Kakuzu v Gai Sensei

[Tantalus Thief]

And Mokuton doesn't have any stated special functions, which suggest it can be remotely controlled from far away distance. So it remains to only be controlled from close to mid range, anything beyond that and the user loses control.



Because pushed away by an attack proportional to the Turtle Island is apparently not far? :lol You're free to believe that.



None of this matters. It's not like Gai is able to manipulate the potency of his attack, if it exploded at such magnitude. So he was using his maximum power to capture Gai in the end, just as any character did. Intention doesn't influence his fighting style at all, when he's releasing huge attacks.



Correlating examples when they don't even correlate. Suigetsu is forming a Biju-sized water using Chakra, which isn't the same components that make up natural water. TBB is a nuclear attack and it's not influenced by environmental causes, as they just explode upon contact; Hirudora, on the other hand, is influenced by environmental cause (water) because he's using an air pressure attack. Hirudora in water > Hirudora outside of water.



Then chapter 609 wouldn't end with quoting Madara: ''Oh well'' - Then he deactivated as his casual arrogance built on his character. I don't see any scan of Hirudora destroying Susanoo, when it fails to kill Kisame.

1 think of it like this. If gaara makes a sand pyramid it would still remain no matter the distance. If Hiruzen makes a doton wall, the wall would remain no matter where he was right. Same thing for the mokuton bidings. Heck JJ Madara's mokuton was still around even though he was obviously very far way from most of the planet. By your logic most of the mokuton should have disappeared right after he casted the jutsu. If you say being a JJ negated that then why did the mokuton remain even after Madara died (when he died one of the hokages said his chakra disappeared and the chakra rods on Hashirama seemed to not paralyze him anymore). The answer is simple. Madara doesn't need to be in range of mokuton that already exists. BTW the mokuton Madara left after he transformed into Kaguya was still regenerating even after they were cut down and Madara was gone (as noted by Minato) so that further disproves your point

>LMAO yes Guy can manipulate the force. Does Guy operate like a handgun where he can't manipulate the force of his attacks. I hope you don't believe that.

>He said "oh well" because the Juubi was revived which he didn't know when that would occur. Madara himself said he wanted to capture the 8 and 9 tails first. If Hiroudora did nothing to him then why didn't he admittedly return to where Obito was (which took him a couple panels later) and why did the mokuton loosen? The logical conclusion is that Guy's attack must have destroyed Susanoo and damaged Madara which caused the mokuton to free Killer Bee.

>also it's completely possible that the force of GSB was enough to weaken the Tiger enough for Kisame to save himself some damage like the water avatar was enough for Suigetsu to save himself getting turned into dust from the bijuu bomb.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara failed to maintain his connection through Mokuton after Hirudora exploded, so distance had nothing to do with it.

 

[Edogawa]

1 think of it like this. If gaara makes a sand pyramid it would still remain no matter the distance. If Hiruzen makes a doton wall, the wall would remain no matter where he was right. Same thing for the mokuton bidings. Heck JJ Madara's mokuton was still around even though he was obviously very far way from most of the planet. By your logic most of the mokuton should have disappeared right after he casted the jutsu. If you say being a JJ negated that then why did the mokuton remain even after Madara died (when he died one of the hokages said his chakra disappeared and the chakra rods on Hashirama seemed to not paralyze him anymore). The answer is simple. Madara doesn't need to be in range of mokuton that already exists. BTW the mokuton Madara left after he transformed into Kaguya was still regenerating even after they were cut down and Madara was gone (as noted by Minato) so that further disproves your point

It's amazing how you write wall of text full of blatant retardation.

-Gaara's sand is natural basing on sealing.
-JJ Madara's Mokuton didn't disappear because Kaguya was present at the time, prolonging the Jutsu further.

->LMAO yes Guy can manipulate the force. Does Guy operate like a handgun where he can't manipulate the force of his attacks. I hope you don't believe that.

If he's releasing a mountain sized attack, then he's applying full force. Why is this difficult to understand?

>He said "oh well" because the Juubi was revived which he didn't know when that would occur. Madara himself said he wanted to capture the 8 and 9 tails first. If Hiroudora did nothing to him then why didn't he admittedly return to where Obito was (which took him a couple panels later) and why did the mokuton loosen? The logical conclusion is that Guy's attack must have destroyed Susanoo and damaged Madara which caused the mokuton to free Killer Bee.

Madara would then use PS if he's all out in capturing Bee and Naruto. He didn't appear in chapters later, simply because of how the author built up his character.

>also it's completely possible that the force of GSB was enough to weaken the Tiger enough for Kisame to save himself some damage like the water avatar was enough for Suigetsu to save himself getting turned into dust from the bijuu bomb.

Except GSB's mechanism is that it becomes stronger against Ninjutsu, and Hirudora was Taijutsu shutting up this speculation. Hirudora pierces right through GSB, because it can't absorb it and explodes on Kisame, still failing to kill him.

 

[EZQ]

Good lord, EZQ. The organs itself that he gathers doesn't defy real life logic. They're fully functioning and beating hearts. When Hidan stabbed himself through the heart with his ritual, Kakuzu "died" just like an ordinary person would. Chakra cloak is canonically heat resistant, shown when it shielded Amaterasu with no difficulty. Not that that is even comparable to what I'm saying anyways, but your counter examples are horrendous.

No idea, but I already explained my reasoning. If Kakuzu is just going to camp in Domu, the possibility is very likely. Since he'll be engulfed in extremely hot flames for however long he decides to sit there.

Yeah i concede on the chakra cloak. It has a lot good feats against fire. But still... even when people get set on fire, there's no such things as "over heated" organs. For this to happen the contact with fire must be a lot of time, and a lot of fire. Second of all, Kakuzu was only shown to have hearts, and when the hearts were out of his body, he is just a sack of threads.

Here he takes out his four hearts. In this state, he's left "dead" if his heart within his body is taken down. Until one of the masks comes back to his body to replace the heart.

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We see him here being ambushed and chopped down. Any other edo would start regeneration here.

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And later, he keeps running, and his body is still chopped and hasn't returned to normal, at least by edo regen.

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Regen doesn't start, this is not damage to Kakuzu.

Anyways, still, even if Kakuzu had other organs besides his heart, the overheating is unlikely, since even people turnt in fire don't die from this, at least not instantly.

Gai should literally keep asa kujaku on Kakuzu for enough time for this to happen. Too far fetched.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Yeah i concede on the chakra cloak. It has a lot good feats against fire. But still... even when people get set on fire, there's no such things as "over heated" organs. For this to happen the contact with fire must be a lot of time, and a lot of fire. Second of all, Kakuzu was only shown to have hearts, and when the hearts were out of his body, he is just a sack of threads.

Here he takes out his four hearts. In this state, he's left "dead" if his heart within his body is taken down. Until one of the masks comes back to his body to replace the heart.

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We see him here being ambushed and chopped down. Any other edo would start regeneration here.

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And later, he keeps running, and his body is still chopped and hasn't returned to normal, at least by edo regen.

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Regen doesn't start, this is not damage to Kakuzu.

Anyways, still, even if Kakuzu had other organs besides his heart, the overheating is unlikely, since even people turnt in fire don't die from this, at least not instantly.

Gai should literally keep asa kujaku on Kakuzu for enough time for this to happen. Too far fetched.

This FT arguments are completely bias here.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Yeah i concede on the chakra cloak. It has a lot good feats against fire. But still... even when people get set on fire, there's no such things as "over heated" organs. For this to happen the contact with fire must be a lot of time, and a lot of fire. Second of all, Kakuzu was only shown to have hearts, and when the hearts were out of his body, he is just a sack of threads.

Regen doesn't start, this is not damage to Kakuzu.

Anyways, still, even if Kakuzu had other organs besides his heart, the overheating is unlikely, since even people turnt in fire don't die from this, at least not instantly.

Gai should literally keep asa kujaku on Kakuzu for enough time for this to happen. Too far fetched.

Yes, slashing attacks aren't very effective against Kakuzu. He can restitch his skin back together. What is your point? @ Bold, that is because the person would die before it occurs via other means like a lack of oxygen. If Kakuzu is going to just camp Domu (the arguments made to say Kakuzu beats 6G Gai) then this is a tactic that counters the notion. Simple. Imagine Kakuzu just sitting idly with Domu activated while his whole body is being set

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. You really think that he could sit there comfortably like that until Gai tires out? Absolutely not. Why?

A) The flames produced from Morning Peacock are hot enough to instantly evaporate Suiton, top right panel [

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B) Kakuzu will in fact, be effected by being engulfed in a ball of fire one way or another. Either he eventually runs out of oxygen, or his organs (hearts) will begin to fail. The former should occur first, but I don't want to deal with the whole Kakuzu doesn't breath arguments. In the case of the latter, organs start to fail when the body exceeds a 104°F core temperature. Something that shouldn't take extremely long due to the intensity of the flames that I established in my point above.

C) Kakuzu will not outlast Gai. He has a 5/5 in stamina for a reason. He can use Morning Peacock, immediately followed by Hirudora with zero indication of exhaustion. He can use Hirudora while barely having enough energy to stand. Holding the 6G is not an issue, even Rock Lee did from

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Kakuzu is not defeating 6G Gai by camping Domu the whole time. .

 

[EZQ]

Yes, slashing attacks aren't very effective against Kakuzu. He can restitch his skin back together. What is your point?

God, his torso which should be filled with organs if he was normal, was completely slashed. My point is that he probably doesn't have organs besides the hearts

@ Bold, that is because the person would die before it occurs via other means like a lack of oxygen. If Kakuzu is going to just camp Domu (the arguments made to say Kakuzu beats 6G Gai) then this is a tactic that counters the notion.

You're seriously implying that Gai is gonna keep asa kujaku on Kakuzu for long enough to overheat his organs. And no, there are people who are turnt in fire and DONT die for other reasons like asphixia, and still, their organs didn't fail.

Simple. Imagine Kakuzu just sitting idly with Domu activated while his whole body is being set

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. You really think that he could sit there comfortably like that until Gai tires out? Absolutely not. Why?

A) The flames produced from Morning Peacock are hot enough to instantly evaporate Suiton, top right panel [

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]. Water begins to only boil at 212°F, so the flames had to make the Suiton well exceed that temperature in order to cause it to instantly evaporate. In other words, Morning Peacocks flames are in fact extremely hot. Even the manga specifically states the

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.

B) Kakuzu will in fact, be effected by being engulfed in a ball of fire one way or another. Either he eventually runs out of oxygen, or his organs (hearts) will begin to fail. The former should occur first, but I don't want to deal with the whole Kakuzu doesn't breath arguments. In the case of the latter, organs start to fail when the body exceeds a 104°F core temperature. Something that shouldn't take extremely long due to the intensity of the flames that I established in my point above.

C) Kakuzu will not outlast Gai. He has a 5/5 in stamina for a reason. He can use Morning Peacock, immediately followed by Hirudora with zero indication of exhaustion. He can use Hirudora while barely having enough energy to stand. Holding the 6G is not an issue, even Rock Lee did from

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until

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Kakuzu is not defeating 6G Gai by camping Domu the whole time. .

Any fire instantly evaporates suiton. The heat of the flames evaporated the water, and the flames dissapeared, this happens with every fire + water situation. If there's more water than fire, then the water remains, but a good portion of it gets evaporated. Really i don't see your point with "instantly evaporates water" when there's clearly as much fire as water there. The flames of Asa Kujaku left the Kisame's 30% clone almost intact from outside, so there's no point in saying how hot they are when they're actualy feats of its heat.

And lmao, i'm still expecting an explanation on how on earth does Gai keep asa kujaku for LONG ENOUGH to make Kakuzu's heart fail.

Not to mention i completely disagree with the notion of Kakuzu losing all his masks in front of Gai in 6g and being forced to camp in domu. To be pointed, what will Gai use to destroy the masks? Asa Kujaku? If so, he uses it on the masks AND uses it on Kakuzu several times to over heat his organs? Come on now.

Kakuzu has no reason to have the mask OUTSIDE his body. He fuses with them the same as when Naruto arrives, and the moment asa kujaku comes out, Atsugai pushes the flames away. Fire > Wind doesn't apply here since the fire will grow in the direction the wind is pushing.. far from Kakuzu.

 

[Zexion~]

God, his torso which should be filled with organs if he was normal, was completely slashed. My point is that he probably doesn't have organs besides the hearts

You're seriously implying that Gai is gonna keep asa kujaku on Kakuzu for long enough to overheat his organs. And no, there are people who are turnt in fire and DONT die for other reasons like asphixia, and still, their organs didn't fail.


Any fire instantly evaporates suiton. The heat of the flames evaporated the water, and the flames dissapeared, this happens with every fire + water situation. If there's more water than fire, then the water remains, but a good portion of it gets evaporated. Really i don't see your point with "instantly evaporates water" when there's clearly as much fire as water there. The flames of Asa Kujaku left the Kisame's 30% clone almost intact from outside, so there's no point in saying how hot they are when they're actualy feats of its heat.

And lmao, i'm still expecting an explanation on how on earth does Gai keep asa kujaku for LONG ENOUGH to make Kakuzu's heart fail.

Not to mention i completely disagree with the notion of Kakuzu losing all his masks in front of Gai in 6g and being forced to camp in domu. To be pointed, what will Gai use to destroy the masks? Asa Kujaku? If so, he uses it on the masks AND uses it on Kakuzu several times to over heat his organs? Come on now.

Kakuzu has no reason to have the mask OUTSIDE his body. He fuses with them the same as when Naruto arrives, and the moment asa kujaku comes out, Atsugai pushes the flames away. Fire > Wind doesn't apply here since the fire will grow in the direction the wind is pushing.. far from Kakuzu.

A better feat arguing he doesn't have organs is the fact that when he was alive he split his back open and 4 giant beings sprung from it :lol no organs are present there clearly.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Kakuzu one shots with a Katon Zukkoku of a size that would exacerbate Madara's already-strong inferiority complex. Right after brushing off Daytime Tiger with jiongu threading, of course. Third Raikage who?

 

[EZQ]

A better feat arguing he doesn't have organs is the fact that when he was alive he split his back open and 4 giant beings sprung from it :lol no organs are present there clearly.

Yeah whatever, that's not even the main point here. Because not having organs is irrelevant when FT argues overheating Kakuzu's hearts.

Anyways, a normal body transmits heat a lot better than a bunch of threads.

1- Kakuzu's skin wouldn't turn in fire like a normal skin, decreasing the temperature of the next layer of body next to the skin

2- Kakuzu doesn't have blood or liquid in his body, the threads would increase the time Gai needs to keep up asa kujaku in order to over heat Kakuzu's heart

3- Kakuzu's masks getting destroyed in this matchup is ridiculouss if Kakuzu just fuses with them instead of letting them out to be easy targets, so Atsugai blows morning peackok away if used against him

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah whatever, that's not even the main point here. Because not having organs is irrelevant when FT argues overheating Kakuzu's hearts.

Anyways, a normal body transmits heat a lot better than a bunch of threads.

1- Kakuzu's skin wouldn't turn in fire like a normal skin, decreasing the temperature of the next layer of body next to the skin

2- Kakuzu doesn't have blood or liquid in his body, the threads would increase the time Gai needs to keep up asa kujaku in order to over heat Kakuzu's heart

3- Kakuzu's masks getting destroyed in this matchup is ridiculouss if Kakuzu just fuses with them instead of letting them out to be easy targets, so Atsugai blows morning peackok away if used against him

Yeah all I know is the overheating method is most certainly not working here, simply biased misplacing of real-life logic from FT.

 

[Uchihakil]

Kakuzu beats 6 gates guy and below, 7 gates is a tough one, maybe 2-3 hirudora's might put kakuzu down, but it's gonna be a high diff for guy nonetheless