Kakuzu & Hidan VS 4 Tailed Naruto

[Zexion~]

It does correlate. You are just too delusional when it comes to these two to see it. You think Hidan w/ Kakuzu as support can take out a Bijuu thus any shrouded Jinchuuriki is fair game even though the only reason they can take on a Bijuu is because of their skillset which does not help them against a shrouded Jinchuuriki due to the fact that Hidan is unable to pierce them.

Stop bitching about portrayal when you don't want to use it when your favorite characters are hurt by it. Stop crying about portrayal when match ups are a thing, supported by the Manga. That's why someone on or above Gai's level gets murked by Kisame while Gai can murk Kisame with ease. If B had used Version 2 against Taka instead of going Full Bijuu mode he would've had far less trouble as their attacks can't hurt him in that mode while going full Bijuu gives him more firepower and overall durability, but leaves him open for Amaterasu, which doesn't work on shrouds as shown by Naruto vs. Sasuke.

By your logic, if none of these fights had been shown on panel, you'd be saying:

-Sasuke and Taka pushed a Bijuu Mode Killer B thus he'd demolish Version 2.
-Gai defeated Kisame thus anyone on Gai's level would defeat Kisame as well despite Gai having a distinct advantage.
-Orochimaru got pushed harder than KN4 than Hidan w/ little to no support from Kakuzu did against Yugito. Orochimaru is portrayed to be on a completely different level to Hidan even without his arms. :lol

And I could go on. Also while I'm at it stop saying "Oh but I never said they'd win" when you are arguing they'd win based on portrayal. :lol

Like I said, if you have nothing that wasn't already addressed you can stop posting now because I'm 99% sure you'll "read" this and then reply with something that makes no sense.

Jesus christ you get triggered sometimes.

-Bee example is wrong because he was simply a bigger target for Amertarasu, although V2 without knowledge still probably shares the same fate
-Gai and Kisame is the prime example of a advantageous matchup so why you're bringing it up here when I'm arguing that why the KN4 would be stronger (defense wise) than the main body of a Bijuu (not its tails) doesn't make sense.
-Sick dying Oro who was never shown his full potential anyways....and not really all the Akatsuki were portrayed as S-class shinobi as were the Sannin. They got hype because they participated in war lol and was only given that title after losing to someone who was solo'd by deva.

But again bold above is all I really had to say here lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Jesus christ you get triggered sometimes.

-Bee example is wrong because he was simply a bigger target for Amertarasu, although V2 without knowledge still probably shares the same fate
-Gai and Kisame is the prime example of a advantageous matchup so why you're bringing it up here when I'm arguing that why the KN4 would be stronger (defense wise) than the main body of a Bijuu (not its tails) doesn't make sense.
-Sick dying Oro who was never shown his full potential anyways....and not really all the Akatsuki were portrayed as S-class shinobi as were the Sannin. They got hype because they participated in war lol and was only given that title after losing to someone who was solo'd by deva.

But again bold above is all I really had to say here lol

-No, it's not wrong because Amaterasu does not work on shrouds as shown in canon.

-Gai and Kisame is a direct correlation to this match up. If you want to start actually arguing defense then obviously a Bijuu is more durable, but they can be pierced by things that can't pierce V2. Kusanagi did nothing to KN4. Raikiri did nothing to the V2 Jins. Raikiri and Kusanagi would hurt Hachibi with a direct hit. Shuriken severed it's tails. Again, this is something that I addressed.

-That's not the point nor is any of that relevant. Orochimaru even after losing his arms is porrtrayed to be a bigger threat than Hidan w/ minimal support from Kakuzu (fact), yet he had a harder time with KN4 than Hidan did with Yugito. (fact)

 

[Zexion~]

-No, it's not wrong because Amaterasu does not work on shrouds as shown in canon.

When was this?

-Gai and Kisame is a direct correlation to this match up. If you want to start actually arguing defense then obviously a Bijuu is more durable, but they can be pierced by things that can't pierce V2. Kusanagi did nothing to KN4. Raikiri did nothing to the V2 Jins. Raikiri and Kusanagi would hurt Hachibi with a direct hit. Shuriken severed it's tails. Again, this is something that I addressed.

Well then there ya go, although the tails are probably the least durable part of the Bijuu (also applies to the shroud as seen when Raikiri slices the tails).

-That's not the point nor is any of that relevant. Orochimaru even after losing his arms is porrtrayed to be a bigger threat than Hidan w/ minimal support from Kakuzu (fact), yet he had a harder time with KN4 than Hidan did with Yugito. (fact)

While that is true was he really though : (

I mean Sasuke and Itachi both literally took him down with a straight face and less than half their attention. Hidan was scaring Jounins, Jins and Monks.

Character portrayal maybe Oro was ahead but honestly with Kishi portrayed Oro to basically just be a nuisance halfway through shippuden.

 

[KidGamer65]

When was this?

Well then there ya go, although the tails are probably the least durable part of the Bijuu (also applies to the shroud as seen when Raikiri slices the tails).



While that is true was he really though : (

I mean Sasuke and Itachi both literally took him down with a straight face and less than half their attention. Hidan was scaring Jounins, Jins and Monks.

Character portrayal maybe Oro was ahead but honestly with Kishi portrayed Oro to basically just be a nuisance halfway through shippuden.[/QUOTE]

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Yup, they are.

Yes he was and it's not even close. Sasuke and Itachi are both people far above Hidan's level and Sasuke admitted that he won because Orochimaru was weakened. Itachi is the only one out of him and Hebi Sasuke who has been portrayed to be Orochimaru's superior by far. Hidan was scaring fodder Jonin, monks who are just as bad if not worse or maybe just a little better, and a Jinchuuriki who doesn't have complete control over their Bijuu.

And what Jinchuuriki was scared of Hidan? The only one he encountered was Yugito, and she was ready to fight, not scared.

 

[Zexion~]

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Yup, they are.

Yes he was and it's not even close. Sasuke and Itachi are both people far above Hidan's level and Sasuke admitted that he won because Orochimaru was weakened. Itachi is the only one out of him and Hebi Sasuke who has been portrayed to be Orochimaru's superior by far. Hidan was scaring fodder Jonin, monks who are just as bad if not worse or maybe just a little better, and a Jinchuuriki who doesn't have complete control over their Bijuu.

And what Jinchuuriki was scared of Hidan? The only one he encountered was Yugito, and she was ready to fight, not scared.

Isn't that just Naruto deactivating the shroud? I mean where did the flames go exactly....you know I didn't read the fight so I haven't seen that.

Yugito turned completely into the Bijuu to fight them, and Hidan was less flustered by it than Kakuzu was, he casually beat it somehow

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Kakashi also noted his strength and he's no fodder jounin, and Asuma was scared as well. But yeah we all know Oro is above Hidan lol however I truly believe Kishi was going to give Hidan more than what he did all these off panel fights were meant to build suspense for more than just his immortality.

 

[KidGamer65]

Isn't that just Naruto deactivating the shroud? I mean where did the flames go exactly....you know I didn't read the fight so I haven't seen that.

Yugito turned completely into the Bijuu to fight them, and Hidan was less flustered by it than Kakuzu was, he casually beat it somehow

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Kakashi also noted his strength and he's no fodder jounin, and Asuma was scared as well. But yeah we all know Oro is above Hidan lol however I truly believe Kishi was going to give Hidan more than what he did all these off panel fights were meant to build suspense for more than just his immortality.

Naruto blocked it and threw it off. You can see him throwing it off in the second panel.

Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan were flustered by Yugito's transformation.

Kakashi noted his strength, but he wasn't scared. Was Asuma scared? I feel like you are misinterpreting caution with actual fear. And I'm pretty sure all Kishimoto had in store for him were those tricks and functions his scythe was supposed to have before they made him rush the arc.

 

[Booker]

Who knows, but Kakuzu showed no loss of hearts, nor did he show any damage or injury nor did Hidan seem all that hurt

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. Even during the confrontation they were never worried so saying "they beat it without being bothered" is a pretty logical conclusion here.

If you can't describe what happened, it's not applicable. It's an inconsistency in Kishi's writing. If it is consistent in your view, then you must also admit that by portrayl 4T Naruto would obliterate them since a lesser version did so.

 

[Zexion~]

Naruto blocked it and threw it off. You can see him throwing it off in the second panel.

Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan were flustered by Yugito's transformation.

Kakashi noted his strength, but he wasn't scared. Was Asuma scared? I feel like you are misinterpreting caution with actual fear. And I'm pretty sure all Kishimoto had in store for him were those tricks and functions his scythe was supposed to have before they made him rush the arc.

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Asuma was shoooooooooooook

That is some stupid shit but very well lol.

The tricks could have easily had something to do with his curse jutsu or what have you, I highly doubt the arc was too rushed for Kishi to put in some lame puppet master tricks lol. He probably also was going to give him some added insight into his immortality to explain its weird durability/healing.

 

[Zexion~]

If you can't describe what happened, it's not applicable. It's an inconsistency in Kishi's writing. If it is consistent in your view, then you must also admit that by portrayl 4T Naruto would obliterate them since a lesser version did so.

Whut, I said it was dumb and argued that if they pierced a Bijuu they could pierce a lesser shroud. But I believe KG when he says they that despite having overall better durability they're easier to pierce.

 

[Nattana]

Isn't that just Naruto deactivating the shroud? I mean where did the flames go exactly....you know I didn't read the fight so I haven't seen that.

Yugito turned completely into the Bijuu to fight them, and Hidan was less flustered by it than Kakuzu was, he casually beat it somehow

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Kakashi also noted his strength and he's no fodder jounin, and Asuma was scared as well. But yeah we all know Oro is above Hidan lol however I truly believe Kishi was going to give Hidan more than what he did all these off panel fights were meant to build suspense for more than just his immortality.

Naruto blocked it and threw it off. You can see him throwing it off in the second panel.

Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan were flustered by Yugito's transformation.

Kakashi noted his strength, but he wasn't scared. Was Asuma scared? I feel like you are misinterpreting caution with actual fear. And I'm pretty sure all Kishimoto had in store for him were those tricks and functions his scythe was supposed to have before they made him rush the arc.

Kishi stated in an interview that he wanted to develop Hidan's scythe more, but his superiors pressured him and he didn't have enough panel time for that.

 

[Icelerate]

Kishi stated in an interview that he wanted to develop Hidan's scythe more, but his superiors pressured him and he didn't have enough panel time for that.

Is it these superiors that have made the manga worse?

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Is it these superiors that have made the manga worse?

In simplest terms, manga and anime are both rife with the type of fan service that appeals to the greatest majority, which is what drives big companies like ShounenJump to release stupid shit that the average person will eat up for no readily apparent reason.

 

[Icelerate]

In simplest terms, manga and anime are both rife with the type of fan service that appeals to the greatest majority, which is what drives big companies like ShounenJump to release stupid shit that the average person will eat up for no readily apparent reason.

That's what Sawyer is saying here (

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). "If you support garbage, you get garbage in return."

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Is it safe to have a civilize discussion yet? Because it seems most peoples issue with this duo is not having anything that can damage or breach the cloak to determine the match. I gave an exception already:

V2 is also entirely vulnerable against Hidan's jutsu as its

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And we seen ineffective attack capable of shedding the chakra off, so not damaging the cloak/user is irrelevant.

So can one explain to me why this is invalid? If not I'll just move on, no big deal

 

[TRE MERCER]

Is it safe to have a civilize discussion yet? Because it seems most peoples issue with this duo is not having anything that can damage or breach the cloak to determine the match. I gave an exception already:





So can one explain to me why this is invalid? If not I'll just move on, no big deal

Its invalid for the following reasons. 4tailed Naruto would never give Hidan the time of day to do his shitty ritual.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Its invalid for the following reasons. 4tailed Naruto would never give Hidan the time of day to do his shitty ritual.

Everyone argument is that they lose because they can't hurt him so your back tracking the reason behind it.

You also act like 4T is even intellectual do constantly stop Hidan form forming the ritual, when the only thing that keep Hidan from moving is chakra arms. The killing machine is going to use more then 1 move to kill his opponent so once he switches it up, opens for Hidan to make the seal. 4T doesnt have any other jutsu, bar chakra arms, that has the execution to stop Hidan forming the seal.

Then you have Kakuzu who can constantly push him back.

 

[Azazel]

Kakazu and hidan obviously z.z

 

[Apêx1]

4T Naruto manhandling Orochimaru and blowing shockwaves so large the entire area was destroyed is more than anything Matabi (if that was it's name?) could do without a TBB so I don't see how anyone can justify the duo winning for the sole reason of beating Matabi. When it comes to the Kyuubi there's really no comparison to be made with other Biju regardless of form.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

4T Naruto manhandling Orochimaru and blowing shockwaves so large the entire area was destroyed is more than anything Matabi (if that was it's name?) could do without a TBB so I don't see how anyone can justify the duo winning for the sole reason of beating Matabi. When it comes to the Kyuubi there's really no comparison to be made with other Biju regardless of form.

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Orochimaru wasnt getting manhandle, though he was struggling with 4T DC and defense. Why would he love to continue the fight, if he really was getting manhandle?

That was 4T power up that made that made that crater, not the shockwave, though really dont matter (as neither hurt Orochimaru) . But even then why can't it be compare to Matabi's Katon that took out the entire building it was in (huge location where it can whole a FULL Buijuu and alot of free roam too)?

 

[Zexion~]

Is it safe to have a civilize discussion yet? Because it seems most peoples issue with this duo is not having anything that can damage or breach the cloak to determine the match. I gave an exception already:





So can one explain to me why this is invalid? If not I'll just move on, no big deal

Its invalid because the blood is on the inside of the shroud that he can not pierce in the first place, not like everything the shroud touches is left with the jins blood dripping on it.