[VS] Kakuzu vs. Terumi Mei

[NarutoIndra]

What? When was this :|

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Although I thought it had something to do with Gaara's sand.

 

[Zexion~]

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Although I thought it had something to do with Gaara's sand.

Can't see the pick my man, regardless Extreme pressure from all angles damages a different way then a simple punch from a large figure....It would crush you on this inside :|

Yeah sand probably did have something to do with it ..

@AC how do you crop those shits from the DB?

 

[Shura]

Can't see the pick my man, regardless Extreme pressure from all angles damages a different way then a simple punch from a large figure....It would crush you on this inside :|

Yeah sand probably did have something to do with it ..

@AC how do you crop those shits from the DB?

Eh, I merely take the databook page and then crop it using Paint.NET, it's not something I could explain really.​

 

[Zexion~]

Eh, I merely take the databook page and then crop it using Paint.NET, it's not something I could explain really.​

Sounds too complicated U_U

 

[Shura]

Sounds too complicated U_U

No, not really. Lmao.​

 

[Europa]

I fail to see how Mei loses.

Raiton is not very effective with water. She can form her own pseudo joki boi with her elemental control.

And then Kakuzu is done for.

 

[Nattana]

@Nattana.

1. Seriously? Atsugai would push, repel, Mei's techniques to the completely opposite side. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Suiton isn't weak to Fūton, however, it will still push it or repel it, meaning that Mei's jutsu is ineffective.

2. This isn't a counter. Mei has to activate the Suiton as well, and no it will not already be fired away because it takes literally a second for Gian [

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] or any other of Kakuzu's jutsu to charge up, seeing as how they charged up literally a second or two before Naruto land a hit on Kakuzu. [

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] You can clearly see in the next scan that they didn't manage to get any closer to him before his jutsu charged up. [

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] Not to mention that this argument can be used against Mei as well, seeing as how she isn't really fast when it comes to activating her ninjutsu.

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3. No, it does not. It has to melt throught his skin in order to get to his insides and that isn't happening. [

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] More so, Atsugai can either repel it or Kakuzu can use his Shunshin to evade it.

4. What exactly do you think moves the hands and tears throught the ground? Tendrils can easily tear throught the ground. [

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] Not to mention that these tendrils can easily tear throught a human body and you're telling me that they needed a hand, a part of the human body, to tear throught the ground? Aren't piercing anyone? Kishimoto disagrees.

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5. That's it? 'Gian takes time to charge. It isn't hitting Mei.', seriously? No. Gian is fast enough to suddenly unleash itself from the mask and appear in front of it's enemy. Hence the '!!' reactions from both Choji and Shikamaru. [

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] Kakashi managed to intercept Gian only because of his Sharingan which saved him as stated by Kakuzu himself. [

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] Mei isn't dodging it. Especially since it has been stated that Gian is a lightning bolt travelling at high-speed so Mei's chances of dodging it aren't existant.

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Kakuzu definitely wins.​

Kakuzu's Fuuton can repel just as Mei's jutsu can repel.

You chose the scan that suited you. Moreover, stop comparing Madara to Kakuzu in terms of speed, Madara is god tier in NV. Don't use such arguments, please.

If the Youton hits Kakuzu in Domu, heat will be transfered through it and his insides will boil.

Ofc tendrils need that hand. It's the hand (part of Kakuzu's body - something that distributes chakra) that uses some Doton jutsu to move freely underground. Tendrils themselves cannot do that lol. And about that piercing part - you misunderstood. I never said they cannot pierce, I just said that they cannot surprise Mei from beneath the ground AND pierce her, since they need the hand to do that and with hand their sharp endings are hidden.

Say what you want, but Gian IS avoided. The '!!' were there because Shika was indeed surprised. But it doesn't change the fact it got countered. Mei can dodge it. Moreover, she can counter it with either Youton or Concentrated Corrosive Mist Spit, since both of mentioned jutsu have elemental advantage and CCMS doesn't require any hand seals and is almost instant.

 

[Shura]

Sexion333, I'mma go to sleep so take care of this thread while I'm gone.​

I fail to see how Mei loses.

Raiton is not very effective with water. She can form her own pseudo joki boi with her elemental control.

And then Kakuzu is done for.

One day.. I swear.. I'll put an end to your evil schemes.. You wretched Demon.​

 

[Zexion~]

Lol Is madara even that fast?

 

[Europa]

Sexion333, I'mma go to sleep so take care of this thread while I'm gone.​

One day.. I swear.. I'll put an end to your evil schemes.. You wretched Demon.​

How am I a demon...?

 

[Nattana]

Lol Is madara even that fast?

He is. And it's pretty lame that AC brings up that Mei couldn't react to Madara's justu.
She did react earlier BUT at that particular moment, all the Kage were exhausted and worn off. Wounded, bruised, low on chakra - it's obvious that reaction time and speed weren't at their finest.
Tsunade on the other hand was still under the effect of Byakugou Seal, so she managed to jump in and tank Madara's Katon.

 

[Penguin]

I change my mind. Mei uses Water Dome and GSB to win. If not, she uses a Juubi sized Katon to win.

Lol Is madara even that fast?

Yes. He is actually ridiculously fast.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol Is madara even that fast?

He blitzed the shit out of SM Naruto, you need to be very very very fast to blitz an SM user.

 

[Penguin]

He blitzed the shit out of SM Naruto, you need to be very very very fast to blitz an SM user.

Not to mention he is calc'd at Mach 143. Before he blitz'd Naruto. u.u

 

[KidGamer65]

Not to mention he is calc'd at Mach 143. Before he blitz'd Naruto. u.u

According to those calcs he'd be faster than Ay....Lol

 

[Europa]

I honestly don't take those fan calcs seriously. Things seem seriously wrong when characters are that fast. Yes they're faster than humans but.. Still.

 

[Penguin]

That is because Kisame and Nidaime Mizukage have no speed feats to get calc'd. :|

According to those calcs he'd be faster than Ay....Lol

Of course, sir Kishimoto does not think about scaling and what not. :|

 

[Shura]

Kakuzu's Fuuton can repel just as Mei's jutsu can repel.

You chose the scan that suited you. Moreover, stop comparing Madara to Kakuzu in terms of speed, Madara is god tier in NV. Don't use such arguments, please.

If the Youton hits Kakuzu in Domu, heat will be transfered through it and his insides will boil.

Ofc tendrils need that hand. It's the hand (part of Kakuzu's body - something that distributes chakra) that uses some Doton jutsu to move freely underground. Tendrils themselves cannot do that lol. And about that piercing part - you misunderstood. I never said they cannot pierce, I just said that they cannot surprise Mei from beneath the ground AND pierce her, since they need the hand to do that and with hand their sharp endings are hidden.

Say what you want, but Gian IS avoided. The '!!' were there because Shika was indeed surprised. But it doesn't change the fact it got countered. Mei can dodge it. Moreover, she can counter it with either Youton or Concentrated Corrosive Mist Spit, since both of mentioned jutsu have elemental advantage and CCMS doesn't require any hand seals and is almost instant.

@Bold. That's not a counter to Atsugai at all so Atsugai one-shots. The difference between Mei's techniques and Atsugai is that Atsugai is a Fūton which repels [pushes into the opposite direction] stuff such as items, water, mist, etc.

@Underlined. No. Hand-seal speed and Shunshin are completely different so don't come up with that. Going by feats, Madara has no better hand-seal speed than Kakuzu. It's not a scan that suited me, you just failed to counter it. Your argumentation is that Mei was supposedly 'tired', however, Tsunade still managed to intercept that Katon despite the fact that she was 'tired' as well.

@Red. Heat doesn't transfer to his body, hence why there was nothing wrong with his insides or hand after he got hit by an explosion [

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@Green. A normal human hand can't pierce throught the ground and no, Kakuzu wasn't using Domu since his hand would have taken a darker shade of color if he was using it. More so, like I stated, Kakuzu's tendrils can pierce throught a human being with ease so they definitely can pierce better than a mere human hand.

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@Yellow. No, it's not. Kakashi needed Sharingan to do so while Shikamaru and Choji who didn't have the Sharingan were shocked by it's speed. Mei isn't evading it nor are the jutsu you listed stopping it since it has been stated that Gian can easily pierce throught rock.

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[Nattana]

@Bold. That's not a counter to Atsugai at all so Atsugai one-shots. The difference between Mei's techniques and Atsugai is that Atsugai is a Fūton which repels [pushes into the opposite direction] stuff such as items, water, mist, etc.
So Mei's Suiton doesn't push things in the opposite direction?.... I don't understand you.

@Underlined. No. Hand-seal speed and Shunshin are completely different so don't come up with that. Going by feats, Madara has no better hand-seal speed than Kakuzu. It's not a scan that suited me, you just failed to counter it. Your argumentation is that Mei was supposedly 'tired', however, Tsunade still managed to intercept that Katon despite the fact that she was 'tired' as well.
Supposedly 'tired'? She wasn't supposedly tired but she was helluva tired. The same way as Onoki, Gaara and A. Tsunade managed to react to Madara's Katon since she was still under the effect of Byakugou Seal.

@Red. Heat doesn't transfer to his body, hence why there was nothing wrong with his insides or hand after he got hit by an explosion [

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It doesn't matter. Once he uses Domu and gets hit by Mei's Youton - it's over. Lava would simply cover him completely and even if he doesn't boil, he will be trapped inside a cooled, hardened lava globe from outside and still-burning lava from inside.

@Green. A normal human hand can't pierce throught the ground and no, Kakuzu wasn't using Domu since his hand would have taken a darker shade of color if he was using it. More so, like I stated, Kakuzu's tendrils can pierce throught a human being with ease so they definitely can pierce better than a mere human hand.

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I never said it was Domu. I was thinking more about Hiding like a mole. I agree that accelerated tendrils can destroy some ground on impact, but there's no way they could move freely underground without being affected by some jutsu. The hand must've been a catalysator for all that. Moreover, out of all jutsu Kakuzu was using, hand assault from beneath the ground was used the least and for the surprise factor. Considering that Mei has full intel on him, she's not gonna fall for that.

@Yellow. No, it's not. Kakashi needed Sharingan to do so while Shikamaru and Choji who didn't have the Sharingan were shocked by it's speed. Mei isn't evading it nor are the jutsu you listed stopping it since it has been stated that Gian can easily pierce throught rock.

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Ok, they were surprised. And? It's not changing the fact that Shikamaru was about to counter (or at least try to counter) Gian with whatever was in his scroll. Moreover, what's that with bringing up Sharingan here? As far as I remember, Sharingan boosts perception, not speed. Ino managed to shout out a warning and then Kakashi managed to jump in there and counter Gian with his jutsu. Mei would have to do just one of these thing. Jump away or counter it.

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[NarutoIndra]

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Was this purposely made to make it hard to counter? Considering you wrote your reply within the quote as to make it unquotable.

Anyways, Suiton does not pack a wind force behind it to move objects. That's like saying waves in the sea have the directional wind force to move clouds in comparison and equivalence to a powerful wind gust. It doesn't take a genius to realise water cannot generate as much wind as a wind gust itself would, saying otherwise is naive. A water dragon itself also does not create a powerful wind force around it, it simply creates a powerful mass wherever it is present and moving towards. Fuuton like Atsugai is wind itself, thus it can push things towards an opposite direction. Why? Because it is wind, this is logical..

Her being tired does not lead to her hand seals becoming slow. Her body is exhausted, and she is running low on chakra, that does not mean her fingers are now in lack of speed, not remotely. Tsunade reacting was because of the Byakugo, however, Mei didn't react not because she was exhausted, but because her hand seal speed is slow. Anyways, that just comes to show Tsunade was capable of jumping in front of Mei before Mei could even finish her prep, signifying she isn't as fast you are making her out to be.

Kakuzu's reaction speed movement speed (via shunshin) are more than enough to evade those slow moving lava quantities. Has anyone even been hit yet by the lava without having initially evaded? No. Saying the lava is quick enough to hit Kakuzu would be amusing. Sasuke was capable of evading her quickest moving Youton while his back was turned to her and his body was exhausted [

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He doesn't get hit, and even if he is hit, it will most likely be a partial body Domu, not a full body Domu. This would mean he cans till freely move regardless of the Youton on his body. Anyways, even if he will absolutely be hit by the Youton, the correct method of defence is not Doton, but rather having his near infinite threads take the attack, and then cut them off.

You are correct, it is likely Hiding like a Mole knowing the fact tendrils could not move under such pressure underground. However, I fail to see why Hiding like a Mole would have any negative impact on Kakuzu. No jutsu will be capable of reaching him down there. Water will have no effects as it won't pass through the sand like underground after kakuzu has passed it. Youton is to viscous to even move through there. Futton has shown to be localised instead of a constantly dispersing jutsu, so it will also not be capable of reaching underground (let alone having effect if it does). Furthermore, nothing suggests he cannot use a full body Hiding like a mole if he can use it with one hand, meaning any Youton is evaded with this, and sneak attack can be created with this to restrain Mei's movements, while Gian charges an attack to decapitate Mei.

Do not compare Kakashi's speed to Mei's sharingan or not. Nothing suggests Shikamaru would've ever made it in time to counter, he merely attempted to do counter, as why not try when you have a slight chance?

Anyways, Mei will have to react in time, but of course, her reaction speed feats do not even compare to the likes of Kakashi's. She will have to jump? Yet she has no notable feats of instantaneously jumping without any running, seeing as though that requires immense strength to pull off, which she has no proof of. Evade? No, especially if two are coming at her. Anyways, I have already mentioned a tendril through the ground to catch her feet while Gian is being charged will cause her to either be caught or be distracted, either or; she ends up dying. For your point of her countering, I can't tell fi you are being serious. Kakashi countered with Raikiri, also known as Lightning cutter. It was foreshadowed it was so sharp he can cut bolts of lightning with it, so for obvious reasons, he countered Gian. Mei can counter with what exactly? Youton? No. Fuuton? No. Suiton? No, unless she wants to die from the water conducting the Raiton.