[VS] kakuzu vs deva

[Uverdore9]

Match: Konoha crater.
Intel: None.
Chakra : limited
Distance : 70 meters.

Who wins?

 

[3MESSIAH]

Deva blows him away

 

[Edogawa]

Didn't Deva Pain low diff Kakashi and his squad with small scale ST? Imagine him showering meteorites and mountain busting STs.

 

[Leathercandle]

Deva path wins, probably. Kakuzu would have to capitalize on the cool down of almightly push to win, which is already a small window of time if I remember correctly. Deva's larger scale jutsus like Planetary Devastation are also, imo, too much for Kakuzu to handle.

 

[Uverdore9]

Deva path wins, probably. Kakuzu would have to capitalize on the cool down of almightly push to win, which is already a small window of time if I remember correctly. Deva's larger scale jutsus like Planetary Devastation are also, imo, too much for Kakuzu to handle.

Planetary Devastation = Nagato's/Outer Path's Jutsu.


--->> Deva = God Realm/Path.


------>>>>..Kakuzu can tank the force with his thread bodies/ Iron Spear then proceed to take Deva's heart. Kakuzu has superior speed feats(Manhandled Kakashi).

 

[Leathercandle]

Planetary Devastation = Nagato's/Outer Path's Jutsu.


--->> Deva = God Realm/Path.


------>>>>..Kakuzu can tank the force with his thread bodies/ Iron Spear then proceed to take Deva's heart. Kakuzu has superior speed feats(Manhandled Kakashi).

First of all, could you please link a manga scan or some reliable source that proves Kakuzu's dark threads are as indestructible as you say they are? Because Both raikiri and rasenshuriken were able to pierce it. Rasenshuriken breaks down the opponent's cells, opposed to raikiri which tears through flesh and other obstacles. I say this because these are two different ways that the dark threads were destroyed. To your claim that Kakashi said that raikiri could pierce anything - I interpret that loosely. For example, it could not cut through S ranked wind armor, as that would simply go against elemental strengths and weaknesses. When he said that, I believe he meant that it could cut through a lot of things, as it's clearly a powerful jutsu that was created to cut and slice through things. Also if you were just saying that Deva couldn't use Planetary Devastation... yes he can. It was through Deva path that Nagato was able to perform Planetary Devastation against Naruto.

As for Deva's speed, you may be mistaken to say that Kakuzu outclasses him. Deva was about the same speed as Jiraiya, which can be seen during their fight, as well as Kakashi. Furthermore - Kakuzu wasn't outspeeding Kakashi during their fight either, they were about evenly matched.

 

[Hakke]

2018 and you're still posting nonsense threads huh?

 

[Uverdore9]

First of all, could you please link a manga scan or some reliable source that proves Kakuzu's dark threads are as indestructible as you say they are? Because Both raikiri and rasenshuriken were able to pierce it. Rasenshuriken breaks down the opponent's cells, opposed to raikiri which tears through flesh and other obstacles. I say this because these are two different ways that the dark threads were destroyed. To your claim that Kakashi said that raikiri could pierce anything - I interpret that loosely. For example, it could not cut through S ranked wind armor, as that would simply go against elemental strengths and weaknesses. When he said that, I believe he meant that it could cut through a lot of things, as it's clearly a powerful jutsu that was created to cut and slice through things. Also if you were just saying that Deva couldn't use Planetary Devastation... yes he can. It was through Deva path that Nagato was able to perform Planetary Devastation against Naruto.

As for Deva's speed, you may be mistaken to say that Kakuzu outclasses him. Deva was about the same speed as Jiraiya, which can be seen during their fight, as well as Kakashi. Furthermore - Kakuzu wasn't outspeeding Kakashi during their fight either, they were about evenly matched.

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------>>> Kakashi evenly paced but was overpowered even with Sharingan's foresight. Add this with the limitless extension capacity of his threads and the creatures attacking from all directions ; Deva is done.

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---->>> A fighting method where distance doesnt matter meaning from long range, thread manipulation in limitless amounts ; takes place.


------>>>>> Jiraiya is definitely not faster than Kakashi who was the second fastest in Leaf in part 1 after Gai as per Sasuke's words.


------->>>>> Chibaku Tensei is an Outer Path Technique. Deva could not use it when far apart from Nagato.

 

[Leathercandle]

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------>>> Kakashi evenly paced but was overpowered even with Sharingan's foresight. Add this with the limitless extension capacity of his threads and the creatures attacking from all directions ; Deva is done.

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---->>> A fighting method where distance doesnt matter meaning from long range, thread manipulation in limitless amounts ; takes place.


------>>>>> Jiraiya is definitely not faster than Kakashi who was the second fastest in Leaf in part 1 after Gai as per Sasuke's words.


------->>>>> Chibaku Tensei is an Outer Path Technique. Deva could not use it when far apart from Nagato.

I'm not trying to be rude but that last statement is just... look - Pain literally can't fight if Nagato isn't controlling him, so that logic makes no sense whatsoever. Deva's abilities are a part of Nagato's abilities. Also the point about Jiraiya doesn't matter, Deva was at equal speeds to Kakashi, who was equal speeds to Kakuzu. Kakuzu was not outspeeding Kakashi, go re-watch the fight. Also so what if Kakuzu's dark threads have really far ranges, all Deva has to do is use Almighty Push.

Like I said, that manga panel of Kakashi isn't true. Raikiri can not cut through anything. Again, with my example of the S ranked wind armor, it literally could not pierce that, it would go against elemental interactions if it did. That was Guy's statement, it's not in a data book or anything and therefore there isn't any factual evidence backing it up.

Finally, you didn't include a link to his threads being indestructible.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Planetary Devastation = Nagato's/Outer Path's Jutsu.


--->> Deva = God Realm/Path.


------>>>>..Kakuzu can tank the force with his thread bodies/ Iron Spear then proceed to take Deva's heart. Kakuzu has superior speed feats(Manhandled Kakashi).

Planetary devastation, is deva not outer.

 

[Antdog]

CT GG or CST GG

 

[Animegoin]

Planetary devastation, is deva not outer.

Lmfao don’t waste your “breath” on enlightening him. This is something that he and the moron in my sig, Rikudou Tobi, absolutely refuse to accept.

 

[Uverdore9]

I'm not trying to be rude but that last statement is just... look - Pain literally can't fight if Nagato isn't controlling him, so that logic makes no sense whatsoever. Deva's abilities are a part of Nagato's abilities. Also the point about Jiraiya doesn't matter, Deva was at equal speeds to Kakashi, who was equal speeds to Kakuzu. Kakuzu was not outspeeding Kakashi, go re-watch the fight. Also so what if Kakuzu's dark threads have really far ranges, all Deva has to do is use Almighty Push.

Like I said, that manga panel of Kakashi isn't true. Raikiri can not cut through anything. Again, with my example of the S ranked wind armor, it literally could not pierce that, it would go against elemental interactions if it did. That was Guy's statement, it's not in a data book or anything and therefore there isn't any factual evidence backing it up.

Finally, you didn't include a link to his threads being indestructible.

No. Deva Path's abilities are Repulsion and Attraction forces. Nagato is controlling the paths; fine, that doesn't change the fact, deva had to come closer to Nagato to utilize the technique whereas he could utilize Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin from the village's center-point itself. More proof, Nagato used hand signs himself along with deva; if it can be used by deva alone, why else woulf Nagato perform the seals in conjunction. Read this Databook.

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Shinra-tensei (All-Nature Repulsion).*
Ninjutsu, Keke-genkai, offensive, defensive, close range.
Users:Nagato
Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.*
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .
So it seems that shinra tensei uses natural gravitational force, and only the one who has all chakra transformation (including yin-yang) can manipulate natural gravity field (shinra obiki).

It says it's Nagato's technique then says it's Pain Tendo's technique; meaning Nagato uses the technique through Tendo but has to use CT himself. There are seven realms from which these powers are used by Nagato; that is why they are called "Realms" as in Ten "do" which means Heavenly Realm similar to Madara's Limbo which is an invisible realm. Nagato is the Outer Path who possesses CT as every Rinnegan user has used CT except Obito(he couldn't control the eyes).








That was Raikiri's Databook, has it failed to cut through anything?






Threads can pierce through the ground and pierce back through a different tunnel, which should prove how penetrative it is. His body is composed of entirely threads thus he can tank Shinra Tensei which do not render physical pain; rather just pushing as seen when Choji and Naruto were pushed nothing happened to them physically. Chakra focused in feet can resist ST to an extent as Tsunade theorized; if ST large scale is spammed; the time limit will increase; which allows Kakuzu to strangle Deva Path.







Deva was not keeping up with Kakashi in foot, he was using BT and ST to comprise for lack of footspeed, whereas Kakuzu was evenly paced but in pure CQC(threads are part of his body).

 

[Animegoin]

No. Deva Path's abilities are Repulsion and Attraction forces. Nagato is controlling the paths; fine, that doesn't change the fact, deva had to come closer to Nagato to utilize the technique whereas he could utilize Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin from the village's center-point itself. More proof, Nagato used hand signs himself along with deva; if it can be used by deva alone, why else woulf Nagato perform the seals in conjunction. Read this Databook.

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Shinra-tensei (All-Nature Repulsion).*
Ninjutsu, Keke-genkai, offensive, defensive, close range.
Users:Nagato
Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.*
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .
So it seems that shinra tensei uses natural gravitational force, and only the one who has all chakra transformation (including yin-yang) can manipulate natural gravity field (shinra obiki).

It says it's Nagato's technique then says it's Pain Tendo's technique; meaning Nagato uses the technique through Tendo but has to use CT himself. There are seven realms from which these powers are used by Nagato; that is why they are called "Realms" as in Ten "do" which means Heavenly Realm similar to Madara's Limbo which is an invisible realm. Nagato is the Outer Path who possesses CT as every Rinnegan user has used CT except Obito(he couldn't control the eyes).

Bro, what? Nagato himself didn’t use any hand signs to perform Chibaku Tensei, he stood there with his arms to his side like he normally does. He only brought Tendo Pain closer to him so his Chakra signal would be stronger, especially since he exhausted so much of his chakra earlier with Shinra Tensei. Why do you think he stopped controlling the other Paths of Pain before he used Shinra Tensei? Lol

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Tell me where Nagato actually used his hands? Ohhh, in the anime. Lmfao okay, way to go. Chapters 438-441

 

[Uverdore9]

Bro, what? Nagato himself didn’t use any hand signs to perform Chibaku Tensei, he stood there with his arms to his side like he normally does. He only brought Tendo Pain closer to him so his Chakra signal would be stronger, especially since he exhausted so much of his chakra earlier with Shinra Tensei. Why do you think he stopped controlling the other Paths of Pain before he used Shinra Tensei? Lol

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Tell me where Nagato actually used his hands? Ohhh, in the anime. Lmfao okay, way to go. Chapters 438-441

He still said "Planetary devastation" himself. The blood from his face proves the technique effects him personally because he is the one doing it; not passing chakra through a puppet and letting that puppet do the technique.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

First of all, could you please link a manga scan or some reliable source that proves Kakuzu's dark threads are as indestructible as you say they are? Because Both raikiri and rasenshuriken were able to pierce it. Rasenshuriken breaks down the opponent's cells, opposed to raikiri which tears through flesh and other obstacles. I say this because these are two different ways that the dark threads were destroyed. To your claim that Kakashi said that raikiri could pierce anything - I interpret that loosely. For example, it could not cut through S ranked wind armor, as that would simply go against elemental strengths and weaknesses. When he said that, I believe he meant that it could cut through a lot of things, as it's clearly a powerful jutsu that was created to cut and slice through things. Also if you were just saying that Deva couldn't use Planetary Devastation... yes he can. It was through Deva path that Nagato was able to perform Planetary Devastation against Naruto.

As for Deva's speed, you may be mistaken to say that Kakuzu outclasses him. Deva was about the same speed as Jiraiya, which can be seen during their fight, as well as Kakashi. Furthermore - Kakuzu wasn't outspeeding Kakashi during their fight either, they were about evenly matched.

I think what he’s trying to say is that chibaku tensei is not the powers that have to do with the realms, it’s just a rinnegan power that can manipulate planetoids such as Madara Tengai Shinsei

Off topic: That retarded moron Aminegoin better keep my name off of his mouth because nobody is stupid enough to say all six path powers are the rinnegan and that six path chidori is a rinnegan technique. Dumbass. You inbred retarded *****. Go back to ****ing your cousin and hop of this base.

 

[Animegoin]

He still said "Planetary devastation" himself. The blood from his face proves the technique effects him personally because he is the one doing it; not passing chakra through a puppet and letting that puppet do the technique.

Lmfao of course, there always a “but” when you get destroyed. @Bold: Lmfao the blood is there because he’s stressing his own body out by sending a huge amount of chakra to Tendo Pain for him to utilize the technique. He’s controlling Pain and the Chibaku Tensei simultaneously. Again, argument destroyed.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lmfao of course, there always a “but” when you get destroyed. @Bold: Lmfao the blood is there because he’s stressing his own body out by sending a huge amount of chakra to Tendo Pain for him to utilize the technique. He’s controlling Pain and the Chibaku Tensei simultaneously. Again, argument destroyed.

Chibaku Tensei is listed outer path technique in Databook Tendo is just performing it on the behalf of Nagato Tendo's techniques are Bansho and Shinra. The analysis of leaf intelligence was every pain can only use one ability.

 

[Animegoin]

Chibaku Tensei is listed outer path technique in Databook Tendo is just performing it on the behalf of Nagato Tendo's techniques are Bansho and Shinra. The analysis of leaf intelligence was every pain can only use one ability.

Wrong.

 

[TheMask]

Wasn't there a game fight between the two characters?
While not canon i am pretty sure Deva's technique like Shinra Tensei (one which destroys Konoha) or Chibaku Tensei one which forces 9 tails out of Naruto should kill him.