Kakuzu vs Edo Hiruzen

[Curse Mark]

Curse this should be obvious, honestly. There no discussion that the elements advantage, at the same level (WHICH THEY ARE), is going to win against an element at a disadvantage.

Why are you saying they're on the same level? Just because of size/ AOE?

And I'm just trying to clarify his reasoning like I said.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Why are you saying they're on the same level? Just because of size/ AOE?

And I'm just trying to clarify his reasoning like I said.

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] We can assume Hiruzen holds for that statement too

High level vs High level = ???

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hiruzen low diff

 

[Curse Mark]

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High level vs High level = ???

Yeah i wouldn't argue it that way. At the time it was a high level tech and then we see things like FRS and bijuudama and COFRS. All of which are high level.

So high level vs high level doesn't really do this justice. We should be analyzing the jutsu not its hype.

 

[Bogard]

Where?

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Ginkaku was mentioned to be the gold when Kakuzu was the bishop

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yeah i wouldn't argue it that way. At the time it was a high level tech and then we see things like FRS and bijuudama and COFRS. All of which are high level.

So high level vs high level doesn't really do this justice. We should be analyzing the jutsu not its hype.

Nope nothing changes. It has and always will be a high level techs. FRS is also high level, so I dont know why bring it up when we seen it on par with Kakuzu's element (Kakuzu's Futon changed up Katon match Naruto's Futon changed up Suiton). Bijudama is not in any element scale so bringing it up is irrelevant. and COFRS is simply a more the attack with more power and chakra into the tech. Its not going to change its ranking. Its going to change the power of the attack.

So mentioning this isnt going to change the fact that Kakuzu Futon>Hiruzen Raiton

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Ginkaku was mentioned to be the gold when Kakuzu was the bishop

Your getting chess ranking different from Shogi. I looked around comment concerning Shogi rankings compare to chess. Check it out:

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Basically Ginkaku being more "valuable" piece is not mentioned in Shogi context.

 

[Zexion~]

DK no one was asking for your opinion on the match nor was I putting words in your mouth, I literally only wanted to know why you don't think fuuton would overpower raiton in this particular scenario so I could try and explain to you why it should :lol


I would easily say they are on the same strength. Also just as a side note Yamato also stated Kakuzu was charging his chakra,

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I've seen alot of assuming around the VS section lately, so "assuming" Kakuzu also could use an even stronger elemental attacks could be concluded, one that he thought would counter FRS even.

 

[Curse Mark]

I would easily say they are on the same strength. Also just as a side note Yamato also stated Kakuzu was charging his chakra,

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I've seen alot of assuming around the VS section lately, so "assuming" Kakuzu also could use an even stronger elemental attacks could be concluded, one that he thought would counter FRS even.

That's a massive assumption though.

1. What about charging chakra implies that he was going to use an elemental attack?
2. What about charging chakra implies it was going to be a stronger elemental attack than his other attacks?

Kabuto also used chakra to protect himself against Naruto's rasengan.

All i'm saying is that there's no purpose in trying to decode what Yamato meant. It doesn't even matter.

You said Atsugai and Hiruzen's raiton are equal, so if Hiruzen used 4 clones and they all used raiton, that shouldn't be countered by Atsugai.

 

[Zexion~]

That's a massive assumption though.

1. What about charging chakra implies that he was going to use an elemental attack?
2. What about charging chakra implies it was going to be a stronger elemental attack than his other attacks?

Kabuto also used chakra to protect himself against Naruto's rasengan.

All i'm saying is that there's no purpose in trying to decode what Yamato meant. It doesn't even matter.

-What else would it be? He had already changed forms so its not like that was what caused the chakra to spike.

-He showed no charging of that leangth for any of his previous attacks....

It is an assumption.....

You said Atsugai and Hiruzen's raiton are equal, so if Hiruzen used 4 clones and they all used raiton, that shouldn't be countered by Atsugai.

They are not equal obviously as the fuuton is stronger, and I don't think he could really fire 4 massive raitons at one small target..... however Kakuzu's fuuton is really large man, been a while but if all the areas of his fuuton are just as strong striking different spots shouldn't mean that the others can't be stopped with fuuton either. Even if so, it would halt them at the very least allowing Kakuzu to move away, meanwhile he has three other hearts able to attack Hiruzens main body.


Also don't forget Kakuzu can create multiple bolts of his gian, and while he's only shown to fire two that should be enough.

Atsugai> Two raiton

Gian> Whatever raiton break through (if any)

Unless you're going to argue that the raiton has more potency than raikiri.