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Always that AoE. Last time I checked Naruto and Sasuke had to be in that 210 Meters AoE but were entirely unharmed. Where was Tsunade's AoE against Madara?
 

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Always that AoE. Last time I checked Naruto and Sasuke had to be in that 210 Meters AoE but were entirely unharmed. Where was Tsunade's AoE against Madara?

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Always that AoE. Last time I checked Naruto and Sasuke had to be in that 210 Meters AoE but were entirely unharmed. Where was Tsunade's AoE against Madara?

dey r mayn caracter so dey automaticly resist da AoE it plot sheeld.
 

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Always that AoE. Last time I checked Naruto and Sasuke had to be in that 210 Meters AoE but were entirely unharmed. Where was Tsunade's AoE against Madara?

They weren't she jumped infront of them as seen they only really got the breeze and a few pebbles from the impact where they were. AoE is hardly the deciding factor of this fight. She can simply beat karin with shown skills. Tsunade vs madara is irrelevant to using a feat in a vs thread if we want, not because tsunade didnt use it.
 

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Ohh god not that shit again about Sakura and Tsunade being long range... It's true that they can deal damage at long range with attacks that cause huge destruction like this, but against many high level shinobi that will only deal minor damage as the strength of the attack is obviously much lower than at center.
To actually deal some major damage they will have to land a direct hit. And look at Karin's regeneration! She got pierced by several huge spikes, yet she regenerated in almost an instant. It's pretty

And Katsuyu acid?? Really?? I really hate how people always bring this up despite the fact that we have only seen it used like once. It's not as long range as the chains and I doubt that would kill Karin either with her regeneration (Though i'll admit it would cause some damage).
In first place, yes, both the Shockwave caused in the ground by CES and Katsuyu's acid are range-type attacks, deal with it, i thought it was kind of implied. But I did forgot, my bad, about her other range type attack, and of course i am talking about her sleeping-gas grenades.
It's funny the fact that just because Katsuyu's acid appeared only once in the manga, you think that feat shouldn't be considered. If we all believed that way, Karin's chains would be off the table too, and we wouldn't be debating about Sakura vs Karin, because we both know how would it end up ;) .
And about her chains disappearing. Plz note that Karin was pierced by 1 claw and Karin was pierced by 5 huge spikes. And how easy they disappear doesn't show anything about how strong they are. From what we've seen I'd say Karins are stronger. After all she took down the freaking Shinsu Senju with that thing!! (Although not Hashiramas version, but it's still freaking impressive!) Kushina only hold down the Kyuubi for a while.
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When Spiral Zetsu attacked her, there is just one stake stabbing her (in her stomach), the stake didn't even get her back yet and the chains are already breaking. They faded away when the stakes went all through her body, and they didn't even came back when she regenerate herself (just pointing it out).

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Got totally pierced in one shot, and her chains didn't even twinkle. Ok, only one of them broke, but that was because another claw of the Kyuubi cut it, which proves they aren't unbreakable ;) .

And that's what i meant, Kushina's jutsu is stronger in every way, she can wrap a Bijuu size creature efficiently, she has more chains and they doesn't disappear with the first injury she get, please remember she had the Kyuubi extracted 2 chapters before that.

OMG! Why people think Karin took down the Shinsu Senju (Wooden Statue)????
She broke some of its arms/hands, and besides i strongly thinks it can regenerate itself as well, there is a manga scan, two pages after the big power up was unleashed, where the Shinsu Senju is shown from the back in perfect condition!!

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About the last part: I'll agree this alone doesn't make Karin one of the more powerful characters in the war or anything, but neither is Sakura. And i'll Say Karin definitely seems like the stronger of the 2. And the amount of chains is no big issue if each of them can cause that much damage.
Sakura can cause greater damage in one shot, than Karin. Sakura had other fights, she has more experience and she has better feats that make it likely for her to be faster than Karin. And i know, Karin has better regeneration feats, but they cost too much chakra, she can't heal forever.

Besides, Sakura has many battle-smart feats i would be more than happy to show them to you:
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To sum up:
  • Finding Kakashi, by evacuating any other alternative.
  • Memorizing hand and strings movement pattern in order to foresight Sasori's attacks, only with observation.
  • Fooling Sasori, making him believe she was badly injured and poisoned, setting him a trap that left the fourth Kazekage's puppet destroyed.
  • Figuring out Tobi's jutsu before anyone, only with observation.
  • Fooling Sai, Lee and Kiba.
  • Discovering the spy in the Medical Squad, and realizing how Zetsu's jutsu worked, just with observation and Yamato's report.
 
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Always that AoE. Last time I checked Naruto and Sasuke had to be in that 210 Meters AoE but were entirely unharmed. Where was Tsunade's AoE against Madara?

Madara has Susanoo so punching the ground can't damage him.
Her AoE is 105 meters in each directions. Naruto and Sasuke were pretty far from her.
 

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@ red Or with other words you can't counter my points.
@bold Even Sakura can blitz someone like Karin who has 0 combat feats.

Not really. I literally stopped reading.

I'm not gonna argue with someone who says that Sakura can blitz anyone. That's just beyond retarded, so it would be a waste of my time to argue with someone like that.
 

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Not really. I literally stopped reading.

I'm not gonna argue with someone who says that Sakura can blitz anyone. That's just beyond retarded, so it would be a waste of my time to argue with someone like that
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Keep telling this to yourself.
 

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Karin can take on the Gokage with Extremely high diff.
 

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In first place, yes, both the Shockwave caused in the ground by CES and Katsuyu's acid are range-type attacks, deal with it, i thought it was kind of implied. But I did forgot, my bad, about her other range type attack, and of course i am talking about her sleeping-gas grenades.
It's funny the fact that just because Katsuyu's acid appeared only once in the manga, you think that feat shouldn't be considered. If we all believed that way, Karin's chains would be off the table too, and we wouldn't be debating about Sakura vs Karin, because we both know how would it end up ;).

Did I say they weren't ranged?? I never denied that. SLEEPING-GAS GRENADES!!?!?!? you might as well mention Kunais and Shurikens now that you're at it. Sry, but first of all those things we're just there for the plot, 2nd how is using Sleep Grenades a feat for Sakur?? Any shinobi could do that if they had some. And since the OP doesn't mention any sleep grenades Karin might as well have them as Sakura might. 3rd: If they're really useful in a real combat situation, then how come Sakura hasn't used them during the war?

And I wasn't implying that the Acid shouldn't be considered. What I'm saying is that we've only seen it once and it wasn't even that impressive. All it did was miss it's target and then slowly melt some rocks.

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When Spiral Zetsu attacked her, there is just one stake stabbing her (in her stomach), the stake didn't even get her back yet and the chains are already breaking. They faded away when the stakes went all through her body, and they didn't even came back when she regenerate herself (just pointing it out).

Are you blind? He might just have hit her with 1 spike, but look at what came out of her on the other side. It's obvious that he used Wood Style to grow out several spikes. And the chains already breaking before the stake got back is just stupid. Of cause it's at the moment she gets pierced that she takes the most damage, so why would it disappear afterwards instead of at that moment? The fact that they didn't came back when she regenerated is lame. By that time Suigetsu and Oro had taken care of Spiral Zetsu anyways, so why would she waste chakra on making the chains reappear?

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Got totally pierced in one shot, and her chains didn't even twinkle. Ok, only one of them broke, but that was because another claw of the Kyuubi cut it, which proves they aren't unbreakable ;) .

And that's what i meant, Kushina's jutsu is stronger in every way, she can wrap a Bijuu size creature efficiently, she has more chains and they doesn't disappear with the first injury she get, please remember she had the Kyuubi extracted 2 chapters before that.

OMG! Why people think Karin took down the Shinsu Senju (Wooden Statue)????
She broke some of its arms/hands, and besides i strongly thinks it can regenerate itself as well, there is a manga scan, two pages after the big power up was unleashed, where the Shinsu Senju is shown from the back in perfect condition!!

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Bold: Just like Karin.
And I never claimed they we're unbreakable so that's irrelevant.
And how would you prove that Kushinas jutsu is stronger?? As you said: It WRAPPED a bijuu. Karin's chains chopped up the Shinsu Senju! She obviously did take down the Shinsu Senju (Or at least dealt major damage to it and intercepted it for quite a bit of time) she chopped down several of it's arms as it was about to attack her. And yes, it can probably regenerate, but Karin chopped up it's arms before it could attack her, why would that matter? And saying the Shinsu Senju is in perfect condition just from seeing it's back is quite ridiculous. Sure it still has hands on the back, but what about the arms on the front?? You can definitely see that one of them has been chopped up.

Sakura can cause greater damage in one shot, than Karin. Sakura had other fights, she has more experience and she has better feats that make it likely for her to be faster than Karin. And i know, Karin has better regeneration feats, but they cost too much chakra, she can't heal forever.

Besides, Sakura has many battle-smart feats i would be more than happy to show them to you:
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To sum up:
  • Finding Kakashi, by evacuating any other alternative.
  • Memorizing hand and strings movement pattern in order to foresight Sasori's attacks, only with observation.
  • Fooling Sasori, making him believe she was badly injured and poisoned, setting him a trap that left the fourth Kazekage's puppet destroyed.
  • Figuring out Tobi's jutsu before anyone, only with observation.
  • Fooling Sai, Lee and Kiba.
  • Discovering the spy in the Medical Squad, and realizing how Zetsu's jutsu worked, just with observation and Yamato's report.

Greater damage in 1 hit?? If she lands a direct hit I agree. But Karin can use 5 long range chains that can cause severe damage (More than Sakuras punch does at long range), so I'd say she still has the superior attack.
Saying she has more experience than a character that we don't really know the backstory of it just stupid. You simply can't prove that. Also regenerating with Byakugo takes up a lot of chakra as well (And just to point it out, we still haven't seen Sakura regenerate with it, however she's apparently almost out of chakra :p)

And sure Sakura has a few battle-smart feats, but nothing to impressive. Compared to Sasuke and Naruto she's still behind when it comes to "Combat Intelligence" or whatever you wanna call it.
 

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All of this Karin overrating is pathetic.

Danzo didn't even need to use chakra on her.
 

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Did I say they weren't ranged?? I never denied that. SLEEPING-GAS GRENADES!!?!?!? you might as well mention Kunais and Shurikens now that you're at it. Sry, but first of all those things we're just there for the plot, 2nd how is using Sleep Grenades a feat for Sakur?? Any shinobi could do that if they had some. And since the OP doesn't mention any sleep grenades Karin might as well have them as Sakura might. 3rd: If they're really useful in a real combat situation, then how come Sakura hasn't used them during the war?
  • Of course sleeping-gas grenades would be useful for any shinobi, but the fact is that we only have seen Sakura being able to prepare them , not just any shinobi. She didn't use them in the war because she didn't get to fight much, and probably because none of her fights required that kind of tactic, remember she only fought against Zutsu and Juubi-clones.
  • This is why i said that about long range, your words:
    Ohh god not that shit again about Sakura and Tsunade being long range...
    They certainly aren't long-range fighters, but they have some powerful ranged attacks anyway...
And I wasn't implying that the Acid shouldn't be considered. What I'm saying is that we've only seen it once and it wasn't even that impressive. All it did was miss it's target and then slowly melt some rocks.
They were used against a big, fast serpent which evaded it. But you think Karin has a chance?
Are you blind? He might just have hit her with 1 spike, but look at what came out of her on the other side. It's obvious that he used Wood Style to grow out several spikes. And the chains already breaking before the stake got back is just stupid. Of cause it's at the moment she gets pierced that she takes the most damage, so why would it disappear afterwards instead of at that moment? The fact that they didn't came back when she regenerated is lame. By that time Suigetsu and Oro had taken care of Spiral Zetsu anyways, so why would she waste chakra on making the chains reappear?
No, I am not blind, and i am repeating myself, she got stabbed, but even when the branches hadn't reached her back the chains were already broken, and when she got totally pierced the chains faded away. Kushina had her Bijuu extracted and got totally pierced, and her jutsu didn't even bend. That's the difference. I don't understand what you are missing.
I was just pointing out the fat that they didn't reappeared, Spiral Zetsu was not defeated yet, so I don't see why wouldn't she, but anyway, maybe you are right and she was relying on her comrades.
Bold: Just like Karin.
And I never claimed they we're unbreakable so that's irrelevant.
And how would you prove that Kushinas jutsu is stronger?? As you said: It WRAPPED a bijuu. Karin's chains chopped up the Shinsu Senju! She obviously did take down the Shinsu Senju (Or at least dealt major damage to it and intercepted it for quite a bit of time) she chopped down several of it's arms as it was about to attack her. And yes, it can probably regenerate, but Karin chopped up it's arms before it could attack her, why would that matter? And saying the Shinsu Senju is in perfect condition just from seeing it's back is quite ridiculous. Sure it still has hands on the back, but what about the arms on the front?? You can definitely see that one of them has been chopped up.
  • Yes, Kushina paralyzed the Kyuubi after having it extracted. Are you trying to imply wrapping and paralyzing the Kyuubi and destroying some of the hands of that Mini-Shinsu Senju Spiral Zetsu made are even comparable?
    Do I have to say how Kushina's chains didn't disappear due to her pain again??
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  • @Underlined: So now taking down a thousand-handed monster means breaking some of its hands and intercept it for quite a bit of time??? Please...
  • @Blue: About to attack her? All we know is she was hidden crying, and all of a sudden she recklessly confronted the Shinsu Senju with her technique.
Sorry, but saying that Karin took it down is just too far from the truth.
Greater damage in 1 hit?? If she lands a direct hit I agree. But Karin can use 5 long range chains that can cause severe damage (More than Sakuras punch does at long range), so I'd say she still has the superior attack.
Saying she has more experience than a character that we don't really know the backstory of it just stupid. You simply can't prove that. Also regenerating with Byakugo takes up a lot of chakra as well (And just to point it out, we still haven't seen Sakura regenerate with it, however she's apparently almost out of chakra :p)
I am backing up myself with manga feats to determine that Sakura is a more experienced fighter. Karin has a backstory, was shown when she was stabbed by Sasuke.
It's funny that you talked about Sakura's regeneration, since i already admitted Karin's has better regeneration feats, but it is true that she can heal like 2 people in a row (depends on the gravity of the wounds, i guess), and she runs out of chakra. Remember she couldn't even heal the chest injury Sasuke did to her, after healing Sasuke twice, the first time in the Kage Reunion, and the second one after Danzou. Also, Juugo decided to heal Sasuke when he was attacked by Bee's Lariat, because he said that Karin didn't have enough chakra, but she only had healed Sasuke once and had used her sensor skill a couple of times.
And sure Sakura has a few battle-smart feats, but nothing to impressive. Compared to Sasuke and Naruto she's still behind when it comes to "Combat Intelligence" or whatever you wanna call it.
Not sure if serious. Sakura has always been the most intelligent member of team 7, except for Kakashi, maybe.
Sasuke admitted to be inferior to her in analytic skills in part 1, even the Third Databook praise her intelligence with a level 4, superior to Sasuke's and Naruto's. She just doesn't get to fight much, and that make sense, because she is a medical ninja after all, her main role is healing wounded allies.
 
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People are still debating this, Sakura shits on Karin low diff....
 

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  • Of course sleeping-gas grenades would be useful for any shinobi, but the fact is that we only have seen Sakura being able to prepare them , not just any shinobi. She didn't use them in the war because she didn't get to fight much, and probably because none of her fights required that kind of tactic, remember she only fought against Zutsu and Juubi-clones.
  • This is why i said that about long range, your words:

    They certainly aren't long-range fighters, but they have some powerful ranged attacks anyway...

They were used against a big, fast serpent which evaded it. But you think Karin has a chance?

No, I am not blind, and i am repeating myself, she got stabbed, but even when the branches hadn't reached her back the chains were already broken, and when she got totally pierced the chains faded away. Kushina had her Bijuu extracted and got totally pierced, and her jutsu didn't even bend. That's the difference. I don't understand what you are missing.
I was just pointing out the fat that they didn't reappeared, Spiral Zetsu was not defeated yet, so I don't see why wouldn't she, but anyway, maybe you are right and she was relying on her comrades.

  • Yes, Kushina paralyzed the Kyuubi after having it extracted. Are you trying to imply wrapping and paralyzing the Kyuubi and destroying some of the hands of that Mini-Shinsu Senju Spiral Zetsu made are even comparable?
    Do I have to say how Kushina's chains didn't disappear due to her pain again??
  • @Bold: Only broke a few arms, nothing more:
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  • @Underlined: So now taking down a thousand-handed monster means breaking some of its hands and intercept it for quite a bit of time??? Please...
  • @Blue: About to attack her? All we know is she was hidden crying, and all of a sudden she recklessly confronted the Shinsu Senju with her technique.
Sorry, but saying that Karin took it down is just too far from the truth.

I am backing up myself with manga feats to determine that Sakura is a more experienced fighter. Karin has a backstory, was shown when she was stabbed by Sasuke.
It's funny that you talked about Sakura's regeneration, since i already admitted Karin's has better regeneration feats, but it is true that she can heal like 2 people in a row (depends on the gravity of the wounds, i guess), and she runs out of chakra. Remember she couldn't even heal the chest injury Sasuke did to her, after healing Sasuke twice, the first time in the Kage Reunion, and the second one after Danzou. Also, Juugo decided to heal Sasuke when he was attacked by Bee's Lariat, because he said that Karin didn't have enough chakra, but she only had healed Sasuke once and had used her sensor skill a couple of times.

Not sure if serious. Sakura has always been the most intelligent member of team 7, except for Kakashi, maybe.
Sasuke admitted to be inferior to her in analytic skills in part 1, even the Third Databook praise her intelligence with a level 4, superior to Sasuke's and Naruto's. She just doesn't get to fight much, and that make sense, because she is a medical ninja after all, her main role is healing wounded allies.

Sry, but I'm getting bored with this discussion and you're continuing to misunderstand me.

Just gonna point out a few things:
They were used against a big, fast serpent which evaded it. But you think Karin has a chance?
Gotta love how you put the word big in there, cause that totally helps it evade right?? Nope! Bigger target = Easier to hit. But ofc I'll admit it's faster than Karin, though. Still my point was not that Karin can dodge it (Though she might be able to, but it's hard to say at this point so lets just say she can't), my point is simply that the jutsu is highly overrated overall. And as I pointed out it only melted some rocks slowly. For example if we compare it to something like Mei's Boil Mist (Which melted the bones of Susanoo) It's not that impressive.

•Yes, Kushina paralyzed the Kyuubi after having it extracted. Are you trying to imply wrapping and paralyzing the Kyuubi and destroying some of the hands of that Mini-Shinsu Senju Spiral Zetsu made are even comparable?
Do I have to say how Kushina's chains didn't disappear due to her pain again??
Mini Shinsu?? I'll admit it's not the full thing, but it's obviously not just some cheap copy either. It could literally have taken down the 5 kages if Hiruzen hadn't been there to save them!! (I'll admit that's cause they we're low on chakra, but it's still freaking impressive)And it can also use the 5 elements at once, something we didn't see from the Real Shinsu. And Mini is a ridiculous word to use considering that it's still freaking Huge. And stop with "destroying some of the hands" she gave the thing a massive beating!! Sure, it still survived, but it's in bad shape.
So you're right wrapping the Kyuubi for a short amount of time and beating the crap out of a Shinsu that could take down the 5 kage definetly IS NOT comparable.

AND NO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FREAKING REPEAT YOURSELF ABOUT THOSE DAMN CHAINS! I already pointed out that it doesn't show anything about how strong her jutsu is overall.
 

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Does any ninja? Karin and kushina solo the whole of NV?

Can't say I am surprised though, I thought this chapter people would find something to try and degrade Sakura yet again as it is every week she gets panel time.

Hashirama , Madara , Juubito , SO6P , BSM Nardo and , Bm Tobirama say high. The latter two easily have higher durability as they don't have flesh but pure chackra so they can tank almost everything.
 

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Just wanted to point out that Karin obviously let Spiral Zetsu stab her.
 

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I don't exactly like either character, but I'll need better feats from Karin to prove that she can fight on par with Sakura. The chains she used aren't impressive.
 

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Sry, but I'm getting bored with this discussion and you're continuing to misunderstand me.

Just gonna point out a few things:

Gotta love how you put the word big in there, cause that totally helps it evade right?? Nope! Bigger target = Easier to hit. But ofc I'll admit it's faster than Karin, though. Still my point was not that Karin can dodge it (Though she might be able to, but it's hard to say at this point so lets just say she can't), my point is simply that the jutsu is highly overrated overall. And as I pointed out it only melted some rocks slowly. For example if we compare it to something like Mei's Boil Mist (Which melted the bones of Susanoo) It's not that impressive.
Of course i pointed it out, it was a big serpent after all, even if it doesn't help proving my point, it is still true.
However, this doesn't mean it couldn't move fast enough to evade attacks, apparently, moving fast to evade attacks and enemies, is the "thing" of boss serpents summons:
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The thing with Katuyu's acid is that if it can melt rocks it can definitly melt human flesh.

Mini Shinsu?? I'll admit it's not the full thing, but it's obviously not just some cheap copy either. It could literally have taken down the 5 kages if Hiruzen hadn't been there to save them!! (I'll admit that's cause they we're low on chakra, but it's still freaking impressive)And it can also use the 5 elements at once, something we didn't see from the Real Shinsu. And Mini is a ridiculous word to use considering that it's still freaking Huge. And stop with "destroying some of the hands" she gave the thing a massive beating!! Sure, it still survived, but it's in bad shape.
So you're right wrapping the Kyuubi for a short amount of time and beating the crap out of a Shinsu that could take down the 5 kage definetly IS NOT comparable.
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    So that was the size of the Shinju Senju that fought against the Kyuubi, those are comparable in terms of power, not this copy Spiral Zetsu, and probably Yamato, made.
  • I don't think the statue is in bad shape, it only has some arms less, if you notice, all the pieces of wood that fell from the sky after the attack were hand-shaped, and it definitely can move, since it catch Spiral Zetsu. And since the cursed seal didn't last long on him, the Shinju Senju is still a threat for the rest of the army. In other words, Karin was only the reckless and improvised bait that make Spiral Zetsu low his guard, and became an easy target for Orochimaru's attack. And this is why I can't consider her performance as "massive beating" over the Shinju Senju.
AND NO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FREAKING REPEAT YOURSELF ABOUT THOSE DAMN CHAINS! I already pointed out that it doesn't show anything about how strong her jutsu is overall.
I will repeat myself, because your opinion is not backed up by anything, you are acting like a stubborn kid that doesn't want to admit it: Kushina's jutsu is stronger (more advanced) than Karin's.

When Spiral Zetsu attacked her, there is just one stake (Spiral Zetsu's wooden wand) stabbing her (in her stomach), the stake didn't even get her back yet and the chains were already breaking. You can see this right here:
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Her jutsu faded away when the stakes went all through her body, piercing her from her stomach to her back:
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Kushina, on the other hand, was exhausted because of the Bijuu extraction Tobi performed on her, and was running out of chakra, but this didn't stopped her from paralyzing the Kyuubi in seconds:
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When she was stabbed by the Kyuubi claw, the jutsu didn't disappear:
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So let's analyse both situations:


Karin:
  • Status: In Perfetc Condition
  • Fighting a Huge monster that cannot be compared with the Kyuubi, and only broke some of it's hands and arms.
  • Her Jutsu breaks when she get any type of physical damage
  • Her jutsu fades away when the wounds are too severe

Kushina:
  • Status: She had had the Kyuubi extracted from her like two chapters ago, and her chakra was running out.
  • She wrapped and paralyzed the Kyuubi in seconds.
  • Her jutsu didn't even twinkle due to her pain. This means severe wounds, having her chakra drained, and being in the edge of life and death because of her Bijuu extraction, doesn't stop her technique.
So if this feats look alike to you, i think we are done here.
 
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