Kakuza>Minato

[Murasame]

Yeah and you're forgetting he still has his flying mask attacking him, while the body analyzes his moves. It's almost similar to pain's paths minus the shared vision.

He can summon the three Toads plus gamakichi if he felt pressured.

 

[Voidstep]

He can summon the three Toads plus gamakichi if he felt pressured.

or he could summon Naruto instead :snick:

 

[SubtleMind]

He can summon the three Toads plus gamakichi if he felt pressured.

good one, but I already covered this

 

[Bogard]

Yes I get that. But how does he so casually mark him when he needs to get close to him. That's a task all in it's own. You are underestimating Kakuzu here. Remember it Kakashi, team 10, naruto and yamato to be him. with know prior knowledge Minato will definitely have his hands full.

You're the one underestimating Minato here, most essentially his shunshin speed. He possess one of the greatest shunshin in the entire manga. Closing distances to put marking on Kakuzu isn't a big deal for him

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I will say this though that's the best counter I've heard all day (and I've been here for a while). You really are a Minato expert as someone put it. I'll reconsider my position a little. But I still think he matches up well with him.

Thanks =D

 

[SubtleMind]

or he could summon Naruto instead :snick:

then it would be Minato and Naruto vs Kakuzu and that's simply not apart of this scenario. But if you want me to say it I will. That would be overkill.

 

[Zexion~]

- Kakuzu is a mid-long range fighter. His attacks are never going to land on Minato. His tentacles are even made for capture. Capturing Minato is impossible

- Minato is faster than him. Whether Kakuzu decides to fight with his masks inside him or not, all Minato has to do is to mark the original body and strike him down

- Kakuzu's gian could be redirected by Minato's S/T barrier to make Kakuzu's doton domu ineffective. Judging by the piercing power of said "Gian"(and the hype given by the databook), it should even pierce through kakuzu completely and thus killing him. Although with other hearts, he should revive himself(if they are inside him, that's it), but he would lose the doton mask

- It also seems that people think the doton domu is Kakuzu's natural skin. No, it's a earth jutsu that Kakuzu needs to activate(it necessite one handseal). Minato's FTG teleportation speed is too fast that Kakuzu won't even have time to activate doton domu in time, so Minato could casually kill him even if he had the doton mask still active because of the impossibility to react in time.

- This is just a bonus, but i'd like to point out that when Kakuzu uses the doton domu, his body is uncapable to move until he deactivate the body, he basically becomes like a statue. He has only shown to be capable to move when he uses the partial version of it(on his arms for example)

First off Kakuzu's threads are obviously not for capture? have no clue where you got that from my man

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They can pierce just as well,
Second wrong again not only does Minato have to mark the original body (which is hard enough on its own) and stike it down but he has to do it 5 times.. do i really need to get the scan? he can be revived easily due to his hearts activness even after he dies.. And without intel this would be a very hard thing for Minato to stop

And your S/t barrier theory does not work either .. First off Kakuzu Knows his Domu's weakness .. So i dont see why he would bother activating it with his raiton bouncing back at him, no he would most likely avoid it .. and if at a decent distance he could do rather easily, even if he could not dodge it unless the raiton bounces back to hit him directly in the heart (which is unlikely).. he is not losing any hearts, This is something commonly overlooked

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as you can see his body structure is clearly abnormal, and his threads basically nullify any physical attack thats not based at his heart, And the chance that it would bounce directly back at the heart is slim .. And the chance of hit hitting a mask is even slighter as the earth mask is in the same place as the heart and the others would of already been deployed if he had fired False Darkness.

..Except one Kakuzu has shown to activate it even without a hand seal

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And again Kakuzu's complex body structure saves him unless minato decides to go for the heart in which im sure he could activate domu in time .. Although i doubt he would ever place a seal Kakuzu as he is a long - mid range fighter

Again .. he can use the partial version of it to protect the part of the body Minato is going to attack .. Especially if its simply a normal rasengan ... he only needs to go full domu for attacks like food cart destroyer and giant rasengan

 

[SubtleMind]

First off Kakuzu's threads are obviously not for capture? have no clue where you got that from my man

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They can pierce just as well,
Second wrong again not only does Minato have to mark the original body (which is hard enough on its own) and stike it down but he has to do it 5 times.. do i really need to get the scan? he can be revived easily due to his hearts activness even after he dies.. And without intel this would be a very hard thing for Minato to stop

And your S/t barrier theory does not work either .. First off Kakuzu Knows his Domu's weakness .. So i dont see why he would bother activating it with his raiton bouncing back at him, no he would most likely avoid it .. and if at a decent distance he could do rather easily, even if he could not dodge it unless the raiton bounces back to hit him directly in the heart (which is unlikely).. he is not losing any hearts, This is something commonly overlooked

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as you can see his body structure is clearly abnormal, and his threads basically nullify any physical attack thats not based at his heart, And the chance that it would bounce directly back at the heart is slim .. And the chance of hit hitting a mask is even slighter as the earth mask is in the same place as the heart and the others would of already been deployed if he had fired False Darkness.

..Except one Kakuzu has shown to activate it even without a hand seal

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And again Kakuzu's complex body structure saves him unless minato decides to go for the heart in which im sure he could activate domu in time .. Although i doubt he would ever place a seal Kakuzu as he is a long - mid range fighter

Again .. he can use the partial version of it to protect the part of the body Minato is going to attack .. Especially if its simply a normal rasengan ... he only needs to go full domu for attacks like food cart destroyer and giant rasengan

Those are some good points. Perhaps I should have used scans in the op.

 

[Zexion~]

Those are some good points. Perhaps I should have used scans in the op.

thanks my man

 

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We've seen what happens to Kakuzu when he focuses on he's targets, he completely neglect everything and aims for the target, because of this he is very susceptible to clone feints. Minato has various different ways he can tag Kakuzu, as he can teleport Kakuzu to any of his marked kunai to put him at a disadvantage position and tag or he can used clone to surprise him and tag him just like Kakashi did.

However, none of that's actually necessary, as Kakuzu who starts of as a close range fighter is accustomed to tanking physical damage with his Doton as he used it to block Chouji's chunin level attack, because of this he doesn't relay on evading attacks and his speed, reaction time, and reflexes suffer greatly because of it, giving him a huge disadvantage against Minato. Sasuke's speed was hailed "God like" that almost blitz Deidara, Minato's Shunshin speed far exceeds Sasuke. With Kakuzu way of fighting and his inability to improvise and devise a counter strategy once his plan starts falling apart puts him in a more disadvantageous position in comparison to Minato's brilliance. Who only needs to make contact once, at the point the fight his over as all his other abilities and form take time to form, leaving him in a vulnerable state.

We've seen how fast Minato's FTG attacks are; Madara who blocked Amaterasu arrow by using rods via outer path could do nothing to save Obito from Minato's attack. The same arrow that was so fast that, Kakashi who has a 5 in hand seal said he can't form any hand seals to protect himself, so the notion that Kakuzu can activate his Doton (that Kakashi could read) to protect himself after he gets tagged is laughable.

 

[BasedRikudo]

This all comes down to kakazu can't touch minato not even once and you can't win a fight without landing a single blow

 

[Zetsueno]

To begin with, its next to impossible to give an accurate battle scenario since the variables are too much. Especially when involving two characters that had very little screen time.

While I agree with your arguments to some extend or atleast accept that you were being rational with all your statements, I'm not ready to connive the fact that you're are clearly forgetting or deliberately disregarding many aspects of FTG and Minato's abilities that were only showcased in the manga recently.

Minato can use Kage Bunshin in conjunction with FTG. Now, assuming that his clone can teleport to an FTG mark and wields an FTG kunai, its simple logic that another clone or original body can teleport to the initial clone. This means, marking or destroying Kakuzu's heart isn't much of a deal as Minato can simply send a clone to take on Kakuzu in close combat. (remember, the clone can us FTG and has Minato's own reflexes/base speed, so there's no possibility of it getting hit)In a close combat situation where Minato's clone engages Kakuzu, the original or another clone can teleport directly behind Kakuzu due to the FTG radius (as demonstrated in Obito's case) and smash a rasengan through his heart, as he may resort to using a partial domu for the initial clone or mark him. If he uses full domu, well, he can't move, he gets the curse mark of death on him.

We have seen edo madara who wields all the strongest dojutsus in NV unable to react to FTG. i.e any argument you can even think of presenting about Kakuzu being able to react and use partial domu is hereby disputed.

Now, assuming that his other CAN use domu, as someone suggested before, this scenario simply repeats itself. Reacting to FTG speed is impossible, even for sharingan users. Also, Minato can't be hit any of his attacks, he's just that fast and good with FTG.

Then again, Minato was able to casually react to A's punch as if it was a sloth and was able to mark B's tentacle. This only points to the fact than he'll be able to move out of Kakuzu's tentacles way without resorting to FTG and mark them as he did B's. So, thats even more of an advantage to Minato.

Furthermore, the elemental attacks from other masks be simply redirected by Minato using S/T barrier, since many were able to recognize it as Minato's technique meaning it was constantly used by Minato and its not like he was dealing with Kyuubi's TBBs on a daily basis.

All this is ofcourse not taking into consideration his unknown elemental affinity, other original jutsus (as suggested by data book) and mastery of seals.

Edit: By being able to mark Kakuzu's tentacles, Minato can now make almost any of Kakuzu's attacks to rebound.

 

[Naijakid]

Pls stop.... Just stop

 

[Zetsueno]

Pls stop.... Just stop

Oh please, we're having a good debate here, although I jus joined, and I'm gonna savor it if anyone's ready to take this further.

Really, I don't see the prob with a good debate.