Kakuzu > Trollkage

[Stark]

Kakuzu was trolled hard. He's way stronger than people give him credit for.

I agree with this

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Suits you. Your opinion sounds like "spam and hope for the best" which I doubt will work.

My opinion is based of feats.
Lightning>suijetsu, so lightning>trollkage
hands Iron skin>paper bomb, so whole body iron skin>joki boy
The area of wind/firs combo > the area of the clams mist

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Interesting...I never considered it.

Kakuzu's Earth Spear does in fact trump water style Jutsu.

Also, it gives him Diamond hard skin so that trumps explosives

Still, the Clam Mirage is a tough opponent. Considering his age, he would know of the Trollkage's genjutsu...as a Kage his power would be fairly rumored about even if he tried to be secretive.


So, as you said, the ability to use his large area effect strikes would help. Also, he can move his threads underground so he may find it that way. Now if the genjutu truly occurs from the steam produced by the clam...in theory wind should be able to blow it back or create a realm of unaffected air....though this is unlikely considering no one did it.

Good points!

Thanks man

 

[GwemBaba]

No.

-The clam continually produces mist until it is destroyed. Trying to get rid of it without getting rid of the clam won't work. Randomly attacking places is a bad tactic as the clam can move around from spot to spot and Kakuzu will be wasting chakra.

-Joki Boy is too large of an explosion for Kakuzu to simply tank not to mention it is extremely fast and Kakuzu has no way to stop it. Electrocuting him won't do much when it will just explode and reform.

-Kakuzu will never be able to find him before the Joki Boy+Mirage Genjutsu combo gets him killed.

Trollkage takes this low-mid diff. Kakuzu is a sitting duck who can't do anything about Joki Boy or the Mirage Genjutsu.

Really, Joki boy takes up a LOT of chakra, the only reason he could contain it was because of his Edo form.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Really, Joki boy takes up a LOT of chakra, the only reason he could contain it was because of his Edo form.

Don't listen to him man, he mad.

He ignored everything I said xD

Joki boy isn't a factor, because earth spear makes kakuzu immune to water.

 

[the dark king]

since the mizukage's hydrafication jutsu is more like oil and oil doesn't conduct electricity wont that make lightning style jutsu useless? joki boy would kill kakazu simply because he cant outlast the jutsu and his enourmous chara reserves would eventually be depleted. as for finding the clam i totally agree with you but because of joki boy and the fact that oil doesn't conduct electricity i really don't think that kakazu can beat him. even diomond has its limits and lightning style jutsu will not stop joki boy.

nice post though, and your right kakzu is heavily underrated and its the same with sasori as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't listen to him man, he mad.

He ignored everything I said xD

Joki boy isn't a factor, because earth spear makes kakuzu immune to water.

I countered everything in your OP.

@bold: Poor understand of manga much? Joki Boy isn't a Suiton type Explosion. Its simply an explosion so Kakuzu gets destroyed by Joki Boy.

Really, Joki boy takes up a LOT of chakra, the only reason he could contain it was because of his Edo form.

It takes chakra to FORM it, once its formed he is weakened but it doesn't take any more chakra from him. He can sit back weakened in safety Kakuzu can't stop the clam Genjutsu.

@bold: I can only hope that you're joking.

I never said he could clear the mist. If you go back and watch, his fire/wind combos covered more area than the Mizukages mist does, but bro GREAT POST.

I still think my original post is still right tho.

Doesn't matter. The mist is continuously being produced so Kakuzu can't find the Mizukage, thus he can't win.

@bold: Well its not.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

I countered everything in your OP.

@bold: Poor understand of manga much? Joki Boy isn't a Suiton type Explosion. Its simply an explosion so Kakuzu gets destroyed by Joki Boy.


It takes chakra to FORM it, once its formed he is weakened but it doesn't take any more chakra from him. He can sit back weakened in safety Kakuzu can't stop the clam Genjutsu.

@bold: I can only hope that you're joking.


Doesn't matter. The mist is continuously being produced so Kakuzu can't find the Mizukage, thus he can't win.

@bold: Well its not.

you still dont get it. And steam is a form of water so yes joki boys explosion is water. I thought you were smart? Also his wind/fire combo covers more area than the mirage has shown to cover. Regardless of the clam who still produces mist or not, it will be hit by this jutsu. Stop avoiding facts.

 

[KidGamer65]

you still dont get it. And steam is a form of water so yes joki boys explosion is water. I thought you were smart? Also his wind/fire combo covers more area than the mirage has shown to cover. Regardless of the clam who still produces mist or not, it will be hit by this jutsu. Stop avoiding facts.

Moron, steam may be apart of it but it is not an explosion of water like you oddly believe. Just because he has Domu doesn't mean he can tank Joki Boy unless you have the defensive feats that let him do so. Though I can't really say I'm surprised you would say something so dumb.

No it won't. If you think his Jutsu will cover the whole battlefield and hit the clam then you should probably go back and re-read those chapters before you start fanboying over Kakuzu. He can't find the clam thus he can't stop the Genjutsu, end of story.

 

[YellowFang]

First of all, never compare jutsu!!!

Because even though one having a single jutsu can beat hard a guy full of jutsu ...

2nd Mizukage is also trolled hard, if you think it likeways you do for Kakuzu...
Also, Kakuzu is all ninjutsu... which isn't that much impressive...... Anyone with stealth, intellect and speed can easily defeat him...

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Moron, steam may be apart of it but it is not an explosion of water like you oddly believe. Just because he has Domu doesn't mean he can tank Joki Boy unless you have the defensive feats that let him do so. Though I can't really say I'm surprised you would say something so dumb.

No it won't. If you think his Jutsu will cover the whole battlefield and hit the clam then you should probably go back and re-read those chapters before you start fanboying over Kakuzu. He can't find the clam thus he can't stop the Genjutsu, end of story.

Steam is what explodes out of joki boy, steam Is WATER, your so stupid..joki boy won't hurt kakuzu.
I also went through both of these guys to make this thread. I know that his jutsu covers more area than the clams mist. If you dont believe me then you can go back and look.

P.s. I'll sit here and argue with you all day if i have to. Mizukags isn't winning. Kakuzu is his worst matchup.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

First of all, never compare jutsu!!!

Because even though one having a single jutsu can beat hard a guy full of jutsu ...

2nd Mizukage is also trolled hard, if you think it likeways you do for Kakuzu...
Also, Kakuzu is all ninjutsu... which isn't that much impressive...... Anyone with stealth, intellect and speed can easily defeat him...

but, kakuzu is also very smart? He also has shown some pretty amazing speed. I know he relies alot on ninjutsj, but he has amazing taijutsu. It was better than kakashis

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Steam is what explodes out of joki boy, steam Is WATER, your so stupid..joki boy won't hurt kakuzu.
I also went through both of these guys to make this thread. I know that his jutsu covers more area than the clams mist. If you dont believe me then you can go back and look.

P.s. I'll sit here and argue with you all day if i have to. Mizukags isn't winning. Kakuzu is his worst matchup.

Edit: I worked hard on this, and looked at both of the characters alot! A compliment would've been nice, js. You dont always have to be a jerk.

 

[Micho22]

Kakuzu was owned by tenten he is fodder now

 

[KidGamer65]

Steam is what explodes out of joki boy, steam Is WATER, your so stupid..joki boy won't hurt kakuzu.
I also went through both of these guys to make this thread. I know that his jutsu covers more area than the clams mist. If you dont believe me then you can go back and look.

P.s. I'll sit here and argue with you all day if i have to. Mizukags isn't winning. Kakuzu is his worst matchup.

Why do I even bother trying to debate with a moron.

Just because Joki Boy has water properties doesn't mean that Kakuzu can tank it due to Domu. Earth is STRONG against Water it doesn't mean it can tank it with zero damage. That's like saying a weak fire attack will overpower a strong fire attack just because of the elemental advantage. Now, go get me some feats that say Kakuzu can tank Joki Boy.

So in other words you can't provide the evidence necessary? What a joke.
Anyway you clearly didn't read the manga correctly (Not surprised)

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Are you kidding me? That didn't even cover the whole battlefield they were fighting AND they were able to avoid it. The Clam can hide ANYWHERE in the arena so this attack isn't even going to touch it let alone destroy it.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Why do I even bother trying to debate with a moron.

Just because Joki Boy has water properties doesn't mean that Kakuzu can tank it due to Domu. Earth is STRONG against Water it doesn't mean it can tank it with zero damage. That's like saying a weak fire attack will overpower a strong fire attack just because of the elemental advantage. Now, go get me some feats that say Kakuzu can tank Joki Boy.

So in other words you can't provide the evidence necessary? What a joke.
Anyway you clearly didn't read the manga correctly (Not surprised)

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Are you kidding me? That didn't even cover the whole battlefield they were fighting AND they were able to avoid it. The Clam can hide ANYWHERE in the arena so this attack isn't even going to touch it let alone destroy it.

I work off my phone so no, no pictures. But it's fair to say his genjutsu didn't cover the whole battle field either? And youve ignored all the other facts I've thrown on there as well. He can use his ninjutsu more than once btw. And u have no proof that the clam still produces mist after being touched. Gaara sand touched the clam and it stopped. All kakuzu needs to do is graze it. He can also move his threads underground. Also, dont underestimate the number of threads he can use.

As for joki boy. Kakuzu tanked a normal explosion with his arm. Normal explosion>water explosion when going against earth. So earth spear> joki boy.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

since the mizukage's hydrafication jutsu is more like oil and oil doesn't conduct electricity wont that make lightning style jutsu useless? joki boy would kill kakazu simply because he cant outlast the jutsu and his enourmous chara reserves would eventually be depleted. as for finding the clam i totally agree with you but because of joki boy and the fact that oil doesn't conduct electricity i really don't think that kakazu can beat him. even diomond has its limits and lightning style jutsu will not stop joki boy.

nice post though, and your right kakzu is heavily underrated and its the same with sasori as well.

he's not all oil. Oil doesn't conduct. But the water does. If someone is being electrocuted and you poor oil on him, will it stop? No because the water in his body still conducts it.

That was probably a bad example but oh well.

 

[KidGamer65]

I work off my phone so no, no pictures. But it's fair to say his genjutsu didn't cover the whole battle field either? And ignore all the other facts I've thrown on there as well. He can use his ninjutsu more than once btw. And u have no proof that the clam still produces mist after being touched. Gaara sand touched the clam and it stopped. All kakuzu needs to do is graze it. He can also move his threads underground. Also, dont underestimate the number of threads he can use.

Mist spreads around it doesn't stay in one spot. The clam also moves around the battlefield spreading the mist around some more. It will cover most of the battlefield and the only to stop it is to destroy it.

Ignore what "facts"? Nothing in your OP is a fact.

@bold; Not gonna help when the Mirage Genjutsu messes up his vision causing him to see mirages of the Mizukage and when the clam is invisible. He isn't going to know where to aim so this strategy isn't working either. Don't even come here saying he will aim randomly because that strategy is extremely and not gonna work when the clam moves around. Not to mention Joki Boy will be after him.

As for joki boy. Kakuzu tanked a normal explosion with his arm. Normal explosion>water explosion when going against earth. So earth spear> joki boy.

You can't be serious. The PAPER BOMB Kakuzu tanked with Domu is FAR weaker than Joki Boy. That fact alone makes your whole flawed analysis wrong. There are no feats that let him continuously tank Joki Boy's explosion over and over again w/ no damage. Your claim of Domu weakening it enough to be weaker than a paper bomb is completely baseless.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Mist spreads around it doesn't stay in one spot. The clam also moves around the battlefield spreading the mist around some more. It will cover most of the battlefield and the only to stop it is to destroy it.

Ignore what "facts"? Nothing in your OP is a fact.

@bold; Not gonna help when the Mirage Genjutsu messes up his vision causing him to see mirages of the Mizukage and when the clam is invisible. He isn't going to know where to aim so this strategy isn't working either. Don't even come here saying he will aim randomly because that strategy is extremely and not gonna work when the clam moves around. Not to mention Joki Boy will be after him.



You can't be serious. The PAPER BOMB Kakuzu tanked with Domu is FAR weaker than Joki Boy. That fact alone makes your whole flawed analysis wrong. There are no feats that let him continuously tank Joki Boy's explosion over and over again w/ no damage. Your claim of Domu weakening it enough to be weaker than a paper bomb is completely baseless.

Ok, I dont think you saw the number of threads he was using. He can send them out literally everywhere. The clam is huge btw. Even if it can move. If he tries moving and bumps into a thread its done for. It cant escape the vast number of threads. He doesn't need to see, and as I've said before wind/fire>mist.

And your right, joki boy>paper bomb
But earth makes water weak. And kakuzu only did his earth spear on his arm. So he can tank joki boy. You say im not giving facts but your not either. plus, with all of kakuzus threads he won't be effected by the explosion unless the explosion hits his heart. Which it won't with his earth spear. The explosion isn't getting through iron and threads. So kakuzu will be unaffected.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok, I dont think you saw the number of threads he was using. He can send them out literally everywhere. The clam is huge btw. Even if it can move. If he tries moving and bumps into a thread its done for. It cant escape the vast number of threads. He doesn't need to see, and as I've said before wind/fire>mist.

You really can't be serious right now.. Kakuzu can't send his clams everywhere. He doesn't have that many threads to cover a whole battlefield. Due to the Mirage he will be seeing a fake clam and a fake Mizukage.
@bold: The Genjutsu stops only when the clam has been destroyed.

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@bold; And as I've said before. Trying to dispel the mist w/o destroying the clam is not going to work.

And your right, joki boy>paper bomb
But earth makes water weak. And kakuzu only did his earth spear on his arm. So he can tank joki boy. You say im not giving facts but your not either. plus, with all of kakuzus threads he won't be effected by the explosion unless the explosion hits his heart. Which it won't with his earth spear. The explosion isn't getting through iron and threads. So kakuzu will be unaffected.

Earth makes Water weaker not weak completely different terms, not to mention it all depends on Domu's defensive capabilities. Whether he did it on is arm or his whole body doesn't matter as it doesn't increase the defensive power. It only spreads the defense around his whole body. His threads don't even have durability feats that let anyone say it is a good defense let alone a defense capable of tanking Joki Boy.

@bold: You've failed to provide any kind of proof that he can tank it with no damage at all. You've failed to provide any kind of evidence that the threads and Domu will let him tank

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with NO damage at all. You are the one who is supposed to be backing up this claim. I can't counter something that you can't even support.

Continuous explosions that Kakuzu can't evade or stop eventually kill him.