Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[Anbu Knights]

Itachi ends this with Amaterasu after a minor struggle.

 

[Nattana]

Restricting Susanoo is not enough to make it a fair fight.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nothing indicates the masks are capable of complex thoughts such as genjutsu removal.

They follow Kakuzu's command. So thats not a problem.

Itachi has the ability to make his genjutsu appear like the real world.

True.

He can have Kakuzu in a genjutsu that mimicked what might happen in the real world, while he deals with the masks outside of Kakuzu's body.

Kakuzu is still frozen in real time. Kakuzu can simply make the rule for the Mask to break him out if he is randomly paralyzed.

Genjutsu is also works in the masks, as they possess chakra network and eyes.

If this is true then you can make the argument that Genjutsu works on Sasori. Those Mask break the laws of nature and lack an actually brain for Genjutsu to work.

Threads are as useless as can be when the flame is on Kakuzu's skin. If threads are used, they simply get engulfed as well.

True. So why would Kakuzu not prepare himself with a webwall of Jingou against the attack instead of it letting it hit his skin?

Kakuzu can't ever disrupt Amaterasu. Sasuke was caught every time Itachi used Amaterasu. Kakuzu has no way of perceiving or reacting to Amaterasu.

Amaterasu always have to built up from the beginning. Otherwise Sasuke throwing a Shiruken at him should have been useless. Also Bee throwing his sword at him before he attempts to prep that said chakra.

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Restricting Susanoo is not enough to make it a fair fight.

Making it straight 3T isnt going to either lol. MS ability definitely balance the match (bar Susanoo)

 

[Zexion~]

I meant that the webs blocked Amertarasu because he was aiming for the webs, although he most definitely can detach threads at will.

 

[Lord Tywin]

They follow Kakuzu's command. So thats not a problem.

How would Kakuzu know that he's in genjutsu if the genjutsu makes it so much like the actual reality. Kakuzu has to first be able to know he's in genjutsu. With killing intent, Kakuzu would not be able to distinguish between reality and genjutsu

Kakuzu is still frozen in real time. Kakuzu can simply make the rule for the Mask to break him out if he is randomly paralyzed.

Or Itachi won't ever allow the masks to ever do such thing and he has the arsenal to prevent the masks to do so. Genjutsu followed by quick Amaterasu lights up Kakuzu. And don't bring up pain bringing him out of genjutsu. Won't work with Amaterasu being on his skin.

If this is true then you can make the argument that Genjutsu works on Sasori. Those Mask break the laws of nature and lack an actually brain for Genjutsu to work.

I don't see why Sasori or Kakuzu's masks are immune to genjutsu. They both have a center of control. If the chakra there is manipulated, they can be placed under genjutsu.

True. So why would Kakuzu not prepare himself with a webwall of Jingou against the attack instead of it letting it hit his skin?

They get burnt through without much resistance. If somehow Kakuzu gets away safely, a second Amaterasu attempt catches him.

Amaterasu always have to built up from the beginning. Otherwise Sasuke throwing a Shiruken at him should have been useless. Also Bee throwing his sword at him before he attempts to prep that said chakra.

Amd we have moments of Amaterasu activating in an instant. Like the first time it being used against Jiraiya. Against Kabuto.

 

[Booker]

Itachi baby shakes him

 

[KidGamer65]

How else would it be possible to attach Hidan's head back?



Never denied that part.

Did you see him detach them at will? Because they are threads at the end of the day. He could've easily just ripped them off his body like you would rip thread off in real life.

Then this a stomp match up. Quit arguing for it. :lol Not sure why you always feel so pressed to argue these nonsense match ups. I'll say it one more time, Amaterasu one shots. Eats through his threads in a fraction of a second and he dies soon after.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I meant that the webs blocked Amertarasu because he was aiming for the webs, although he most definitely can detach threads at will.

Right, so my premise shows that Kakuzu can simply make a web of Jingou, as its only line of sight for Itachi to fire.

How would Kakuzu know that he's in genjutsu if the genjutsu makes it so much like the actual reality. Kakuzu has to first be able to know he's in genjutsu. With killing intent, Kakuzu would not be able to distinguish between reality and genjutsu

I'm not arguing that Kakuzu does that. This is what you think I'm saying: "Oh, I'm actually in a Genjutsu right now. Mask release me".
When actually I am saying: (In the beginning of the match) Mask commandment "If you ever see me, your owner, paralyze at any second then release me".

Or Itachi won't ever allow the masks to ever do such thing and he has the arsenal to prevent the masks to do so. Genjutsu followed by quick Amaterasu lights up Kakuzu.

How so? Be more specific on how Itachi can actually stop a heart, inside Kakuzu, from having him wake up. I dont believe in quick Amaterasu chakra built up from the beginning of the match.

I don't see why Sasori or Kakuzu's masks are immune to genjutsu. They both have a center of control. If the chakra there is manipulated, they can be placed under genjutsu.

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They get burnt through without much resistance. If somehow Kakuzu gets away safely, a second Amaterasu attempt catches him.

Maybe, but I still see Kakuzu, with full intel, being able to detach them before it spreads. As for a second one, Kakuzu can strategically use that as an opening via Jingou underground back stab.

Amd we have moments of Amaterasu activating in an instant. Like the first time it being used against Jiraiya. Against Kabuto.

Against Jiraiya, is speculative time then actual time we seen him do in Part 2 fight usage. Against Kabuto, was already built from the fight against Bee, Naruto, and Nagato battle.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm not arguing that Kakuzu does that. This is what you think I'm saying: "Oh, I'm actually in a Genjutsu right now. Mask release me".
When actually I am saying: (In the beginning of the match) Mask commandment "If you ever see me, your owner, paralyze at any second then release me".

Once again, Itachi can make Kakuzu in reality act like how he normally would. When Itachi put Naruto in genjutsu, Sakura told Naruto he was moving and even used a rasengan. Itachi will have Kakuzu move around normally with subtle differences that will not put himself in risk, while taking out the masks before finishing Kakuzu himself

How so? Be more specific on how Itachi can actually stop a heart, inside Kakuzu, from having him wake up. I dont believe in quick Amaterasu chakra built up from the beginning of the match.

Shuriken jutsu, clones, katon, amaterasu

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These characters still have the same parts of the body in different forms, or they wouldn't be able to function as an organism. If they don't have it, they wouldn't even be capable of making actions.

Maybe, but I still see Kakuzu, with full intel, being able to detach them before it spreads. As for a second one, Kakuzu can strategically use that as an opening via Jingou underground back stab.

Itachi will have no problem in casting a large amount of Amaterasu on Kakuzu, covering Kakuzu's entire body. I don't see threads ever factoring against Amaterasu

Against Jiraiya, is speculative time then actual time we seen him do in Part 2 fight usage. Against Kabuto, was already built from the fight against Bee, Naruto, and Nagato battle.

Lmao what? Amaterasu was charged all the way back against Bee and Naruto? You cannot be serious :lol

 

[Zexion~]

Did you see him detach them at will? Because they are threads at the end of the day. He could've easily just ripped them off his body like you would rip thread off in real life.

Then this a stomp match up. Quit arguing for it. :lol Not sure why you always feel so pressed to argue these nonsense match ups. I'll say it one more time, Amaterasu one shots. Eats through his threads in a fraction of a second and he dies soon after.

We see the thread move on its own

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how would he rip it out when when they are all connected he'd just keep pulling out threads.

Fam we have seen him detach threads along with his hand, and it was the threads that allowed the hand to be detached not the other way around as the threads were what connected back to his body in order for the hand to reattach.

Even if they do detach Itachi wins though.

 

[KidGamer65]

We see the thread move on its own

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how would he rip it out when when they are all connected he'd just keep pulling out threads.

Fam we have seen him detach threads along with his hand, and it was the threads that allowed the hand to be detached not the other way around as the threads were what connected back to his body in order for the hand to reattach.

Even if they do detach Itachi wins though.

What? If you pull the right way on a roll of thread you can rip just a piece off instead of taking off the whole roll so why would it be any different with Kakuzu? And where did he do the bold?

At least you aren't doing what EjBlack loves to do, argue idiotic match ups. :lol

 

[Zexion~]

What? If you pull the right way on a roll of thread you can rip just a piece off instead of taking off the whole roll so why would it be any different with Kakuzu? And where did he do the bold?

At least you aren't doing what EjBlack loves to do, argue idiotic match ups. :lol

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Notice how the threads are the first thing to connect back to his body, obviously the heart was there to allow them to act on their own but I believe EJ was just arguing he'd drop the threads.


Yeah you can rip things like that but there would be left over thread hanging out of Hidans neck, not to mention ripping something as wiry as these threads would be hard enough as it is.


Give Kakuzu an MS from an Uchiha he killed back in the day and now we're talking.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Notice how the threads are the first thing to connect back to his body, obviously the heart was there to allow them to act on their own but I believe EJ was just arguing he'd drop the threads.


Yeah you can rip things like that but there would be left over thread hanging out of Hidans neck, not to mention ripping something as wiry as these threads would be hard enough as it is.


Give Kakuzu an MS from an Uchiha he killed back in the day and now we're talking.

Ok. I'll agree with you here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

At least you aren't doing what EjBlack loves to do, argue idiotic match ups. :lol

KG please shut up. If this was a idiotic match up, I would have given Itachi's full arsenal here. But what I did was gave jutsu that can still put Kakuzu down without it being one-sided. Unless you can argue 3T Itachi is enough then by all means say whatever.

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Once again, Itachi can make Kakuzu in reality act like how he normally would. When Itachi put Naruto in genjutsu, Sakura told Naruto he was moving and even used a rasengan. Itachi will have Kakuzu move around normally with subtle differences that will not put himself in risk, while taking out the masks before finishing Kakuzu himself

I end up rereading the fight. You made @Bold up.

Shuriken jutsu, clones, katon, amaterasu

Perhaps I should of said elaborate more lol. How do these jutsu kill Kakuzu in time, before the hearts snap Kakuzu out. bar Amaterasu(already release)?

These characters still have the same parts of the body in different forms, or they wouldn't be able to function as an organism. If they don't have it, they wouldn't even be capable of making actions.

Didnt I already explained to you that their bodies dont follow nature, logic, or phyics? So stop implying that it works when manga outright states needing cranial nerves for genjutsu to function.

Itachi will have no problem in casting a large amount of Amaterasu on Kakuzu, covering Kakuzu's entire body. I don't see threads ever factoring against Amaterasu

Thats not how Amaterasu works. It covers based on LoS of the target. If the target is as small as a bird, it will extend the size of a bird. Human to Human like-size. Buijuu to Buijuu like-size.

Lmao what? Amaterasu was charged all the way back against Bee and Naruto? You cannot be serious :lol

Convince me otherwise?

 

[EZQ]

What? If you pull the right way on a roll of thread you can rip just a piece off instead of taking off the whole roll so why would it be any different with Kakuzu? And where did he do the bold?

At least you aren't doing what EjBlack loves to do, argue idiotic match ups. :lol

He did deatach some threads and sent them underground to disable shikamaru's shadow posession

 

[KidGamer65]

KG please shut up. If this was a idiotic match up, I would have given Itachi's full arsenal here. But what I did was gave jutsu that can still put Kakuzu down without it being one-sided. Unless you can argue 3T Itachi is enough then by all means say whatever.

It is beyond one sided regardless of Susanoo being restricted. Hence it being an idiotic match up. 3-Tomoe Itachi is irrelevant here. Is this 3-Tomoe Itachi? No, it's not 3-Tomoe Itachi. :lol Weak counters from someone who only knows how to make weak counters when it comes to match ups like these.

 

[Icelerate]

Whenever EjBlack makes a thread with an obvious winner, I know that he's going to debate for the obvious loser.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It is beyond one sided regardless of Susanoo being restricted. Hence it being an idiotic match up. 3-Tomoe Itachi is irrelevant here. Is this 3-Tomoe Itachi? No, it's not 3-Tomoe Itachi. :lol Weak counters from someone who only knows how to make weak counters when it comes to match ups like these.

A weak counter you already concede possible. Obv this isnt 3T because if it was relevant then you would be arguing that it will be one sided on Kakuzu's behalf. So apparently IM the one acting dumb here.

Whenever EjBlack makes a thread with an obvious winner, I know that he's going to debate for the obvious loser.

If its so obvious why are people factoring the only jutsu thats deem uncounter able being concede that its counterable?

 

[Icelerate]

A weak counter you already concede possible. Obv this isnt 3T because if it was relevant then you would be arguing that it will be one sided on Kakuzu's behalf. So apparently IM the one acting dumb here.



If its so obvious why are people factoring the only jutsu thats deem uncounter able being concede that its counterable?

Tsukiyomi one shots.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tsukiyomi one shots.

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