Kamui doesn't defeat anyone..

[KingHashirama]

....so what? we've never seen perfect susano'o or chikubi tensei kill anyone either, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's op and hard to stop

PS is Susano'o.. and Susano'o has killed plenty, go ask Madara ;]

Chibaku tensei.. has always been countered somehow ;]

It is a OP technique.. just like FTG.. but just cause you teleport them away, so you don't have to fight them, doesn't make you stronger then them.

And Kakashi could have killed Deidara if only he had mastered Kamui... obviously. Cut the head off. ()

too bad even Obito who has mastered it hasn't cut anyone's body part off with Kamui.. know why? cause when you kamui others .. their whole body gets sucked in.

 

[soupasimon]

Kakashi's is the offensive so he can teleport parts but Obito pulls the entire body. (Kakashi's kamui doesnt work on Obito)

 

[Kαmi]

Kakashi had planned on taking down the Gedo Mazo by only sending the Mazo's head. It's definitely possible that Kakashi can take off someone's head although I highly doubt he would ever do so since it's not his style of fighting and also Kakashi wouldn't be able to take off someone's head while in mid-fight but I definitely agree that simply sending an opponent in another dimension does not count as defeating them IMO.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi teleported Deidara's arm = He lost the arm
If he teleported Deidara's head instead = He would have lose his head and without head, you die, simple

Deidara was simply lucky that Kakashi couldn't control his jutsu at that moment and it only teleported his arm. Use kamui to teleport someone's head or any vital part of the body and it's deadly

I see your point anyway, but being in the incapacity to fight because of being in another dimension count as a defeat. You can't survive in the other dimension without eating or drinking anyway

 

[Altaneen]

2. Starvation defeats them not the person.

I disagree, a kill is a kill. If I locked you in a box until you starved to death, a court would not likely see it as "starvation killed you"

 

[KingHashirama]

Kakashi teleported Deidara's arm = He lost the arm
If he teleported Deidara's head instead = He would have lose his head and without head, you die, simple

Deidara was simply lucky that Kakashi couldn't control his jutsu at that moment and it only teleported his arm. Use kamui to teleport someone's head or any vital part of the body and it's deadly

I see your point anyway, but being in the incapacity to fight because of being in another dimension count as a defeat. You can't survive in the other dimension without eating or drinking anyway

That actually proved my point, that Kamui teleports everything around the main point. Now Deidara's arm was the only to be teleported because of Kakashi's eyes. But if you look at how he normally does it.. its always the whole body.. same for Obito.

Also, the starvation kills you.. not the person. I don't get how thats a defeat.

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[Οdin]

too bad even Obito who has mastered it hasn't cut anyone's body part off with Kamui.. know why? cause when you kamui others .. their whole body gets sucked in.

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[KingHashirama]

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=[ well I guess my thread is over then X_X.

 

[Kαmi]

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^^This is what I was talking about. Plus, when he aimed for Deidara he was less skilled Kamui. The way he is skilled now he is able to control it better. Like teleporting something as small as the Rasengan in Naruto's hand without affecting Naruto's hand. That right there should prove that Kakashi has the ability now to Kamui someone's head off given the opportunity.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

=[ well I guess my thread is over then X_X.

Told ya...

 

[Young Thug]

]Both parties fought well, but I'm gonna have to give it to Team NBers. But don't be sad, join the next exciting debate tomorrow.

 

[blackstar9]

Overpowering isn't the only way to defeat an opponent. But if your opponant can't fight anymore you win!

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Teleporting someone to a place they can never escape and will eventually starve in counts as a victory.

 

[Draphsin]

People Kamui doesn't defeat anyone.. If you have looked at the times Kamui was used, it was to always avoid something.. Its not overpowering someone, or making yourself strong enough to hit them. Kamui is a simple teleportation technique. That is why it doesn't count as defeating someone.

This is why all the comments about Kamui like, " Kamui solos hashirama/Madara/ Naruto" are a fail.. cause all they do is teleport them to a another dimension. I don't see how thats soloing the person.

Sure Kamui can be used to defeat the enemy.. Obito uses it all the time.. he makes is own body go to the other dimension and etc. BUT when you use it on another person it is a simple teleportation.

If teleporting someone to a different place meant defeating someone then it would count as defeating, but for now it doesn't.


Defeating someone in a fight means, you physically overpower them and prove that your superior.... not teleport them to a place where you can't touch them. lol.

I hope I have made my point.

Obito can kamui someone to the other dimension, starving them to death....so yes it can be used as an attack because you can trap your opponents, its a teleportaion/sealing technique

 

[Minator93]

Kakashi could've SOLO'd Juubi's head if it weren't for Tobi!

/THread

 

[zamki]

It this over alredy?

 

[EliteKakashi]

People should really consider actually reading the manga before making threads. Hell, the Gedo Mazou thing wasn't even that long ago.

Ignorance is wonderful, isn't it?

 

[Hoshi]

True, but u can still kill people with it, remember the fight with kakashi and deadara? Kakashi removed both or one of his arms...

 

[shadedcrow]

Lol you have to physically beat someone or be stronger than them to win a fight awww poor shikamaru guess he lost to hidan since he out smarted the bastard, Sakura and chiyo lost to sasori because by your reasoning they didnt over power him. And kakashi lost to dederia, sauske also lost to itachi, itachi and sauske lost to kabuto, kin/ginkaku wont against dauri and his division, and itachi naruto and killer bee didnt beat edo negato.

 

[Horus]

Hmm i agree, nice thread