Kamui is not a Mangekyou Techinque!

[Piratefish]

So, it just occured to me that Kamui might not necessarily be a Mangekyou ability. Instead I imagine it could be something like Shisui's extraordinary genjutsus, a special technique limited to a specific set of eyes, in this case Obito's.

My reasoning:
Kamui and Tobi's space-time tech appear to be two sides of the same coin. As I understand it, Tobi warps whatever he is touching to a separate plane of existence, as well as making him intangible. Kamui does the same, but over a distance, and minus the intangibility.

So, as there is no proof Tobi's tech is a Mangekyou ability, it's reasonable to assume Kamui might not be either. I have this niggling feeling that Kakashi might have said something about losing his eyesight at some point, but can't recall the details.

The reason Kakashi always activates the Mangekyou before using Kamui is because of the ridiculous difficulty involved for a non-Uchiha using the technique. There is a reasonable amount of evidence that Tobi is an Uchiha (Uchiha Kaenjin, anyone?) and thus this does not apply to him.

SO, agree, disagree, what do you think?:kakashi:

 

[Punk Hazard]

I have to disagree. Everything in the manga about Kamui points to it being a MS tech. I myself believe the Senju DNA in Tobi has heightened his 3T to that of a low MS. You may be right, though.

 

[-Frost Knight-]

your sooooo lateU_U

 

[SatchiZurake]

I think it makes sense. It's certainly a debatable topic.

 

[Bijuu13]

You just might be right .. Maybe Kamui is just simply one of kakashi's techs that he needs the sharingan for (not saying he copied it by any means) . And it could also explain why he hasnt gone blind yet or experienced as much vision loss as itachi and them

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Don't care what u say, Kamui IS an Ocular Power of the Sharingan, Mangekyou to be specif.

 

[Blaze Release]

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[Plunge into darkness]

So, it just occured to me that Kamui might not necessarily be a Mangekyou ability. Instead I imagine it could be something like Shisui's extraordinary genjutsus, a special technique limited to a specific set of eyes, in this case Obito's.

My reasoning:
Kamui and Tobi's space-time tech appear to be two sides of the same coin. As I understand it, Tobi warps whatever he is touching to a separate plane of existence, as well as making him intangible. Kamui does the same, but over a distance, and minus the intangibility.

So, as there is no proof Tobi's tech is a Mangekyou ability, it's reasonable to assume Kamui might not be either. I have this niggling feeling that Kakashi might have said something about losing his eyesight at some point, but can't recall the details.

The reason Kakashi always activates the Mangekyou before using Kamui is because of the ridiculous difficulty involved for a non-Uchiha using the technique. There is a reasonable amount of evidence that Tobi is an Uchiha (Uchiha Kaenjin, anyone?) and thus this does not apply to him.

SO, agree, disagree, what do you think?:kakashi:

kakashi never actually went blind but was starting to experience some kind of effects of the ms according to itachi during their fight to stall sealing away gaara's tailed beast. or it could have been the other way around. but my teory on the blindess kakashi should suffer is that since the eye was transfered he is safe from this side affect. and uchiha kaenjin was the name of the tech tobi used. but i actually disagree, i although your theory makes a bit of sense. kakashi and tobis eye are to sides of the same coin like you side. my theory is that tobi is using the eye of obito. i think that every ms user has two techs, an offensive and defensive. in this case the short range intangiblity granting effects would belong to tobi, being the defensive ms tech, and kakashis longer ranged variant would be the offensive. im not saying that obito is tobi, as i dont give in to the theories no matter how much the manga leans towards this one, simply because its speculation, but one can safely say every ms user has two techs offensive and defensive, and it would seem kakashi and tobi's eye techs fit the bill.

 

[Piratefish]

So, the databook says it's "An original ocular jutsu of Kakashi's unleashed from Mangekyou Sharingan." It doesn't DIRECTLY state that it's a Mangekyou tech, just that he uses the Mangekyou to unleash it^^

However, I really doubt that Kamui will ever be stated as a non-MS tech in the manga. Thread was mostly to check reactions as well as see how thread-making works.