KARUMA should have YIN -YANG [DISCUSSION]

[u wanna die]

I would agree, but I already have some theories that sort of counter some of your thoughts, though if you are right then this is logical.

However, 1) I don't think only one part of Kurama's chakra was taken, I think it was half of his full, collective, and possible chakra that was taken, not just Yin chakra. My reasoning is that Yin- and Yang-Chakra are inside all beings in Narutoverse based on what was said on chakra in the beginning of the show. Yin=Physical Energy/Body/Life Force and Yang=Spiritual Energy/Mind/Imagination which is available to all and without Yin there would be no body. In other words, if all of Kurama's Yin was taken he would not have a body, but instead half of both Ying/Yang were taken which explains why he was reduced to such smaller proportions.

And, 2) I think there may be a possibility that feeding on Naruto's "Bright and warm" Chakra, like Karin once said, has changed Kurama which may explain his change of heart and picking up Naruto's cause since chakra can be infused with feelings or motives, except senjutsu since it has none of that, so it remains neutral like the Juubi.

1 . bro its the other around i think.. yin = spiritual yang = physical

2. agree

 

[bukog]

very good thread .. i enjoy reading it

 

[Narutohokage7]

Its a LONG READ AHEAD , kindly read it from top to bottom

The reason I don't like to discuss these is that Naruto's feats are object of conflicts in this forum. Otherwise, it should be clear that Kurama has both his Yin and Yang. Why?

In my opinion, Yin and Yang are chakra, and they are not will. People can grow their body, so does the tailed beasts. Kurama grew within Naruto while feeding on Naruto's chakra. The manga state clearly that for every beat of Kurama's chakra Naruto uses, Kurama chops an equivalent amount of Naruto's chakra which is a combination of Yin/Yang. Here are some links to reference the fact that Kurama feed on Naruto's chakra.

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"Wheter kyuubi actually has taken Naruto's chakra through his whole life or only after Naruto opened the key" and i think it's the latter, cuz otherwise Naruto would be toasted, if Kyuubi would take his chakra up.
That's why i believe that Kyuubi might have taken only small portion of Naruto chakra after he opened key and that might have caused growing. Certainlly Kyuubi si not as big or strong as he was when he attacked Konoha.
Taking[sealing with shiki fujin] yin chakra as Minato did, has made kurama much less stronger.


Given that Kurama feed on Naruto's chakra, it is clear that Kurama can replenish either of his chakra over time. The reason many people don't like the idea of Kurama having his Yin is that they think Naruto will do some Genjutsu. Besides, check this:

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Here Kurama said that because of the prison, he could give Naruto only a tiny bit of his chakra. Then, the question is what Naruto took from Kurama during the chakra war? Was it not Kurama's chakra?

I believe that Naruto has taken kyuubi's chakra soul, hatred , will ...it just comes with it and its only a matter of subdueing it ... what's really unclear is which chakra did naruto subdue and how much is of that chakra..Was that only a partial chakra, was that chakra Kyuubi has at that point...if bijuu recreates itself or reincarnates after he's dead it certainly means that he is collecting chakra for growth, but also we have seen kyuubi junior, it would mean that it also requires some time to grow.

But let's go back on the topic :

I still think that part of Kyuubi' chakra is sealed in Shiki fujin..and more will Naruto use KM, more chakra especially dormant yin powers of naruto, kyuubi will take. As u suggested kyuubi will grow stronger and bigger.
He certainly wasn't bigger than other bijuus, but he should have been big of epic proportions, when Madara for example confronted him.

And the whole point is, whether naruto will be able to use Yin which probably Kurama is collecting.

I agree, excellent thread.

 

[u wanna die]

I agree, excellent thread.

thank you sir

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

I only partially understand what you said, and what I did understand, it made sense.

 

[u wanna die]

I only partially understand what you said, and what I did understand, it made sense.

haha ... well... thank you ...

 

[The Western Wheel]

Refreshing to read... and very plausible.

 

[November]

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[KGB Kakuzu]

I csn agree with that! Figure the Sage had creation of all things which I think was yin-Yang, and the Juubi was capable of creating and destroying land so it would make sense that these properties fell with the split up Juubi.

 

[u wanna die]

Refreshing to read... and very plausible.

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thankz guys

 

[u wanna die]

I csn agree with that! Figure the Sage had creation of all things which I think was yin-Yang, and the Juubi was capable of creating and destroying land so it would make sense that these properties fell with the split up Juubi.

yes.. another way to sum it up

thankz

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think he can get his Yin chakra back by taking it from Naruto's chakra that he absorbed.

"Here Kurama said that because of the prison, he could give Naruto only a tiny bit of his chakra. Then, the question is what Naruto took from Kurama during the chakra war? Was it not Kurama's chakra? "

Naruto opened the cage to fight Kurama so him only being able to get a little bit of hit doesn't apply here.


1. The Kyuubi has A LOT of chakra, so him taking Naruto's chakra isn't going to replenish his Yin chakra.

2. He was only taking Naruto's chakra from his defeat by Naruto, up until mid war. He doesn't normally absorb chakra from him.

I don't think his Yin chakra can just recover.

 

[u wanna die]

I don't think he can get his Yin chakra back by taking it from Naruto's chakra that he absorbed.

"Here Kurama said that because of the prison, he could give Naruto only a tiny bit of his chakra. Then, the question is what Naruto took from Kurama during the chakra war? Was it not Kurama's chakra? "

Naruto opened the cage to fight Kurama so him only being able to get a little bit of hit doesn't apply here.


1. The Kyuubi has A LOT of chakra, so him taking Naruto's chakra isn't going to replenish his Yin chakra.

2. He was only taking Naruto's chakra from his defeat by Naruto, up until mid war. He doesn't normally absorb chakra from him.

I don't think his Yin chakra can just recover.

1. it was stated in the manga every ... karuma is feeding naruto chakra every time naruto use tech/jutso ... well my theory is the chakra of naruto is part yin yang so logically ... what karuma takes from naruto is yin yang chakra.

2. i also pointed out and i believe that only when naruto open the seal .. thats the start where kurama feeds with naruto chakra

 

[htmwall]

i think you're wrong,what naruto pulled from kurama is chakra but he couldn't pull all of kurama's chakra one time or else he'll be able to go BM from the start.
kurama's yin chakra was sealed away for a reason,the yin chakra basically defines the physical form of chakra which is in this case the fox's form,that means if naruto had kurama's yin chakra,his BM will be like Bee's,kurama in full flesh which is not really good for battle because if you noticed when hachibi got injured bee was too,unlike naruto kurama's tail were cut and he didn't even feel a thing,plus the fact that this chakra can expand and change form(like kurama's tails turned to hands) is more combat favorable.

 

[LordSasukeOfSixPaths]

this makes sense, i wouldnt be shocked if they explain this happens in the manga, good job *****

 

[KidGamer65]

1. it was stated in the manga every ... karuma is feeding naruto chakra every time naruto use tech/jutso ... well my theory is the chakra of naruto is part yin yang so logically ... what karuma takes from naruto is yin yang chakra.

2. i also pointed out and i believe that only when naruto open the seal .. thats the start where kurama feeds with naruto chakra

1. Where was this stated? I've never seen it before..can you post a scan?

2. But he wouldn't be able to get it all back by just taking from Naruto because Nine Tails has much more chakra than Naruto.

 

[u wanna die]

i think you're wrong,what naruto pulled from kurama is chakra but he couldn't pull all of kurama's chakra one time or else he'll be able to go BM from the start.
kurama's yin chakra was sealed away for a reason,the yin chakra basically defines the physical form of chakra which is in this case the fox's form,that means if naruto had kurama's yin chakra,his BM will be like Bee's,kurama in full flesh which is not really good for battle because if you noticed when hachibi got injured bee was too,unlike naruto kurama's tail were cut and he didn't even feel a thing,plus the fact that this chakra can expand and change form(like kurama's tails turned to hands) is more combat favorable.

im not talking about naruto pulling karuma chakra ... im pointing out how karuma can renew his yin chakra... maybe you missed that part....

and yin i believe relates to spiritual energy... or maybe im wrong..

 

[u wanna die]

1. Where was this stated? I've never seen it before..can you post a scan?

2. But he wouldn't be able to get it all back by just taking from Naruto because Nine Tails has much more chakra than Naruto.

1. its in my thread... isnt that a fact ?

2. im not saying he will get it all.. thats why i also mention he needs to replenish it overtime...

 

[MLX]

Didn't Minato said it was permanently sealed?

(eventually saying that there's now way to get it back).



BUT if Naruto get yin/yang creation power, he will be able to recreate Kurama's yin, right?

 

[htmwall]

im not talking about naruto pulling karuma chakra ... im pointing out how karuma can renew his yin chakra... maybe you missed that part....

and yin i believe relates to spiritual energy... or maybe im wrong..

nope yin represents physical energy,look at susanoo it's made of yin chakra,it's wasn't said a chakra given a physical form for nothing.