Kamui and possible counters.

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I copied this from wiki:

The right eye's primary weakness is that both aspects of Kamui cannot be used concurrently, as the user must become and remain tangible in order to utilise Kamui's teleportation, providing a small opportunity in which they are unable to pass through objects and thus, are vulnerable to injury. This deficiency means that the user must also materialise when ejecting stored items, presenting the same vulnerability.[33] According to Konan, Obito could only maintain his intangibility for approximately five consecutive minutes at a time, after which he was presumably rendered completely solid for a duration. In order to bypass this weakness and remain in Kamui's dimension for a longer duration, Obito had to "solidify" and absorb his entire body. She also revealed that the time it took him to absorb something was proportional to its mass, and that it took him longer to absorb himself than another person or object.[34]. Also, to pass through objects Obito must "activate" the intangibility to Kamui, so any part of his body will overlap with objects and people, even parts that were meant to land an attack. To land a successful blow, he must "deactivate" the intangibility, leaving him vulnerable to attack as well.

In the light of the war between Itachi and Obito fans, I'm interested to see what kind of counters could be done here. The popular belief is that Kamui is invincible. I don't have any intention of badmouthing Obito or Kamui, I want to know the ideas that Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto, Raikage, whoever can come up with if they have this intel. And I wanna know in the end, if Kamui really is invincible. Thanks in advance.
 

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1MS Kamui's main weak point has been stated, so having a greater speed and reaction time can beat it, however, Obito's reaction time is the greatest in the manga of any living characters by the War, so that is hardly an option anymore.

Kamui is not unbeatable
Obito is not unbeatable

But Obito with Kamui is as close as you're going to get to unbeatable.
 

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1MS Kamui's main weak point has been stated, so having a greater speed and reaction time can beat it, however, Obito's reaction time is the greatest in the manga of any living characters by the War, so that is hardly an option anymore.

Kamui is not unbeatable
Obito is not unbeatable

But Obito with Kamui is as close as you're going to get to unbeatable.

You think he could react to Raikage's speed or Naruto's type of Hiraishin (the one he exhibited against A)?
 

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Clones , counter attacks , speed , genjutsu , continues attacks.
 
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You think he could react to Raikage's speed or Naruto's type of Hiraishin (the one he exhibited against A)?

Well seeing as how he blitzed KCM Naruto I don't see why not. And seeing Minato evaded A by using his basic FTG lv 1and Obito was faster than Minato FTG Lv 1 so obviously he would avade A. And I see you made this thread because you got full rustled
 

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On what grounds? I don't think he ever experienced it against them. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

-At 14 years old, nearly defeated Minato, the fastest base character in the manga.
-Easily phased through Sasuke's "Godly speed" Shunshin against Deidara.
-Rescued Sasuke from an already activated Jinton Cube without being seen or sensed.
-Easily phased against a bloodthirsted V1 Raiton Cloak Ay.
-Effortlessly defeated KCM Naruto with Taijutsu and Kenjutsu.
-Matched a KCM Naruto, Perfect Jin Bee, Gated Gai, and MS Kakashi while the later already devised a strategy against Kamui.
-Effortlessly evaded BM Naruto while using Full Bodied Kamui, which is canonically slower than phasing.
 

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Breaking line of sight defeats Kamui. Hidden Mist is a good counter. High-speed movement is a good counter.
 

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-At 14 years old, nearly defeated Minato, the fastest base character in the manga.
-Easily phased through Sasuke's "Godly speed" Shunshin against Deidara.
-Rescued Sasuke from an already activated Jinton Cube without being seen or sensed.
-Easily phased against a bloodthirsted V1 Raiton Cloak Ay.
-Effortlessly defeated KCM Naruto with Taijutsu and Kenjutsu.
-Effortlessly evaded BM Naruto while using Full Bodied Kamui, which is canonically slower than phasing.

Legit list. So the only thing he didn't "defeat" was Minato's Hiraishin. So with speed, it's almost impossible to counter him.

Well seeing as how he blitzed KCM Naruto I don't see why not. And seeing Minato evaded A by using his basic FTG lv 1and Obito was faster than Minato FTG Lv 1 so obviously he would avade A. And I see you made this thread because you got full rustled

Minato's Hiraishin wasn't evaded by him. Try to stay on topic and civilized.

Breaking line of sight defeats Kamui. Hidden Mist is a good counter. High-speed movement is a good counter.

I guess strategy is needed in almost 90% of counters, I'd say. Specially the kinds with distractions.
 
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Legit list. So the only thing he didn't "defeat" was Minato's Hiraishin. So with speed, it's almost impossible to counter him.

Correct. And that was a 14 year old Obito. Akatsuki MS obito has 17 more years of experience and training.

I've said it a dozen times, I'll say it a dozen more.

Akatsuki MS Obito is Unbeatable 1v1 discounting Juubi Jins and Pseudo Juubi Jins
Hypothetical DMS Obito is Unbeatable period.
 

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He remains intangible until the last fraction of second where he makes contact, Not a lot of things are as fast as Hiraishin Stage 2 to take advantage of that small interval of time.

Better ways would be using konan's method of continuous attacks or sound genjutsu while not letting him touch you.

 

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Correct. And that was a 14 year old Obito. Akatsuki MS obito has 17 more years of experience and training.

I've said it a dozen times, I'll say it a dozen more.

Akatsuki MS Obito is Unbeatable 1v1 discounting Juubi Jins and Pseudo Juubi Jins
Hypothetical DMS Obito is Unbeatable period.

I wouldn't go that far just yet. Speed isn't the only stat here. Let's discuss some more.

He remains intangible until the last fraction of second where he makes contact, Not a lot of things are as fast as Hiraishin Stage 2 to take advantage of that small interval of time.

Better ways would be using konan's method of continuous attacks or sound genjutsu while not letting him touch you.

Strategy, yeah. Head on is of course futile.
 

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He remains intangible until the last fraction of second where he makes contact, Not a lot of things are as fast as Hiraishin Stage 2 to take advantage of that small interval of time.

Better ways would be using konan's method of continuous attacks or sound genjutsu while not letting him touch you.

No one on earth will ever be able to do what Konan did. People forget that 1. Attacks must continue to touch him for 5 straight minutes, or else the timer likely resets. 2. Obito's full body cannot be consumed, or he will simply end up in the Kamuiverse. And 3. You cannot let Obito touch the ground, as he can simply phase through the ground into the Kamuiverse.

Only Konan will ever get as close as she did to reaching the 5 minute limit. Period.

Shadow clone GG

Good day

Obito can choose where people he absorbs go, and whether they are in a genjutsu or not. The only reason that strategy worked, is because Kakashi sent the clone away.

Against anyone else, Clones are just as useless.
 

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No one on earth will ever be able to do what Konan did. People forget that 1. Attacks must continue to touch him for 5 straight minutes, or else the timer likely resets. 2. Obito's full body cannot be consumed, or he will simply end up in the Kamuiverse. And 3. You cannot let Obito touch the ground, as he can simply phase through the ground into the Kamuiverse.

Only Konan will ever get as close as she did to reaching the 5 minute limit. Period.

Naruto can certainly do it with his clones, hypothetically. As far as we're talking about a simple head on attack.
 

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-At 14 years old, nearly defeated Minato, the fastest base character in the manga.
-Easily phased through Sasuke's "Godly speed" Shunshin against Deidara.
-Rescued Sasuke from an already activated Jinton Cube without being seen or sensed.
-Easily phased against a bloodthirsted V1 Raiton Cloak Ay.
-Effortlessly defeated KCM Naruto with Taijutsu and Kenjutsu.
-Matched a KCM Naruto, Perfect Jin Bee, Gated Gai, and MS Kakashi while the later already devised a strategy against Kamui.
-Effortlessly evaded BM Naruto while using Full Bodied Kamui, which is canonically slower than phasing.

He nearly defeated Minato?
I agree with the rest. I just don't understand this statement.
 

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Couldn't clones really put kamui on edge though? He would either have to attack them(being vulnerable) or absorb them (also vulnerable)

And large scale jutsus, particularly things like fire style that's very wide spread, could run out the 5 minutes.

Although accomplishing a blow would still be difficult, it really just depends on the opponents strategic skill. Even naruto has shown capable of being sneaky enough to land a blow, it's not impossible.
 
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