Kakuzu vs Gengetsu

[BenjerminGaye]

no intel? gengetsu takes it. he doesn't have to say shit about the clam.

 

[Draegod]

Nope. Do you do anything besides talk shit to other people on an anime site? Pretty much every day I see another sneak diss comment from you concerning me or Ice. Why, even today there was another one.



Why don't you just hop off my **** brah? And Ice's too. You seem to love riding it, and you always talk shit about my arguments but can't even respond to me, despite me asking multiple times if you would respond.

"I'll trash any weak moves you throw!"

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No response.

"Oru wins both, first high diff, second is low diff! It's not even up for discussion zetsu oru"

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No response.

I didn't get a response here either, despite you obviously having read it because you continued to dislike posts in the thread.

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"It's not that serious my guy." Please stfu and take your own advice for once in your life. You literally do not know me.

1. I rarely if ever talk about ice or even mention him, Kratos stated his name I simply replied. Haven't had disagreements with him in ages and even wanted/allowed him to judge a debate if mine recently. I'm cordial with ice just like yanking his chain every now and then.

2. I asked a simple question since you make 5 threads a day with the same ninjas begging for responses. If you're only hobby is the internet then cool, was just curious.

3. I literally forgot about all them threads. Lmao been too busy to even think about replying remotely serious do I just post when I can. No one serious to worry about that I need to reply ASAP. EJ is the only person that I need to reply to, everything else is just idel time. If you really want a response I'll see what I can do next time, but not on every topic at once, too many better things to do plus I lose interest fast (so many threads and videos that have yet to be posted)

You're clearly the sensitive type, and that's fine. If you feel as though I'm to harsh on you then say so. I'll happily tone it down (which is funny because this is nothing). ??

 

[EZQ]

no intel? gengetsu takes it. he doesn't have to say shit about the clam.

Kakuzu is smart and would recognize genjutsu easely. It's an illusion after all

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakuzu is smart and would recognize genjutsu easely. It's an illusion after all

i dont think hes smart enough to figure out the clams role in the genjutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

i dont think hes smart enough to figure out the clams role in the genjutsu.

4.5 in intelligence, has lived for longer then anyone and countered Shadow jutsu via kunai without having seen it before

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. Not figuring out how Genjutsu works seems far-fetched if anything, given it'll happen after a summoning jutsu is used.

 

[EZQ]

4.5 in intelligence, has lived for longer then anyone and countered Shadow jutsu via kunai without having seen it before

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. Not figuring out how Genjutsu works seems far-fetched if anything, given it'll happen after a summoning jutsu is used.

Agreed.

The summon is used --> Kakuzu starts to see illusions --> Smart and experienced --> realizes he must take out the summon

 

[Zexion~]

He doesn't need to know how it works, its mist he'll try to blow it away with fuuton and end the clam in the process :lol


But yeah, underrating Kakuzu's intellegence, he wins this with medium difficulty.

 

[itsxtrayy]

4.5 in intelligence, has lived for longer then anyone and countered Shadow jutsu via kunai without having seen it before

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. Not figuring out how Genjutsu works seems far-fetched if anything, given it'll happen after a summoning jutsu is used.

Yet still taken out by a clone feint, and not even a clever clone feint, this guy's intelligence is overrated.

 

[Zexion~]

Yet still taken out by a clone feint, and not even a clever clone feint, this guy's intelligence is overrated.

Not a clever clone feint but you can't explain how it happened can you, nothing to do with intellegence he was overconfident, I guess you can subtract that from his intellegence however I doubt a calm collected Kakuzu who hadn't already lost two hearts would have made the same mistake.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Yet still taken out by a clone feint, and not even a clever clone feint, this guy's intelligence is overrated.

You've offered speculation that he can counter the clam not bulletproof facts. His intelligence isn't as good as you're making it out to be, as evidenced by falling for the simplest clone feint in the entire manga. It's one of the most pathetic defeats in the entire series, that guy can't figure out something as complex as what Gengetsu does. He sent his arm underground because he's a cautious man and didn't know what was going on, it was a precaution. He never deduced anything, all he did was compliment Shikamaru on his deduction's all fight. And when it came time to see if that brain of his was worth anything he proved it wasn't by letting a Naruto who couldn't even throw his RS yet murk him. And please don't use databook stats we all know they're worthless feats are what matter.

 

[itsxtrayy]

4.5 in intelligence, has lived for longer then anyone and countered Shadow jutsu via kunai without having seen it before

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. Not figuring out how Genjutsu works seems far-fetched if anything, given it'll happen after a summoning jutsu is used.

You've offered speculation that he can counter the clam not bulletproof facts. His intelligence isn't as good as you're making it out to be, as evidenced by falling for the simplest clone feint in the entire manga. It's one of the most pathetic defeats in the entire series, that guy can't figure out something as complex as what Gengetsu does. He sent his arm underground because he's a cautious man and didn't know what was going on, it was a precaution. He never deduced anything, all he did was compliment Shikamaru on his deduction's all fight. And when it came time to see if that brain of his was worth anything he proved it wasn't by letting a Naruto who couldn't even throw his RS yet murk him. And please don't use databook stats we all know they're worthless feats are what matter.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Not a clever clone feint but you can't explain how it happened can you, nothing to do with intellegence he was overconfident, I guess you can subtract that from his intellegence however I doubt a calm collected Kakuzu who hadn't already lost two hearts would have made the same mistake.

Can't explain how it happened, lol, who do you think I am? Kakuzu? Naruto mixed himself with the clones that Kakuzu thought was a diversion and lured him into attacking a clone who had the frs in his hand, then wrecked him from behind. This guy had tons of ways to counter that, but he was a moron.

 

[Zexion~]

Can't explain how it happened, lol, who do you think I am? Kakuzu? Naruto mixed himself with the clones that Kakuzu thought was a diversion and lured him into attacking a clone who had the frs in his hand, then wrecked him from behind. This guy had tons of ways to counter that, but he was a moron.

So you're saying he simply lost track of Naruto? When he was able to react to someone he didn't even know was present within a jutsu that is meant to interupt your field of view?

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Can I hear "rushed arc"

 

[Apêx1]

You've offered speculation that he can counter the clam not bulletproof facts. His intelligence isn't as good as you're making it out to be, as evidenced by falling for the simplest clone feint in the entire manga. It's one of the most pathetic defeats in the entire series, that guy can't figure out something as complex as what Gengetsu does. He sent his arm underground because he's a cautious man and didn't know what was going on, it was a precaution. He never deduced anything, all he did was compliment Shikamaru on his deduction's all fight. And when it came time to see if that brain of his was worth anything he proved it wasn't by letting a Naruto who couldn't even throw his RS yet murk him. And please don't use databook stats we all know they're worthless feats are what matter.

He sees a clam being summoned but it doesn't do anything>Genjutsu occurs>Obviously will attribute it to the clam. Has 4.5 in DB intelligence, whether you like or dislike the Databook is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Databook is canon and canon states he's far more intelligent then 90% of Shinobi. Then there's the fact his experience is beyond anyone's in the manga given his age. Stop posting feats or gtfo since me providing such an intelligence feat is the equivalent of me posting him canonically deducing the clam genjutsu in an actual scenario between them, when obviously they never fought. Learn what deduction is, because not everything is feats or gtfo like your dumbass thinks.

 

[itsxtrayy]

He sees a clam being summoned but it doesn't do anything>Genjutsu occurs>Obviously will attribute it to the clam. Has 4.5 in DB intelligence, whether you like or dislike the Databook is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Databook is canon and canon states he's far more intelligent then 90% of Shinobi. Then there's the fact his experience is beyond anyone's in the manga given his age. Stop posting feats or gtfo since me providing such an intelligence feat is the equivalent of me posting him canonically deducing the clam genjutsu in an actual scenario between them, when obviously they never fought. Learn what deduction is, because not everything is feats or gtfo like your dumbass thinks.

Lmfao, i'm saying his intelligence feats lead me to believe he's not smart enough to deduce the clams role in the genjutu. And you can't prove he's smart enough to do that, thats what I meant by facts but I misspoke, my bad. No need to call people names. And what did all that experience do for him against Naruto? A ninja who at the time was maybe mid jonin at best? Absolutely nothing. My deduction that he can't figure out the clam is based on manga evidence of him being tricked by something much simpler. It's up to you to prove that he can figure it out.

 

[Apêx1]

Lmfao, i'm saying his intelligence feats lead me to believe he's not smart enough to deduce the clams role in the genjutu. And you can't prove he's smart enough to do that, thats what I meant by facts but I misspoke, my bad. No need to call people names. And what did all that experience do for him against Naruto? A ninja who at the time was maybe mid jonin at best? Absolutely nothing. My deduction that he can't figure out the clam is based on manga evidence of him being tricked by something much simpler. It's up to you to prove that he can figure it out.

Which is once again, a completely baseless claim. Any dumbass could deduce it merely by the process, Kakuzu's 4.5 intelligence and experience make him an obvious counter. Not being able to counter a Kage Bunshin feint because of a mistake in strategy is completely different from being able to deduce the workings of a summon which has an obvious purpose. Not all intelligence feats are the same, I'm not going to say Itachi is as intelligent as Tobirama when discussing the creation of jutsu in the same way I won't say Tobirama is as intelligent as Itachi in terms of strategy and deceit. Experience and logical deduction go hand in hand, he's clearly capable of deducing something so obvious. 4.5 intelligence and his life-span is more then substantial evidence.

 

[Lord Tywin]

kakuzu can easily find out the purpose of the clam. Certainly with the "giant" opening which it releases its cloud.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Which is once again, a completely baseless claim. Any dumbass could deduce it merely by the process, Kakuzu's 4.5 intelligence and experience make him an obvious counter. Not being able to counter a Kage Bunshin feint because of a mistake in strategy is completely different from being able to deduce the workings of a summon which has an obvious purpose. Not all intelligence feats are the same, I'm not going to say Itachi is as intelligent as Tobirama when discussing the creation of jutsu in the same way I won't say Tobirama is as intelligent as Itachi in terms of strategy and deceit. Experience and logical deduction go hand in hand, he's clearly capable of deducing something so obvious. 4.5 intelligence and his life-span is more then substantial evidence.

"He's clearly capable of deducing something so obvious. 4.5 intelligence and his life-span is more then substantial evidence."
Then why did he lose to a clone feint?

 

[Apêx1]

"He's clearly capable of deducing something so obvious. 4.5 intelligence and his life-span is more then substantial evidence."
Then why did he lose to a clone feint?

It's almost like you didn't read.

 

[EZQ]

Kakuzu losing to a clone feint:

-Against Naruto who clone feinted Pain, but yeah, i'm sure his clone feints are not good

-Having already lost 2 hearts

-Obviously exhausted from his previous fight.

But hey, he just fell in because he's not smart.