Kakuzu vs Hiruzen

[UltraPain]

Kakuzu vs Hiruzen

* feats only, no neutralizers, all konoha jutsus etc .*

Who wins?

 

[Beans2]

Edo Hiruzen>Kakuzu>Old Hiruzen.

 

[super yang]

edo hiruzen>old hiruzen>kakuzu by feats

bad matchup is bad

 

[Kages]

Hiruzen rapes. drproof, you mad? Btw, I'm doing my hw. I'll reply to the Hiruzen vs sasuke thing later, trust me.

 

[UltraPain]

edo hiruzen>old hiruzen>kakuzu by feats

bad matchup is bad

Why is old Hiruzen stronger than Kakuzu?

Just asking out of curiosity. I haven't made my mind up yet, hence why I made this thread.

 

[super yang]

How is old Hiruzen stronger than Kakuzu?

Just asking out of curiosity. I haven't made my mind up yet, hence why I made this thread.

the only difference between his versions is edo regeneration.
all the ''old hiruzen has no stamina'' is a myth.

 

[Kages]

Who is old Hiruzen stronger than Kakuzu?

Just asking out of curiosity. I haven't made my mind up yet, hence why I made this thread.

RDS ties at the very least. Enma can possibly do some harm to Domu, since both Enma and Domu are said to be hard as diamond.. So yeah. That's one thing to keep in mind. Another is that Kakuzu really doesn't pose much of a threat to Hiruzen... Every elemental attack is blocked.

 

[Curse Mark]

the only difference between his versions is edo regeneration.
all the ''old hiruzen has no stamina'' is a myth.

Care to explain why its a myth?

 

[Kages]

Care to explain why its a myth?

Hiruzen in his old age has the same stamina as Part 2 Kakashi in the databooks. People usually say he can use one or two attacks, but it's the same as Kakashi's stats.

 

[Curse Mark]

Hiruzen in his old age has the same stamina as Part 2 Kakashi in the databooks. People usually say he can use one or two attacks, but it's the same as Kakashi's stats.

Ehhh i prefer feats over DB stats because they arent very reliable.
he did manage to fight in the war and use 5 shadow clones and 5 elemental attacks all at once tho

 

[Kages]

Ehhh i prefer feats over DB stats because they arent very reliable.
he did manage to fight in the war and use 5 shadow clones and 5 elemental attacks all at once tho

True, Part 1 feats are much different than Part 2 feats. In Part 2, Kishi for some reason makes every character stronger than originally planned for them to be.

 

[super yang]

Care to explain why its a myth?

because stamina isn't quantifiable to begin with.

its just an open bias & is widely accepted cuz he is ''old''

the guy used 2 shadow clones, the strongest boss summon & shiki fuujin simultaneously, while getting stabbed by a legendary item(and still performed a sealing)...its a matter of interpretation

 

[Draegod]

Ehhh i prefer feats over DB stats because they arent very reliable.
he did manage to fight in the war and use 5 shadow clones and 5 elemental attacks all at once tho

He also preformed 2 (or 3 hiruzens) and RDS (RDS>>>>>>5 elemental attacks by a large margin) all while fighting with Zero Light and then proceeded to Battle Oru with Emma and then seal his arms despite having Kusanagi in his back. Truth is he was fighting smart against Oru not reckless. For example would you go alla out or waist chakra knowing you can't beat something that only has one weakness (edos needed to be sealed). He also knew he wasn't going to be able to Seal like the alliance sealed in the war because oru would just break them out soon after. So he sealed there souls so they couldn't have been used against him later on or any other ninja for that fact (the 2 strongest ninjas ever).

Fact is his performance against oru was more like rust in the beginning and emotional. Once he warmed up he handled Enma no diff, created clones to seal and used one of the most OP jutsu ever shown (even till this day) 3 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Old hiruzen and edo hiruzen only differ in regen and pain basically. Besides that Edo grants the user with it's alive chakra Cap and abilities (fact). Edo doesn't make your chakra go up more from what it was when alive. One could also argue He wasn't even summoned full power (fact from Tobirama) and an edo body is weaker then alive body (madara).

 

[LuckyMan]

Hiruzen wins this while smoking his pipe.

 

[Zexion~]

Smh

He CAN beat Edo Hiruzen, he has the upperhand in CQC,and if there is no intel.

He beats old hiruzen with medium difficulty at the worst.

 

[LuckyMan]

Smh

He CAN beat Edo Hiruzen, he has the upperhand in CQC,and if there is no intel.

He beats old hiruzen with medium difficulty at the worst.

Edo Hiruzen us weaker than Alive Hiruzen. Alive Hiruzen wins medium difficulty. I think that's what you meant.

 

[Zexion~]

Edo Hiruzen us weaker than Alive Hiruzen. Alive Hiruzen wins medium difficulty. I think that's what you meant.

.... As in alive old hiruzen? He obviously wins :lol

Please don't get started on wank, old Hiruzen with the feats he's given can get stomped.

 

[LuckyMan]

.... As in alive old hiruzen? He obviously wins :lol

Please don't get started on wank, old Hiruzen with the feats he's given can get stomped.

Old Hiruzen is Edo Hiruzen, he's simply in the living. It's not wank. Kakuzu would lose.

 

[Draegod]

Old Hiruzen is Edo Hiruzen, he's simply in the living. It's not wank. Kakuzu would lose.

He doesn't get it at all. lol

 

[ultraChalk]

Well they can both use the same elements but I daresay Hiruzen has the advantage being an expert in firestyle techs and burning ash style, where Kakazu is more like an ace of all spades. And his mud placement technique can really put a handicap on Kakazus movement. Only thing I can really give Kakazu is superior range.

Hiruzen is faster and has superior reflexes, combating with both the first and second Hokage. Albeit weaker forms, but still more powerful than Kakazu even individually.

Lets not forget... he lost to teen, pre-sage mode Naruto who Hiruzen can definitely beat.

And I didn't even mention the Monkey King Enma who can turn this into a mid diff at most.