Kakuzu v Gai Sensei

[Zexion~]

Once again, you're not reading. I said after all the masks are taken out, even though I don't see how this wouldn't work even with all of them. If Kakuzu wants to just camp Domo, he is literally just sitting there while his body is in flames. Referencing the threads in his body is so beyond irrelevant, and does nothing to aid your argument. Domu hardens and seals him shut. The body cools itself down by sweating out the pores, which is impossible with Domu activated. His body temperature will steadily increase, while all the heat will be trapped and insulated inside his body, resulting in the natural failure of his organs (hearts). You don't have any manga or real life facts to disprove this. Also, those individuals flames are strong enough to take out Suiton techniques. As in natural flames evaporating chakra enhanced water. Using the Akatsuki cloak example doesn't discredit Morning Peacock, because Gai punches hundreds of times per second. So the cloak was engulfed in flames for max a few seconds before falling into Kisame's water source.

And you do this every time whenever you're arguing against Gai. How many times does it take for you to comprehend that Gai is a stamina beast? 5/5 in stamina the DB. He used Morning Peacock on a huge scale, immediately followed by Hirudora, and showed zero sign of exhaustion. Literally

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whatsoever. In fact, Hirudora doesn't even require a whole lot of energy, seeing as it can be performed when Gai was already beyond slumped in the war arc. Then we have to factor the 2nd Gate, which refuels the user with energy as well. Gai can easily accomplish multiple Morning Peacocks before starting to exhaust himself and feeling the repercussions of gates.



Nope, it's only his skin. Nothing else.

Kakashi didn't keep up with 6G's speed, that is a misconception. Look at the

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. The V2 Jins were already within a close proximity before Kakashi and Gai made there move. They had to make a step or two max before clashing with the Jins. The next page over, Kakashi was seen making his frontal attack, while Gai altered his position and attacked aerial from the side, meaning he made much more movements then Kakashi did. 30% Kisame didn't react, he was blitzed with no physical reaction [

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]. He made the stance, and allowed Kisame to strike first.

Except we saw him tired as all hell when using ASK against Kisame, pretty sure opening the gates refuels stamina which is why he was able to utilize seventh gate after using ASK, show me an instance in where he used ASK and remained in 6th gate and you'll be set.

Now you're reaching, once again I read your post but I clearly said he doesn't need to remove the masks from his body, we've already seen Kakuzu smoking from the friction placed on his body with no internal damage at all

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its only logical that heat is also protected against with such a defensive jutsu :lol but say I play along with your ignorant argument despite once again you ignoring facts of science

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Even in cases of severe external charring, the internal organs are usually well preserved

Go on continue to prove you know more than a doctor in their field though.

Anyways if you think Kakuzu won't have enough time to fire fuuton on himself which would also force Gai to evade (easily) and put out the flames at the same time you're moronic.

Threads add an extra defense against heat and if normal humans organs are preserved here than Kakuzu's should be in extra okay shape.

All of this is ignoring the fact that Gai breaks his hands after the first few hits on Domu

Nope, it's only his skin. Nothing else.

Please do what you tell me to all the time and READ

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His back wasn't touched at all right? :lol


Edit- I fully expect to get a "This is why I don't argue with you" response, this is merely so others don't believe your argument that betrays normal science not to mention is easily countered.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Yea is was always spectacle on weather or not Domu would work if he fuses with his mask would they get the Domu cover up.

Kakashi in cannon kept up with with [SUP]6gated Gai[/SUP] Kisame's clone already reacted to

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there is no reason to believe Kakuzu wouldn't be able to react or keep up with Gai when people who are in Kakuzu speed range have already done the same.

You know by that logic I can say a human can react to a bullet doesn't matter if I can't stop her from hitting me if I can move my shoulder in response to the not going off I reacted

 

[Gabby-chan]

So Kakuzu > Gai > Kisame even though Kisame > Kakuzu _@:

 

[Zexion~]

So Kakuzu > Gai > Kisame even though Kisame > Gai _@:

Gai is > Kisame because he utilizes ZERO chakra and Kisame is so OP because he shits on everyone who uses chakra :lol Gai literally hard counters Kisame in every way possible.

 

[Gabby-chan]

Gai is > Kisame because he utilizes ZERO chakra and Kisame is so OP because he shits on everyone who uses chakra :lol Gai literally hard counters Kisame in every way possible.

Sorry. Fixed error.

 

[Zexion~]

Sorry. Fixed error.

Matchups are a thing, but Kakuzu isn't > Gai he's over 6 gate gai

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Will Kakazu really have the awareness and foresight to spam Domu whilst facing a 8 Gates User? Or am I thinking too 'in character' again?

But yeah, the databook hypes up Domu to an insane degree, even for hyperbolic databook standards- that thing is made of compressed chakra-infused diamond. It tanks Hirudora.

 

[Gabby-chan]

Will Kakazu really have the awareness and foresight to spam Domu whilst facing a 8 Gates user?

You have to spam Domu?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You have to spam Domu?

To stand motionless for 5 minutes in nothing but one jutsu seems like something you'd have to dedicate yourself to.

 

[Gabby-chan]

To stand motionless for 5 minutes in nothing but one jutsu seems like something you'd have to dedicate yourself to.

You have to stand still while using domu??? _@: I know nothing!

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You have to stand still while using domu??? _@: I know nothing!

Hey, Kakazu can chill and do some sunbathing if he likes, just better make sure he's got a comfy spot- because he ain't gonna be moving for the next 5-10 minutes.

 

[ToshiZO]

You have to stand still while using domu??? _@: I know nothing!

Not necessarily only the part that hardens. As long as his feet aren't hardened he can move.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Not necessarily only the part that hardens. As long as his feet aren't hardened he can move.

Never thought of it that way, he ever used it like that?

As awesome and deservedly strong as Kakazu is, can't help but think he's one of these characters that falls under 'broken moveset' territory due like Sasori, Danzo/Shisui and Kisame simply because Kishi never gave them the proper moveset limelight to properly break down / restrict their fighting styles. They may as well join the club with Hidan (albeit for different reasons)

 

[Zexion~]

Never thought of it that way, he ever used it like that?

As awesome and deservedly strong as Kakazu is, can't help but think he's one of these characters that falls under 'broken moveset' territory due like Sasori, Danzo/Shisui and Kisame simply because Kishi never gave them the proper moveset limelight to properly break down / restrict their fighting styles. They may as well join the club with Hidan (albeit for different reasons)

Debatable as I would assume his body would get quite heavy, he can move hardened parts of his body though, as he's demonstrated punching with Domu and even has movement (albeit very limited) when in full body domu.

Yeah Kakuzu could have been broken had he not been trolled every way possible, still a pretty dope villain though.

 

[ToshiZO]

Never thought of it that way, he ever used it like that?

As awesome and deservedly strong as Kakazu is, can't help but think he's one of these characters that falls under 'broken moveset' territory due like Sasori, Danzo/Shisui and Kisame simply because Kishi never gave them the proper moveset limelight to properly break down / restrict their fighting styles. They may as well join the club with Hidan (albeit for different reasons)

He's been able to move his arm despite his hand being hardened. [

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He's even used it in very specific parts like the side of his head while moving [

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]. The inability to move the hardened part isn't a big deal as he can still move connecting areas (for example

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for a punch, but able to move arm).

It's almost like armament hardening from One Piece.

 

[Gabby-chan]

Debatable as I would assume his body would get quite heavy, he can move hardened parts of his body though, as he's demonstrated punching with Domu and even has movement (albeit very limited) when in full body domu.

Yeah Kakuzu could have been broken had he not been trolled every way possible, still a pretty dope villain though.

Soo...is Kimimaro's KKG basically a more versatile version of Domu? Less durable too probably. Too bad he didn't live long enough to learn SM.

 

[Zexion~]

Soo...is Kimimaro's KKG basically a more versatile version of Domu? Less durable too probably. Too bad he didn't live long enough to learn SM.

Uh, it covers under the skin and he can move but its also weaker most likely.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

I'd argue that Domu could tank Hirudora. As the latter failed to eliminate Kisame. Then again it could also be argued that water pressure reduced the effects of Hirudora since it's nothing but brute force.

It was enough to bust V3 Susano'o, and don't give me the tired excuse that Madara purposely let them go and took down his own Susano'O

 

[ToshiZO]

It was enough to bust V3 Susano'o, and don't give me the tired excuse that Madara purposely let them go and took down his own Susano'O

Issue with that is, Kisame didn't even have a single open wound on him when he got hit and that's the only feat of it hitting flesh on panel.

No matter how much you want to argue he held back, how much would he be able to hold back to the point where it goes from busting V3 to not even able to tear Kisame's skin despite a clean hit? And it's not like visually the blast or even the attack looked much different either, so there isn't an argument there.

Then there is the fact that Madara got rid of Susanoo plenty of times in his fight with the Gokage, him not having Susanoo is not concrete proof.

The mokuten loosening could be explained by Madara feeling the impact from the sheer force of Hirudora inside of his susanoo. You don't have to break through someones exterior to rattle them or even make someone lose consciousness, if they are shaken up from the inside with a strong enough force, which Hirudora is. Madara could have been hit hard enough inside that he wasn't able to keep susanoo up.

For example if someone is very durable to cutting attacks and a sword cannot pierce them, if you hit hard enough despite not having any external damage to show for it, the force of the hit can rattle them on the inside.

At the end of the day its an assumption, it wouldn't be hard for Kishi to draw a broken Susanoo if that is what he intended.

On panel Hiruodora has never shown or implied to be a penetrative attack but rather focuses on internal damage, and this aligns perfectly with Gai's explanation of it simply being a punch which is a blast of pressurized air. [

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Don't see how Kakuzu does not survive Hirudora.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

This is just false. Firstly, air cannons as Madara described are more powerful in water than in air. Secondly, Gai aimed to get the scroll and not capture Gai.

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All it did was push him away to a distance he could no longer have control over his Mokuton. That's it. Not a single panel shows Susanoo being destroyed. Hirudora failed to kill Kisame because it's not as strong as you fallaciously think it is.

OT: Kakuzu is more durable than Kisame, who tanked Hirudora so he watches Gai exhaust himself in all scenario and then chops him to pieces.

When did Madara say that about air canons? plus Hiroudora is a punch not a air canon. Are you talking about Evening Elephant. Madara said that attack is bad news if it hits him directly, he never said anything about water.

The Hiroudora was very small/deflated when it hit Kisame. So you can't compare the two instances. Kisame himself said the jutsu was deflating.

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no Aoba wanted to get him for intel and Guy didn't even kill Kisame when he got him pinned down with the scroll in his hand.

Bro, Madara wasn't even pushed very far away lol. If he blown like miles away you may have had a point but nope. Hell, he has shown to activate mokuton over enermous areas like when he did the jukai kuton against base Naruto when they first encountered each other and the flower tree world against the gokage. Also since when did distance affect mokuton bindings that already exists.