Kakashi's Kamui is faster than Obito's

[Bogard]

In this thread i'm not comparing who is stronger than who, who has better jutsus, better kamui than who, etc. I'm just comparing the speed of both Kamui because i believe it's really overlook in debates

Well it's stated in the manga that Kakashi's kamui is faster than Obito's, but what i don't understand is that almost all the time i bring it in a debate, some people deny this fact

Mangafacts:

1- Obito is a self kamui user who has Sharingan precognition and Rinnengan, but even him wasn't able to notice that Kakashi warped the rasengan and thought Naruto nullified it instead:

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2- After realising how dangerous Kamui is, notice that Tobi said he will pay attention on where the Kamui is used, so great attention with Sharingan and Rinnengan:

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But again, he didn't noticed when Kakashi warped the clone here. He even came to believe Kakashi's kamui failed and that his stake was faster to reach and dissipate Naruto's clone:

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But later, he realised he was wrong all the time. Just look how shocked he was when he realised that Kakashi warped Naruto faster than him warping his stake out:

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So Obito himself acknowledged the superiority in speed of Kakashi's kamui, so what is there to deny here? I thought it should instead be mangafact that Kakashi's Kamui is faster than Obito's, but meh everyone can have his opinion. Just wanted to point that out though

 

[Jordanofthecloud]

I think they are the same, since they are both Obito's Sharingan.

I would expect Obito's to work faster since he has Senju DNA

 

[Bogard]

I think they are the same, since they are both Obito's Sharingan.

I would expect Obito's to work faster since he has Senju DNA

Chakra has nothing to do with skills

 

[Sexy Steel]

it depends but overall i agree

but obito's intangibility ocurrs at the same speed i think but not the teleportation and erase of his existance.

 

[Draphsin]

It doesnt make any sense that someone who has a borrowed ability, and significantly less experience with that ability (14+years less to be exact) would be faster at casting it than the original owner of said ability...

 

[Bogard]

it depends but overall i agree

but obito's intangibility ocurrs at the same speed i think but not the teleportation and erase of his existance.

When Obito warps parts of his body, it's true it seems faster. It's when he wants to warp his whole body, or something/someone else in or out the dimension that it seems to take some time

It doesnt make any sense that someone who has a borrowed ability, and significantly less experience with that ability (16+years less to be exact) would be faster at casting it than the original owner of said ability...

Well it's a manga. A manga has his own logic and not always go like in real life. I'm only showing mangafacts. Furthermore i've already seen mangas where the copy is stronger than the original plenty of times. In pokemon for exemple Mew2 is stronger than Mew. It depends on skills really. Maybe Kakashi is simply better in it

 

[SilverSlick]

Technically, its equal or faster given that intangibility is apart of Kamui and Obito can go intangible instantaneously. You're only looking at one part of Kamui.

What can be concluded by this thread and the one I made a while back, Kamui's speed is alterable. Higher speeds calls for more chakra consumption. Kakashi has been confirmed to alter the speed of his Kamui(the absorbtion) to a level where even Obito with his sharingan didn't notice. It was hinted by Obito that he could Kamui Minato the moment he lays his hand on him. Using deductive logic and what had happened just moments earlier, Obito has the ability to Kamui things faster than the speed at which Minato can think. Read the chapter for where I'm getting this at.

 

[Sexy Steel]

When Obito warps parts of his body, it's true it seems faster. It's when he wants to warp his whole body, or something/someone else in or out the dimension that it seems to take some time

Well it's a manga. A manga has his own logic and not always go like in real life. I'm only showing mangafacts. Furthermore i've already seen mangas where the copy is stronger than the original plenty of times. In pokemon for exemple Mew2 is stronger than Mew

yeah it seems making him self untouchable is obito's forte as kakashi's is using kamui on objects putting them into the kamui dimension. looking at it closely obito is more skilled using kamui as he has mastered two aspects of it which makes sense since he has had it longer, but both kamui's deal with different aspects of battle, one for offense other for defense.

 

[key 2 victory is avarice]

I am pretty sure they are the same speed, because they are the exact same move from obito's sharingan. However, Kakashi has a better perspicacious mind which allows him to use kamui first.

 

[Bogard]

Technically, its equal or faster given that intangibility is apart of Kamui and Obito can go intangible instantaneously. You're only looking at one part of Kamui.

What can be concluded by this thread and the one I made a while back, Kamui's speed is alterable. Higher speeds calls for more chakra consumption. Kakashi has been confirmed to alter the speed of his Kamui(the absorbtion) to a level where even Obito with his sharingan didn't notice. It was hinted by Obito that he could Kamui Minato the moment he lays his hand on him. Using deductive logic and what had happened just moments earlier, Obito has the ability to Kamui things faster than the speed at which Minato can think. Read the chapter for where I'm getting this at.

I do remember when he mentioned the fact he could warp faster, but we have actually to see it. And judging by the fact he wasn't able to warp himself fast enough to escape Konan's explosive tags and even needed to ressorted to Izanagi to survive, it means that it's not instantaneous something that Konan even noted. So i believe that eventhough Obito can increase the speed of the vortex, it still remain slower than Kakashi's that take effect in an instant

 

[Ldude]

Obito can do it instantaneously though, that he made them think their attacks were going through him.

 

[Aertes]

Well this is a difficult comparison to be made.
OP made some good point,Silverslick too.
But since their kamuis doesn't work completely the same I am not quite sure if I have to agree or disagree.
I believe that Kakashi's reflexes are sharper than Obito's but on the other hand Obito is more experienced with his kamui.
So for now I'll just be a fangirl and say Kakashi will prevail in everything at the end!

 

[H a n]

Kakashi is a quick mofo..I think he is a bit faster but he might just be timing it just right while Obito is still trying to watch the dusk settle.

 

[Draphsin]

I do remember when he mentioned the fact he could warp faster, but we have actually to see it. And judging by the fact he wasn't able to warp himself fast enough to escape Konan's explosive tags and even needed to ressorted to Izanagi to survive, it means that it's not instantaneous something that Konan even noted. So i believe that eventhough Obito can increase the speed of the vortex, it still remain slower than Kakashi's that take effect in an instant

He had to use izanagi because he cant stay intangible for 5mins straight. And its stated that it takes him longer to kamui himself than others. When he kamui's someone its as instant as kakashi's

 

[Sexy Steel]

Well this is a difficult comparison to be made.
OP made some good point,Silverslick too.
But since their kamuis doesn't work completely the same I am not quite sure if I have to agree or disagree.
I believe that Kakashi's reflexes are sharper than Obito's but on the other hand Obito is more experienced with his kamui.
So for now I'll just be a fangirl and say Kakashi will prevail in everything at the end!

obito was keeping up with gai, bm naruto and kakashi i am pretty sure he has reflexes as good if not better than kakashi's

 

[yellowxflash]

I wouldnt say the jutsu itself is faster, it just the case kakashi was more proficient or a step head when attacking