Kakashi wouldn't be able to defeat Sasuke!!!

[Mohamed Nabil]

Some people said before that if Kakashi was there with the team during the reunion he could've defeated Sasuke and forced him to return back to the village, but I think that the gap between Kakashi and part 2 Sasuke is the same as the gap between Sasuke and Itachi!! and that's because :
1- Sasuke is an S-class kage level ninja while Kakashi is only an A-rank ninja
2- Sasuke fought and defeated Orochimru while Kakashi thought to him self that he is out of his mind to even think about fighting Orochimaru
3- Sasuke fought Itachi and was able to keep up with him while Kakashi with his team struggled against a clone of Itachi
4- Sasuke's lightning, speed, chakra and stamina are superior to Kakashi's

-Sasuke's intelligence and skills are on par with Kakashi
-at that time Kamui was still a new technique and takes a lot of time to be performed = Kirin is faster

That's why I think even if Kakashi was there he wouldn't be able to defeat Sasuke, and most likely he is the one would've been defeated

What do you think ?

 

[KISSame]

I consider them to be almost equal at that point I think if kakashi was there he'd either force sauce to use cm or oro and kabuto would jump in. Maybe if kakashi was there sasuke wouldn't of had the chance to suppress the kyubi in naruto. There could be lots of different outcomes but most likely due to cm, oro and kabuto they would have copped a beating.

 

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[Banisher]

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[Obito the supreme jin]

Good analysis. I agree

1. Kamui Snipe was very taxing. It drains Kakashi a lot of chakra as well because he isn't an Uchiha.

2. Kirin is faster than Kakashi's snipe and also keep in mind that Kakashi needs a little bit of prep at that time.

3. Sasuke's speed/stamina is better than Kakashi. Kakashi has to be bedridden after 2 Kamui Snipes meaning it was the limit at that time so his stamina is very poor. Kirin gives Sauce the advantage and his Raikiri is not on par with that level of a Raiton attack.

Overall Pre Hebi Sasuke was way ahead of Team 7. I was very much impressed with Sasuke's speed. He came up to embrace Naruto in an instant. Nevertheless, Team 7 wouldn't have been able to stop Sasuke even with the reinforcements.

 

[SenseiSama]

Of course he wouldn't, only Naruto is on par with Sasuke, everyone else is fodder

 

[Mishima]

Water is wet

 

[KISSame]

Kirin gives Sauce the advantage and his Raikiri is not on par with that level of a Raiton.

Not sure if I can agree with this Raikiri is supposed to be able to cut lightning kirin is lightning so I feel like kakashi could survive sasuke's best tech but you're right about the stamina he would eventually fall to cm sauce.

 

[Warlocks]

yes sasuke solo

 

[Aznkidd]

What are you smoking ?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Not sure if I can agree with this Raikiri is supposed to be able to cut lightning kirin is lightning so I feel like kakashi could survive sasuke's best tech but you're right about the stamina he would eventually fall to cm sauce.

The scale is much different though. Raikiri was stated to cut a regular lightning bolt.

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We are talking about a stream of lightning bolts generated all at once from the cumulus clouds. That is Kirin. Raikiri cannot cut down so many bolts at once which is why I believe that Sasuke will take this to the house.

 

[LEAU92]

Some people said before that if Kakashi was there with the team during the reunion he could've defeated Sasuke and forced him to return back to the village, but I think that the gap between Kakashi and part 2 Sasuke is the same as the gap between Sasuke and Itachi!! and that's because :
1- Sasuke is an S-class kage level ninja while Kakashi is only an A-rank ninja
2- Sasuke fought and defeated Orochimru while Kakashi thought to him self that he is out of his mind to even think about fighting Orochimaru
3- Sasuke fought Itachi and was able to keep up with him while Kakashi with his team struggled against a clone of Itachi
4- Sasuke's lightning, speed, chakra and stamina are superior to Kakashi's

-Sasuke's intelligence and skills are on par with Kakashi
-at that time Kamui was still a new technique and takes a lot of time to be performed = Kirin is faster

That's why I think even if Kakashi was there he wouldn't be able to defeat Sasuke, and most likely he is the one would've been defeated

What do you think ?

1) You showed no proof of Kakashi being A-Class. If you send someone on an S-Class mission it's because he/she meet the requirements in order to do so. Kakashi was an ANBU Black Op for 10 years and they're all sent on S-Class missions.

2) Sasuke fought a bed-ridden Orochimaru. It makes no difference really, if Orochimaru failed to find a host he would have just died on his own. Kakashi was faced with a fully functional Orochimaru BEFORE he lost his jutsu (I wouldn't mess with him then).

3) Itachi was also sick almost to the point of death, Black Zetsu confirmed this as Itachi failed to dodge a rigged fuma-shuriken Sasuke threw. Saying Itachi should have been able to dodge that easily, then he coughs up blood and his eyesight begins to blur. Kakashi never struggled in that fight and was actually well prepared for it, the only one who really struggled was Naruto as he was hit with a Genjutsu right off the bat.

4) That's true, but Sasuke at that point in time was a really reckless combatant. He drew out too much chakra and forced his Susano'o to the point he nearly turned blind. If you've noticed in all of Kakashi's fights, he acknowledges his weaknesses and disadvantages against his opponent. At that point in time I don't see why he wouldn't stand a chance.

If anything, all I'm trying to prove is that this "power gap" you were referring to is not as vast as you claim it is. It's a matter of perspective really, the battle would come down to wits rather than pure strength and stamina.

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

1) You showed no proof of Kakashi being A-Class. If you send someone on an S-Class mission it's because he/she meet the requirements in order to do so. Kakashi was an ANBU Black Op for 10 years and they're all sent on S-Class missions.

2) Sasuke fought a bed-ridden Orochimaru. It makes no difference really, if Orochimaru failed to find a host he would have just died on his own. Kakashi was faced with a fully functional Orochimaru BEFORE he lost his jutsu (I wouldn't mess with him then).

3) Itachi was also sick almost to the point of death, Black Zetsu confirmed this as Itachi failed to dodge a rigged fuma-shuriken Sasuke threw. Saying Itachi should have been able to dodge that easily, then he coughs up blood and his eyesight begins to blur. Kakashi never struggled in that fight and was actually well prepared for it, the only one who really struggled was Naruto as he was hit with a Genjutsu right off the bat.

4) That's true, but Sasuke at that point in time was a really reckless combatant. He drew out too much chakra and forced his Susano'o to the point he nearly turned blind. If you've noticed in all of Kakashi's fights, he acknowledges his weaknesses and disadvantages against his opponent. At that point in time I don't see why he wouldn't stand a chance.

If anything, all I'm trying to prove is that this "power gap" you were referring to is not as vast as you claim it is. It's a matter of perspective really, the battle would come down to wits rather than pure strength and stamina.

1- I remember reading that somewhere before
2-Even if Orochimaru was at full power he would still be defeated because the sharingan is his weakness
3-at least Itachi acknowledged Sasuke's strength! Kakashi needed Naruto's help to defeat a clone
4-Wrong, Sasuke before awakening the MS was very tactical and uses strategies to beat his opponents

 

[Aznkidd]

1- I remember reading that somewhere before
2-Even if Orochimaru was at full power he would still be defeated because the sharingan is his weakness
3-at least Itachi acknowledged Sasuke's strength! Kakashi needed Naruto's help to defeat a clone
4-Wrong, Sasuke before awakening the MS was very tactical and uses strategies to beat his opponents

You sure reading the right manga ?

Orochimaru is no longer like before and he is fighting with jutsu that cant be copied.
The only way for him to loose is to use his soul transfer or died on his sickbed. Greedy is what cost him his lost.
Orochimaru in fight is staying inside of another body, having shred skin, so any out cast genjutsu is pretty useless.
Your fav is not in million years out smart Kakashi, so dont even try.

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

You sure reading the right manga ?

Orochimaru is no longer like before and he is fighting with jutsu that cant be copied.
The only way for him to loose is to use his soul transfer or died on his sickbed. Greedy is what cost him his lost.
Orochimaru in fight is staying inside of another body, having shred skin, so any out cast genjutsu is pretty useless.
Your fav is not in million years out smart Kakashi, so dont even try.

Itachi acknowledging Sasuke's strength :

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Itachi defeated Orochimaru with regular 3t genjutsu, Sasuke would've done the same thing.

 

[Aznkidd]

Itachi acknowledging Sasuke's strength :

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Itachi defeated Orochimaru with regular 3t genjutsu, Sasuke would've done the same thing.

He is died to his own sickness so your fav has done little to nothin against Itachi. In fact ur fav has been vsing 4 sick targets. Orochimaru is almost die if no transfer, to make thing even worse for you, Orochimaru was staying inside of Sasuke all this time. Itachi is going to die anyway so he just plant out everything before hand (gives Naruto KA crow and Sasuke awaken new eye abilities) and the worst of it he died on his own. Deidara just nearly got killed and both of his arm got ripped not long ago. Danzo is just a crippled and he is fighting hashi cell in same time + worrying about the other two target + have to save the KA for Tobi.

 

[Eng nawashi]

1- I remember reading that somewhere before
2-Even if Orochimaru was at full power he would still be defeated because the sharingan is his weakness
3-at least Itachi acknowledged Sasuke's strength! Kakashi needed Naruto's help to defeat a clone
4-Wrong, Sasuke before awakening the MS was very tactical and uses strategies to beat his opponents

:lol at kakashi needing naruto to defeat 30% itachi (you call it clone as if it was KB) kakashi restrained itachi with his clone and could have finished him by himself easily .

Kirin preparation would take too much chakra and time without amatrasu presence .kamui also developed at the end of gara rescue arc and was able to contain and warp the explosion away so it could probably warp sasuke too.

 

[KISSame]

The scale is much different though. Raikiri was stated to cut a regular lightning bolt.

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We are talking about a stream of lightning bolts generated all at once from the cumulus clouds. That is Kirin. Raikiri cannot cut down so many bolts at once which is why I believe that Sasuke will take this to the house.

Agree to disagree? I think kakashi could do it. At least if the fight did happen the plot would probably allow him too it would be an awesome final clash probably leaving kakashi worse for wear.

 

[BLAZE]

Agreed with title disagreed with

1- Sasuke is an S-class kage level ninja while Kakashi is only an A-rank ninja

What da :|

2- Sasuke fought and defeated Orochimru while Kakashi thought to him self that he is out of his mind to even think about fighting Orochimaru

Weakened Orochimaru at his deathbed

3- Sasuke fought Itachi and was able to keep up with him while Kakashi with his team struggled against a clone of Itachi

Itachi wasn't going all out and he was terribly sick at that point of time

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi didn't have full intent to kill, otherwise he'd have done this:

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He had enough chakra to do it at the moment, and Sasuke is not fast enough to dodge in on foot.

So no, if kakashi wanted, he'd have killed Sasuke. Or sent him to the other dimension to just rot and die of hunger, while Obito would have pulled him out. But Kakashi would have won.