Kakazu and gaara vs sasori and deidara

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

whichever team has sasori wins ^^

sasori>gaara, kakuzu, deidara (not together)

Sasori against gaara is a terrible match up

Gaara> sasori read entire thread somewhere I mention how this happens
But if i didn't
Gaara clogs sasori puppets with sand making them useless
Gaara has more sand then 3rd kazekage puppet iron sand and can make more
Gold> iron
But gaara was able to stop the gold dust and even infuse it with his own sand witch I can c him doing with iron sand
Sasori poisen can't reach gaara

Gaara can fly higher and faster then sasori
Gaara sand overall is way faster then sasori
An sasori has nothin to penetrate gaara defense

 

[Delta]

Because I'm waiting for you to show me some proof of how sand can beat iron it would cut through it like butter

And where does it state that iron sand had a limit? He could make it from his body and it is unclear about how much he can make so your Gaara has more sand isn't a valid argument

Now as for Gaara protecting kakuzu this is akatsuki so please tell me where they'd actually fight as a pair

Tactics state that taking the opponent your mot likely to defeat away from his friend increases your chance of winning and sasori is cunning so do you recalling think he'd fight 2v2? No he wouldn't he'd split them up taking Gaara because he has a higher chance of defeating him then he does kakuzu

Now we've seen gaaras ultimate defence is a big ball where can control sand from inside making him safe... Wrong sasori has shown he can unrelentingly strong fire from the palms of his hands and focusing on the ball with fire he would essentially cook Gaara alive inside that thing so his ultimate defensive turns to an oven and Gaara dies unless he drops it

Now I saw a post earlier about sasori having to fly to avoid sand tsunami sasori has shown this ability and he can easily keep it up because he is of no need for stamina and being a puppet master he could easily control himself and the second kazekage puppet while assaulting Gaara

Conclusion to that's sasori is to smart has the right tools and know how to defeatgaara with easy-I'd difficultly

Now to kakuzu vs deidara this is a much harder match up mainly because of the lightening heart but that is easily overcome

We've already seen that deidara can create a clone of himself causing an explosion big enough for Kakashi to have to kamui it away meaning it is a great distraction these masks aren't difficult to kill they seem quite fragile considering I believe c2 or higher>more destructive force then chidori but that can be argued

I believe this matchup would more be a surviving until sasori came back sort of fight which wouldn't take long I believe sasori could wipe Gaara quite easily

Is that a good enough argument for you

 

[Prime Rib]

kakazu solo

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Because I'm waiting for you to show me some proof of how sand can beat iron it would cut through it like butter

And where does it state that iron sand had a limit? He could make it from his body and it is unclear about how much he can make so your Gaara has more sand isn't a valid argument

Now as for Gaara protecting kakuzu this is akatsuki so please tell me where they'd actually fight as a pair

Tactics state that taking the opponent your mot likely to defeat away from his friend increases your chance of winning and sasori is cunning so do you recalling think he'd fight 2v2? No he wouldn't he'd split them up taking Gaara because he has a higher chance of defeating him then he does kakuzu

Now we've seen gaaras ultimate defence is a big ball where can control sand from inside making him safe... Wrong sasori has shown he can unrelentingly strong fire from the palms of his hands and focusing on the ball with fire he would essentially cook Gaara alive inside that thing so his ultimate defensive turns to an oven and Gaara dies unless he drops it

Now I saw a post earlier about sasori having to fly to avoid sand tsunami sasori has shown this ability and he can easily keep it up because he is of no need for stamina and being a puppet master he could easily control himself and the second kazekage puppet while assaulting Gaara

Conclusion to that's sasori is to smart has the right tools and know how to defeatgaara with easy-I'd difficultly

Now to kakuzu vs deidara this is a much harder match up mainly because of the lightening heart but that is easily overcome

We've already seen that deidara can create a clone of himself causing an explosion big enough for Kakashi to have to kamui it away meaning it is a great distraction these masks aren't difficult to kill they seem quite fragile considering I believe c2 or higher>more destructive force then chidori but that can be argued

I believe this matchup would more be a surviving until sasori came back sort of fight which wouldn't take long I believe sasori could wipe Gaara quite easily


"And where does it state that iron sand had a limit? He could make it from his body and it is unclear about how much he can make so your Gaara has more sand isn't a valid argument"
Does it say it doesn't ur point is invalid simply because he could make it from his body tht isn't him anymore he is a puppet there for no tht would work

"Now as for Gaara protecting kakuzu this is akatsuki so please tell me where they'd actually fight as a pair" -_______- everybody creates threads on teaming ppl up why wouldn't they fight as a pair neither one can solo tht team by themselves -_- who cares if its Akasuki or Kage there teamates in this match.

"Because I'm waiting for you to show me some proof of how sand can beat iron it would cut through it like butter "
-___- iron sand hasn't shown any piercing attacks so for cutting through it like butter I dnt understand where thts coming from anyways
getting through gaara defense (and it senses) witch I think is hightly unlikely the thing tanked C3, deidara reg bombs,A lariot drop,joki boy, Amatratsu/enton,metor(with the help of onooki rock golem), kimmimaru strongest bone, and 5 Susanno swords with only half of his defense (the other half was protecting Mei) it was still protecting him without him even looking

"Tactics state that taking the opponent your mot likely to defeat away from his friend increases your chance of winning and sasori is cunning so do you recalling think he'd fight 2v2? No he wouldn't he'd split them up taking Gaara because he has a higher chance of defeating him then he does kakuzu"
Neither kakazu or gaara would fall for tht their not hidan -_- ad sasori has more a chance against kakazu then gaara -[- because
Gaara clogs sasori puppets with sand making them useless
Gaara has more sand then 3rd kazekage puppet iron sand and can make more
Gold> iron
But gaara was able to stop the gold dust and even infuse it with his own sand witch I can c him doing with iron sand
Sasori poisen can't reach gaara

Gaara can fly higher and faster then sasori
Gaara sand overall is way faster then sasori
An sasori has nothin to penetrate gaara defense

"Now we've seen gaaras ultimate defence is a big ball where can control sand from inside making him safe... Wrong sasori has shown he can unrelentingly strong fire from the palms of his hands and focusing on the ball with fire he would essentially cook Gaara alive inside that thing so his ultimate defensive turns to an oven and Gaara dies unless he drops it" gaara's sand takes te form of his mother ultimate defense -_- not a big ball I think ur thinking about beginning shippuden gaara not not war arc gaara -_-
Also u said sasori can burn though it smh -____- when amatrasu/enton the hottest fire in the manga cannot smh again -_-

"Now I saw a post earlier about sasori having to fly to avoid sand tsunami sasori has shown this ability and he can easily keep it up because he is of no need for stamina and being a puppet master he could easily control himself and the second kazekage puppet while assaulting Gaara " how high u think he can fly 0.0 also gaara can attack with the tsunami while its coming at u shown against kimmimaru... Also no where does it say he has infinite stamina cuz he's not human ... Js if he can make chakra flow through him I'm sure he can get tired as well and run out of chakra but both him and gaara have a 5/5 in stamina so their equal in terms of it..

 

[Delta]

Umm try again that's a jumbled mess of a post

 

[AP2k]

C4 cannot get through gaara sand if manda skin tanked deidara strongest bomb then no way in hell gaara would get hurt by tht -_-

Deidara isn't > gaara never was he just used village to win his victory witch is stupid but w.e win is a win clearly now gaara>> deidara
And I wouldn't put kakazu under sasori care to explain tht the only way I can c tht happening is through losen cuz kakazu can tank everything sasori can throw cuz of his skin and not to mention gaara would protect his partner

That whole bull shit of "gaara defending the village" is a load of shit. Yeah, he was defending the village, HE WAS ALSO IN THE MOTHER****ING DESERT! Ya know, with infinite sand and all? Take gaara out of the desert and it changes nothing. C4 can easily get into gaara sand shield. The bombs are microscopic and there is obviously room to get in seeing as how gaara can, you know, get oxygen and stuff

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

That whole bull shit of "gaara defending the village" is a load of shit. Yeah, he was defending the village, HE WAS ALSO IN THE MOTHER****ING DESERT! Ya know, with infinite sand and all? Take gaara out of the desert and it changes nothing. C4 can easily get into gaara sand shield. The bombs are microscopic and there is obviously room to get in seeing as how gaara can, you know, get oxygen and stuff

Gaara has made air tight balls of sand around himself no pun intended also his sand would sense the nano bombs and how deidara did it sasuke was because they got in close range he wouldn't b able to do it how he did with sasuke cuz he knows how he fights going against gaara close range is suicide -_- thts why he faught gaara the way he did...

Also so he was in a desert how deidara beat him was underhanded he used the village as a hostage and then implanted bombs in his guard sand while he was protecting the village he basically attempted 911 on sand village

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Umm try again that's a jumbled mess of a post

Do u think sasori wipes the floor with gaara quite easily ?
So I made a thread kakazu and gaara vs sasori and deidara and some guy made up this really funny way on it happens

Personally I think he was trolling on how sasori beats gaara

I belive gaara is a bad match up for sasori

There now (as of this war) generally on the same level
But gaara would beat sasori
But anyways imma post it everything in quotations is what he said I've countered everything he said at least I think I did


Him="And where does it state that iron sand had a limit? He could make it from his body and it is unclear about how much he can make so your Gaara has more sand isn't a valid argument"

Me=Does it say it doesn't ur point is invalid simply because he could make it from his body tht isn't him anymore he is a puppet there for no tht would work

Him="Now as for Gaara protecting kakuzu this is akatsuki so please tell me where they'd actually fight as a pair"
Me= -_______- everybody creates threads on teaming ppl up why wouldn't they fight as a pair neither one can solo tht team by themselves -_- who cares if its Akasuki or Kage there teamates in this match.

Him="Because I'm waiting for you to show me some proof of how sand can beat iron it would cut through it like butter "

Me=-___- iron sand hasn't shown any piercing attacks so for cutting through it like butter I dnt understand where thts coming from anyways
getting through gaara defense (and it senses) witch I think is hightly unlikely the thing tanked C3, deidara reg bombs,A lariot drop,joki boy, Amatratsu/enton,metor(with the help of onooki rock golem), kimmimaru strongest bone, and 5 Susanno swords with only half of his defense (the other half was protecting Mei) it was still protecting him without him even looking

"Tactics state that taking the opponent your mot likely to defeat away from his friend increases your chance of winning and sasori is cunning so do you recalling think he'd fight 2v2? No he wouldn't he'd split them up taking Gaara because he has a higher chance of defeating him then he does kakuzu"

Me=Neither kakazu or gaara would fall for tht their not hidan -_- and even if it did end up tht way sasori has more a chance against kakazu then gaara -[- because
Gaara clogs sasori puppets with sand making them useless
Gaara has more sand then 3rd kazekage puppet iron sand and can make more
Gold> iron
But gaara was able to stop the gold dust and even infuse it with his own sand witch I can c him doing with iron sand
Sasori poisen can't reach gaara

Gaara can fly higher and faster then sasori
Gaara sand overall is way faster then sasori
An sasori has nothin to penetrate gaara defense

Him="Now we've seen gaaras ultimate defence is a big ball where can control sand from inside making him safe... Wrong sasori has shown he can unrelentingly strong fire from the palms of his hands and focusing on the ball with fire he would essentially cook Gaara alive inside that thing so his ultimate defensive turns to an oven and Gaara dies unless he drops it"

Me=gaara's sand takes te form of his mother ultimate defense -_- not a big ball I think ur thinking about beginning shippuden gaara not not war arc gaara -_-
Also u said sasori can burn though it smh -____- when amatrasu/enton the hottest fire in the manga cannot smh again -_-

Him="Now I saw a post earlier about sasori having to fly to avoid sand tsunami sasori has shown this ability and he can easily keep it up because he is of no need for stamina and being a puppet master he could easily control himself and the second kazekage puppet while assaulting Gaara "

Me=how high u think he can fly 0.0 also gaara can attack with the tsunami while its coming at u shown against kimmimaru... Also no where does it say he has infinite stamina cuz he's not human ... Js if he can make chakra flow through him I'm sure he can get tired as well and run out of chakra but both him and gaara have a 5/5 in stamina so their equal in terms of it..


He last asks me now is this a good enough argument for u I say no what do y'all think

 

[Delta]

Can you send me the link to the post so ican read the replies and argue them mainly because iron sand will penetrate gaaras bung hold

 

[binderr]

Sasori against gaara is a terrible match up

Gaara> sasori read entire thread somewhere I mention how this happens
But if i didn't
Gaara clogs sasori puppets with sand making them useless
Gaara has more sand then 3rd kazekage puppet iron sand and can make more
Gold> iron
But gaara was able to stop the gold dust and even infuse it with his own sand witch I can c him doing with iron sand
Sasori poisen can't reach gaara

Gaara can fly higher and faster then sasori
Gaara sand overall is way faster then sasori
An sasori has nothin to penetrate gaara defense

3d kazekage could fly higher and faster than sasori
3d kazekages sand overall is way faster than sasori
Sasori has nothin to penetrate 3d kazekage

still, sasori found a way to kill 3d kazekage ^^

not a cheap shot, just saying his experience with fighting the 3d will make him be able to defeat Gaara

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

3d kazekage could fly higher and faster than sasori
3d kazekages sand overall is way faster than sasori
Sasori has nothin to penetrate 3d kazekage

still, sasori found a way to kill 3d kazekage ^^

not a cheap shot, just saying his experience with fighting the 3d will make him be able to defeat Gaara

I hate when ppl bring expirence into the picture sasori will for ever hav more expirence then gaara because he's older
Naruto doesn't have as much expirence as sasori does tht make sasori > naruto 0.0
Also we know nothing of tht fight or how it started ended so ur comment is invalid -_-
Dnt compare the 3rd to gaara when we no nothing of the third I can argue for days on how the gaara has surpassed the 3rd and dnt give me tht bullshit about when they said he was strongest kazekage cuz it was in beginning of shippuden and gaara was just becoming kazekage now the war should prove tht gaara has become the strongest kazekage based on feats js

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Can you send me the link to the post so ican read the replies and argue them mainly because iron sand will penetrate gaaras bung hold

You must be registered for see links

 

[Champ]

Wrong section

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Wrong section

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[Brother Numpsay]

Lol the only Akatsuki Gaara can take down is low-tier (Zetsu, Konan, Hidan) and thats because match up feats. Giving him Jinkiruki's power give more motive for Ataksuki to take him down with full force.

 

[Delta]

Sigh...

For one Chiyo stated that its impossible for the puppet to use iron sand and the fact that the puppet has the means to control the sand the same way he did when he was alive does not rule out the ability to produce as much of it as he wants so this is an invalid argument on both sides

As I stated even in a two vs two thread we are still talking battle tactics meaning that I'd be very foolish to fight two on two its basic principle my arguments are s if they where a cully fighting not ifs and buts they'd split up for sure because kakuzu is too dangerous with Gaara there so it'd all be 1v1

As for iron sand showing no piercing abilities iron sand world method I'd the spinifex ability which has a great deal of piercing power and because of the magnet release he can mould the iron sand into any weapon he needs so making something to pierce wouldn't be difficult

As for the sand clogging the joints I'm pretty sure the iron sand would just push it back out again rending it usless

Gaara stopped the gold dust ability because it was used a lot like his using the finer molecules of the ability to attack iron sand formed together to make a larger weapon therefore Gaara wouldn't be able to mix his sand in its the iron because it creates a solid object

As for shielding I think your making sasori sound like naruto rash and hasty he can use the iron sand as a stronger defence then gaaras sand because ironis denser then sand therefore making sasoris defence alot stronger

Now we don't know a lot about sasoris speed when flying but from chiyos reaction of when he went at her I'd say he was pretty fast so Ima put him on par with Gaara on this one

You mistook what I said earlier fire doesn't break through if Gaara is inside the defence the fire would cook him alive not penetrate so with high levels of fire the sand would eventually fall apart and coming from a scroll we don't know how long sasori an keep this up but Gaara will run out of chakra before sasori will mainly because sasori doesn't expend chakra with jutsu unlike Gaara

Any more arguments

 

[binderr]

I hate when ppl bring expirence into the picture sasori will for ever hav more expirence then gaara because he's older
Naruto doesn't have as much expirence as sasori does tht make sasori > naruto 0.0
Also we know nothing of tht fight or how it started ended so ur comment is invalid -_-
Dnt compare the 3rd to gaara when we no nothing of the third I can argue for days on how the gaara has surpassed the 3rd and dnt give me tht bullshit about when they said he was strongest kazekage cuz it was in beginning of shippuden and gaara was just becoming kazekage now the war should prove tht gaara has become the strongest kazekage based on feats js

easy bro, you try to counter points that I havent made
I am merely pointing out that sasori did aquire experience in his whole endeavour with the kidnapping and killing of the 3d. his preperations and whatnot.

Im not saying 3d > Gaara. I personally think otherwise. the point is 3d and gaara has very similar moves, and Sasori has experience dealing with those moves.

 

[chigaeshi]

Thank you for answering my question Sandomen123

about why did I said he can't offense and defense at same time cause simply he can't do it when enemy comes with large scale of attack..
that is why he got captured by deidara, isn't it?
he couldn't defend the village and defend himself, so he decided to focus on defending the village and got captured..
and before that when deidara was attacking him, gaara was just stay inside the barrier of sand he created..
it's obvious that he can't attack and defense against strong enemy..

and about puppets that clog by sands,
there are not just one or two puppets, it's more than hundred puppets..good enough to brought down an entire country..?
clog all of them? one by one? cause if he just bury them they will rise again.
+3rd kazekage puppet with iron sand technique and Thousand Hands Manipulation Force..
all with deadly poison and there's no way gaara and kakuzu has or carry the antidote..
let's just don't forget that sasori ccan use water and fire with the scroll, can move his heart to new body..

don't forget about deidara..
he's not just some fool that throws bomb.
he even has very good technique to finish the match with c4..

and about gaara being kage,
they are many shinobis that didn't became a kage even though they are strong..
all member of akatsuki is rated as s-rank ninjas
you said it like gaara is way more strong than others cause he is kazekage which is not

and I don't like to say this cause kakuzu is one of my favorite but,
kakuzu can be defeated by just few impact..it doesn't matter how many heart he has..
naruto defeated him with one attack (rasenshuriken) when he had 3 hearts (lightning, fire, wind hearts)



this is good argument so thanks for the thread