relied on the concept of INTRODUCTION.

1. Portrayal places Katakuri higher than Cracker(higher bounty, last to be revealed, portrayed as the highest threat in the party according to Capone)

Don't backpedal now.

Either way, your argument fails, since there is no indication that Katakuri is being reserved for last. With Mihawk, we knew because he defeated Zoro and immediately proclaimed for him to come meet him once he's stronger, and the fact that Mihawk is the key part of achieving Zoro's dream. None of that applies to Katakuri. In fact, Oda has explicitly written it for them to avoid fighting PERIOD, so there's not even a plan for them to be fighting Katakuri at all(Though it might happen if the plan fails."

The Vinsmokes introduced so far have been portrayed to be scrubs. Yonji getting his face recked by Sanji.

That's Yonji. Saying the Vinsmokes are a whole because of Yonji's portrayal is like saying the Strawhats are scrubs because Usopp was beaten up by Trebol and Sugar.

Niji's face cracked by Sanji and only gaining edge due to threat.

Niji took no visible damage from that blow. His jaw was seemingly knocked out of place, which was immediately nullified by him setting it back with no consequences. There was no damage to him.

Not only that, but acting like one blow from Sanji dislocating Niji's jaw means he's trash is a pretty flawed argument. Chopper was able to knock a Pacifista backwards and draw blood from its mouth, which is more damage than Sanji did to Niji. And yet that Pacista was still as strong as the ENTIRE group of Strawhats.

Basing it one blow is very, very flawed, otherwise someone could link that panel of Chopper hitting the Pacifista and saying that he was clearly stronger because of it.

The best one is actually Judge and even him didn't seem stronger than Sanji considering Sanji was portrayed to be fighting him while lost in his own thoughts and him having to protect himself with scrubs, and Sanji himself is fodder to yonko commanders with his current feats.

Not every yonko commander is Cracker level. Snack wasn't. Doflamingo isn't and even if it is the case at the moment, by the time of wano arc, Luffy will be stronger, so there is nothing stopping current Zoro in accomplishing a feat Luffy couldn't

*inhales deeply*

Gotta love the smell of contradiction in the morning.

 

[Bogard]

This is not at all what you said. You said Katakuri was INTRODUCED last, therefore he's the strongest. You did not say anything about being RESERVED for last, your argument relied on the concept of INTRODUCTION.



Don't backpedal now.

Either way, your argument fails, since there is no indication that Katakuri is being reserved for last. With Mihawk, we knew because he defeated Zoro and immediately proclaimed for him to come meet him once he's stronger, and the fact that Mihawk is the key part of achieving Zoro's dream. None of that applies to Katakuri. In fact, Oda has explicitly written it for them to avoid fighting PERIOD, so there's not even a plan for them to be fighting Katakuri at all(Though it might happen if the plan fails."



That's Yonji. Saying the Vinsmokes are a whole because of Yonji's portrayal is like saying the Strawhats are scrubs because Usopp was beaten up by Trebol and Sugar.



Niji took no visible damage from that blow. His jaw was seemingly knocked out of place, which was immediately nullified by him setting it back with no consequences. There was no damage to him.

Not only that, but acting like one blow from Sanji dislocating Niji's jaw means he's trash is a pretty flawed argument. Chopper was able to knock a Pacifista backwards and draw blood from its mouth, which is more damage than Sanji did to Niji. And yet that Pacista was still as strong as the ENTIRE group of Strawhats.

Basing it one blow is very, very flawed, otherwise someone could link that panel of Chopper hitting the Pacifista and saying that he was clearly stronger because of it.





*inhales deeply*

Gotta love the smell of contradiction in the morning.

I was just giving one of the few reasons and even added that he is portrayed as the highest threat in Capone's plan which is the climax of this arc. Overall when you put all the pieces with one another, it sums it up. They are not supposed to be viewed as singular key points

And where is the contradiction in not every yonko commander being Cracker level and Sanji being fodder to yonko commanders exactly? Can't both be possible? There are like levels between them when yonko commanders are at least within Cracker's vicenery

Not going to bother with the vinsmokes jokes so far

 

[Punk Hazard]

I was just giving one of the few reasons and even added that he is portrayed as the highest threat in Capone's plan which is the climax of this arc. Overall when you put all the pieces with one another, it sums it up. They are not supposed to be viewed as singular key points

Why do you keep bringing up this "Highest threat" thing? Katakuri is NOT the highest threat because of combat ability, so it's not a feat that cements him as the strongest of the commander.

And where is the contradiction in not every yonko commander being Cracker level and Sanji being fodder to yonko commanders exactly? Can't both be possible? There are like levels between them when yonko commanders are at least within Cracker's vicenery

One post you try to say that not every commander is on the same level to justify suggesting Zoro can beat one. Then with Sanji, you lump them towards the same level to suggest can't beat any at all. Very interesting.

Not going to bother with the vinsmokes jokes so far

Because there ain't shit you can say to back up what you're saying. Sanji dislocating Niji's jaw, but causing zero damage, and Yonji being beaten up just ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Bogard]

Why do you keep bringing up this "Highest threat" thing? Katakuri is NOT the highest threat because of combat ability, so it's not a feat that cements him as the strongest of the commander.


One post you try to say that not every commander is on the same level to justify suggesting Zoro can beat one. Then with Sanji, you lump them towards the same level to suggest can't beat any at all. Very interesting.

Because there ain't shit you can say to back up what you're saying. Sanji dislocating Niji's jaw, but causing zero damage, and Yonji being beaten up just ain't gonna cut it.

It's about portrayal. Introduction reserved for the last, introduced with the highest bounty of the sweet commanders, and now portrayed as the highest threat in the main event of the arc. Group all of them together and you get a superior portrayal Katakuri received compared to the rest of the sweet commanders, simple as that. Once again it's not supposed to be viewed as singular points. And by the way, observation haki isn't a combat related ability now? Very interesting

Lmao i was just playing devils advocate since you seemed to like it in the other topic. I don't know(or care) if Zoro can beat a yonko commander, but was saying that nothing suggest he couldn't(whether they are Cracker level or not was irrelevant in my comparison). But even in that yonko commander comparison you cling onto, i never said yonko commanders were all the same level. I was saying that they aren't far from each other, in order to say that even the weakest can push someone like Cracker to high difficulty. It's to say that while i see some of the yonko commanders below Cracker's level(like Snack), they are still not too weak to lose to him with anything less than high difficulty, which is a range current Luffy should be able to beat(just like with Doflamingo). Sanji is pretty irrelevant in the discussion there as well since as far as i'm concerned, isn't portrayed to be Zoro level and thus could be fodder to yonko commanders without affecting Zoro's placement

What do i need to back up concerning the Vinsmokes who have no relevant hype, no relevant portrayal and whose only feats are pretty weak? It's the vinsmokes who have to prove themselves here, not me

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's about portrayal. Introduction reserved for the last, introduced with the highest bounty of the sweet commanders, and now portrayed as the highest threat in the main event of the arc. Group all of them together and you get a superior portrayal Katakuri received compared to the rest of the sweet commanders, simple as that. Once again it's not supposed to be viewed as singular points. And by the way, observation haki isn't a combat related ability now? Very interesting

Yeah you're reaching hard as ****. TIL Mihawk is the weakest Shichibukai, Sugar was the strongest subordinate in Doffy's crew, and Usopp is stronger than Sanji.

What do i need to back up concerning the Vinsmokes who have no relevant hype, no relevant portrayal and whose only feats are pretty weak? It's the vinsmokes who have to prove themselves here, not me

That's exactly why what you're saying is stupid. Oda has left them neutral on all of those fronts. They haven't been positively or negatively portrayed. Saying they're weak is like saying the Gorosei is weak because they haven't been hyped, had portrayal, or have shown feats.

What has been shown AGAINST them? Cause Sanji failing to damage Niji's jaw isn't one.

 

[A v i]

The Vinsmoke family is so strong that Oda had to use cheap tricks and emotional blackmails inorder to make sure that the worlds strongest man Sanji doesn't own his family in two chapters. That's some decent portrayal right there. I don't think someone as weak as Dogtooth can beat them as he's apparently, one of the weakest members of Big Mom Pirates now a days.

 

[Bogard]

The Vinsmoke family is so strong that Oda had to use cheap tricks and emotional blackmails inorder to make sure that the worlds strongest man Sanji doesn't own his family in two chapters. That's some decent portrayal right there. I don't think someone as weak as Dogtooth can beat them as he's apparently, one of the weakest members of Big Mom Pirates now a days.

Lmao this was funny. Though his name is Katakuri, not Dogtooth. I really blame *********** for this lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

The Vinsmoke family is so strong that Oda had to use cheap tricks and emotional blackmails inorder to make sure that the worlds strongest man Sanji doesn't own his family in two chapters. That's some decent portrayal right there. I don't think someone as weak as Dogtooth can beat them as he's apparently, one of the weakest members of Big Mom Pirates now a days.

This is such a stupid post, considering it's satirizing comments no one made.

 

[A v i]

This is such a stupid post, considering it's satirizing comments no one made.

Thank you for your valuable input.

I wasn't criticizing anyone by the way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thank you for your valuable input.

I wasn't criticizing anyone by the way.

So you made a laughably condescending post to mock posts that exist only inside your imagination.

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[A v i]

So you made a laughably condescending post to mock posts that exist only inside your imagination.

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Which part of that post looks like I was mocking someone again? O_O

It's as if you won't be satisfied unless I admit that I am mocking someone in this thread. Do you want me to say that I am mocking you or something?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Which part of that post looks like I was mocking someone again? O_O

It's as if you won't be satisfied unless I admit that I am mocking someone in this thread. Do you want me to say that I am mocking you or something?

You're seriously trying to pretend that "Dogtooth is the weakest member of BM's crew" and "Sanji is the world's strongest man" wasn't sarcastic mocking? I know many people in this thread have appeared like children, but you must think this thread actually is populated by children if you think this backpedaling nonsense is gonna fool anyone.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're seriously trying to pretend that "Dogtooth is the weakest member of BM's crew" and "Sanji is the world's strongest man" wasn't sarcastic mocking? I know many people in this thread have appeared like children, but you must think this thread actually is populated by children if you think this backpedaling nonsense is gonna fool anyone.

What's wrong with that, you have no proof Dogtooth can't be the weakest member of BM's crew.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What's wrong with that, you have no proof Dogtooth can't be the weakest member of BM's crew.

Sure, that isn't wrong. But that's not the point. The point is Avi said that mockingly, which is blatant from the tone of his post. Hence why it's a rather dumb post, since he's mocking statements he made up in his own head.

 

[A v i]

You're seriously trying to pretend that "Dogtooth is the weakest member of BM's crew" and "Sanji is the world's strongest man" wasn't sarcastic mocking? I know many people in this thread have appeared like children, but you must think this thread actually is populated by children if you think this backpedaling nonsense is gonna fool anyone.

Seems like you know me better than I do! Will you be satisfied if I say that was mocking you with my post?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Seems like you know me better than I do! Will you be satisfied if I say that was mocking you with my post?

No, since that STILL would leave you mocking posts that were never made.

 

[A v i]

No, since that STILL would leave you mocking posts that were never made.

Except that I was mocking no one.

 

[babaGAReeb]

dogtooth is such a gay looking and shitty character

he looks like some jojo ripoff