Kakashi VS Tsunade!!!!!!

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Kakashi won't be able to genjutsu her, Madara's clones were not able to do that to her. and raikiri will just get him stuck in Tsunade. That sounded dirty. D:
But yeah, Tsunade has her byakugo no jutsu and Katsuyu. And she is a taijutsu expert.
give me pic in the manga ,madara tried to use ginjutsu on her but he failed ,you just speak without evidence
kakashi can cut her into two by raiki or lighting chain so that the healing would be useless
 

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first the only time she hit madara ,he was clone
madara has never used shinra tensi so don't speak about it like it is fact
part 1 kabuto was able to dodge tusonade so akkashi easily can too
kakashi opened first gate once in the manga when he was climbing the mountain in part 1 to train sasuke after the 2nd stage of chunin exam
People with rinnegan usually can use rinnegan abilities. :| Tsunade was rusty at that time, hadn't fought for 20 years. And was it a mokuton bunshin? I think not. Check what it looked like when destroyed, then check Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. They look different.
Tsunade landed the hit on the real Madara.

I was wrong about the GATE. But it won't help against Tsunade. He will just hurt himself using it.

give me pic in the manga ,madara tried to use ginjutsu on her but he failed ,you just speak without evidence
kakashi can cut her into two by raiki or lighting chain so that the healing would be useless
Madara did use genjutsu on A so that proves that it's one of his tactics.
It would be the same if I asked when has Kakashi used the raikiri chain on a person? NEVER. So he can't. :| That doesn't make much sense does it?

She did survive being cut in half already. WHILE healing other kages also. With Katsuyu's help Kakashi doesn't prove to be much of threat to her.
 
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first people got ride of kamui from kakashi ,then they said she is invisible against ginjutsu(without any evidence)and kakashi can't avoid her(although part 1 kabuto was able to do that)and finally they said raiki can't cut her body into two
 

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first people got ride of kamui from kakashi ,then they said she is invisible against ginjutsu(without any evidence)and kakashi can't avoid her(although part 1 kabuto was able to do that)and finally they said raiki can't cut her body into two
With kamui it's clearly Kakashi's win so... yeah. Read my earlier answer.
 

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People with rinnegan usually can use rinnegan abilities. :| Tsunade was rusty at that time, hadn't fought for 20 years. And was it a mokuton bunshin? I think not. Check what it looked like when destroyed, then check Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. They look different.
Tsunade landed the hit on the real Madara.

I was wrong about the GATE. But it won't help against Tsunade. He will just hurt himself using it.
no it is clone
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kakashi without gates can dodge tusonade easily,even part 1 kabuto was able to do that
 

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kakashi without gates can dodge tusonade easily,even part 1 kabuto was able to do that
So Kabuto is better at dodging than Madara? I highly doubt it. And Tsunade was rusty as I told you earlier.
Compare that "mokuton bunshin" with Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. Madara's "clone" looks exactly the same as Tobirama's when getting destroyed. So that think that Tsunade hit WAS the real Madara, he just had enough mobility to use the mokuton bunshin BEFORE Gaara used that sealing jutsu.
I mean, edo Tobirama was in the same state as destroyed Madara and still was mobile.
 

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People with rinnegan usually can use rinnegan abilities. :| Tsunade was rusty at that time, hadn't fought for 20 years. And was it a mokuton bunshin? I think not. Check what it looked like when destroyed, then check Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. They look different.
Tsunade landed the hit on the real Madara.

I was wrong about the GATE. But it won't help against Tsunade. He will just hurt himself using it.



Madara did use genjutsu on A so that proves that it's one of his tactics.
It would be the same if I asked when has Kakashi used the raikiri chain on a person? NEVER. So he can't. :| That doesn't make much sense does it?

She did survive being cut in half already. WHILE healing other kages also. With Katsuyu's help Kakashi doesn't prove to be much of threat to her.
no madara hasn't used ginjutsu on her because if he had done ,he should have been used ems not rinningan because he can't perform ginjutsu with rinningan
when madara wanted to put A in ginjutsu he turned his eye into ems to do that
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so mada's using rinningan all time is evidence that he wasn't using ginjutsu
 
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So Kabuto is better at dodging than Madara? I highly doubt it. And Tsunade was rusty as I told you earlier.
Compare that "mokuton bunshin" with Hashirama's mokuton bunshin. Madara's "clone" looks exactly the same as Tobirama's when getting destroyed. So that think that Tsunade hit WAS the real Madara, he just had enough mobility to use the mokuton bunshin BEFORE Gaara used that sealing jutsu.
I mean, edo Tobirama was in the same state as destroyed Madara and still was mobile.
madara himslef said it was hashirama's mouktun clone ,i don't care how manga showed it
 

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madara himslef said it was hashirama's mouktun clone ,i don't care how manga showed it
I believe what I see. Madara never said WHEN he changed with a clone. I mean, Tsunade landed on a branch right next to where "Madara" was being sealed. He used it just before Gaara finished the sealing. Tsunade did hit the real Madara.

no madara hasn't used ginjutsu on her because if he had done ,he should have been used ems not rinningan because he can't perform ginjutsu with rinningan
when madara wanted to put A in ginjutsu he turned his eye into ems to do that
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so mada's using rinningan all time is evidence that he wasn't using ginjutsu
So why didn't the Madara clones do this to Tsunade? Tsunade did also fight 5 susanoo's. Tsunade was able avoid Madara's gaze.
A was not.
 

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I believe what I see. Madara never said WHEN he changed with a clone. I mean, Tsunade landed on a branch right next to where "Madara" was being sealed. He used it just before Gaara finished the sealing. Tsunade did hit the real Madara.



So why didn't the Madara clones do this to Tsunade? Tsunade did also fight 5 susanoo's. Tsunade was able avoid Madara's gaze.
A was not.
there are no prove for what you say
gara sealed madara's clone then real madara who was hiding underground hit tusonade
madara has never used ginjutsu on tusonade and failed ,you can't say tusonade is invisible against ginjutsu with no evidence
madara the one who controlled kiubi and trained obito who controlled perfect jin the ginjutsu ,can easily put tusonade in ginjutsu
 

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there are no prove for what you say
gara sealed madara's clone then real madara who was hiding underground hit tusonade
madara has never used ginjutsu on tusonade and failed ,you can't say tusonade is invisible against ginjutsu with no evidence
madara the one who controlled kiubi and trained obito who controlled perfect jin the ginjutsu ,can easily put tusonade in ginjutsu
Oh lordy. :D You have such double standards. Gee. Madara was hiding in the branch, not underground. We can't know for a fact WHEN Madara used the mokuton bunshin feint. Everything at this point suggests that it indeed was the real Madara Tsunade landed a hit on. Compare the destroyed Madara to destroyed Edo Hashirama. It was nowhere stated WHEN Madara used the clone feint as I told earlier.

I have never said Tsunade was invincible against genjutsu, but then again she has never been caught in one in the series. Why didn't Madara put Tsunade under a genjutsu then? WHY. With Tsunade in genjutsu he could have killed her easily, but failed to kill her in the end. He FAILED to use genjutsu on Tsunade. Of course a cunning man like Madara would try that, he even used it on a fodder. So it's a part of his fighting style.
 

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Oh lordy. :D You have such double standards. Gee. Madara was hiding in the branch, not underground. We can't know for a fact WHEN Madara used the mokuton bunshin feint. Everything at this point suggests that it indeed was the real Madara Tsunade landed a hit on. Compare the destroyed Madara to destroyed Edo Hashirama. It was nowhere stated WHEN Madara used the clone feint as I told earlier.

I have never said Tsunade was invincible against genjutsu, but then again she has never been caught in one in the series. Why didn't Madara put Tsunade under a genjutsu then? WHY. With Tsunade in genjutsu he could have killed her easily, but failed to kill her in the end. He FAILED to use genjutsu on Tsunade. Of course a cunning man like Madara would try that, he even used it on a fodder. So it's a part of his fighting style.
because if he had used ginjutsu on 5 kages ,he would have beaten them in seconds
give pic ,madara used ginjutsu on tusonade and he failed
kakashi used ginjutsu on obito and 2 anbu before but he normally doesn't use it

if it was real madara then they sealed real madara because there are no pic in the manga shows madara breaks the seal and get out from sand's pyramid
 

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because if he had used ginjutsu on 5 kages ,he would have beaten them in seconds
give pic ,madara used ginjutsu on tusonade and he failed
kakashi used ginjutsu on obito and 2 anbu before but he normally doesn't use it

if it was real madara then they sealed real madara because there are no pic in the manga shows madara breaks the seal and get out from sand's pyramid
Give me a scan of Kakashi using raiton chain on a person. :| Then why did the clones try to kill them it that wasn't what Madara wanted to do, huh? Tsunade and the others just avoided the genjutsu. His genjutsu demands eye contact. Same goes for Kakashi.
 

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Give me a scan of Kakashi using raiton chain on a person. :| Then why did the clones try to kill them it that wasn't what Madara wanted to do, huh? Tsunade and the others just avoided the genjutsu. His genjutsu demands eye contact. Same goes for Kakashi.
madara needs to turn his eye into sharingan or ems to use ginjutsu then, when he was fighting them using rinningan ,that means he wasn't using ginjutsu
 

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Kakashi's current feats with kamui!
warps gyuuki two times (kyuubi just restored him to his full not gave his chakra)
extremely fast(Fooled pain with rinnegan and obito with same type of ms and a rinnegan to believe that nothing happened when he warped a nail and naruto clone or rasengan i forgot)
High accuracy and aiming( i dont have to say anything about this)
Can use it many times even with other chakra taxing tech (he fought for some days with atleast 4 raikiris, and mud wall, and many other and still able to use kamui 5 times before kyuubi restored him)

Kakashi's other feats!
Can cut several arms of v2 jinchurike which even ocochimarus sword(kusanagi or whatever) couldnt pierce
can use sharingan very well
has very high reflexes for tsunades punches

Thats all i need to say
 

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madara needs to turn his eye into sharingan or ems to use ginjutsu then, when he was fighting them using rinningan ,that means he wasn't using ginjutsu
But why in the heck he didn't use it on EVERYONE if he could. :D You're so stubborn. Kakashi will not be able to get Tsunade with genjutsu. Simple as that. It's true because even Madara couldn't. I believe he did try it on every kage, off screen. Since the biggest parts of that fight happened off screen.
I'm starting to believe you're a troll.
 

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Kakashi's current feats with kamui!
warps gyuuki two times (kyuubi just restored him to his full not gave his chakra)
extremely fast(Fooled pain with rinnegan and obito with same type of ms and a rinnegan to believe that nothing happened when he warped a nail and naruto clone or rasengan i forgot)
High accuracy and aiming( i dont have to say anything about this)
Can use it many times even with other chakra taxing tech (he fought for some days with atleast 4 raikiris, and mud wall, and many other and still able to use kamui 5 times before kyuubi restored him)

Kakashi's other feats!
Can cut several arms of v2 jinchurike which even ocochimarus sword(kusanagi or whatever) couldnt pierce
can use sharingan very well
has very high reflexes for tsunades punches

Thats all i need to say
The deal here was without kamui. Of course with kamui he'll take this.
 

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What. :D Kakashi can't open gates.
, he is capable of opening a gate.

His Susanoo was first destroyed by Tsunade and after that she landed the punch. He didn't even have time to use any rinnegan abilities like shinra tensei to counter.
, what she was punching was a shadow clone, not the real Madara. Intentionally tricking an opponent with a Bunshin does not indicate inability to react, which unfortunately the majority of individuals debating on Tsunade's behalf fail to realize or simply choose to ignore.

Kakashi won't be able to genjutsu her, Madara's clones were not able to do that to her.
You are turning Madara not choosing to resort to Genjutsu as some sort of indication that Tsunade is capable of avoiding it. Madara was in full control of that battle, taking the leisure of posing on rocks and using insane techniques on a whim. The fact he used Genjutsu on the Raikage does not prove he was actively trying to Genjutsu the other Kages throughout the entire match, as shown when Gaara and Onoki both stared directly into his eyes without being captured in an illusion.

Avoiding Sharingan Genjutsu demands insane sensing abilities like Kabuto's or requires a unique fighting style like Gai's - Tsunade lacks both. Thus, you cannot reach the conclusion that Tsunade is capable of avoiding Sharingan Genjutsu. Scanning over your posts, you have zero evidence supporting Tsunade's Genjutsu immunity, barring "because magic."
 
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