Kakashi vs Sasuke

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This is 3 Tomoe Kakashi vs Hebi Sasuke without the Curse Mark

Location
Destroyed Konoha

Intel
Full Intel for both sides

Restrictions
Kamui for Kakashi
Sasuke can't go into his Curse Mark State
Summonings


Mindset
Both sides are looking to spill blood

Scenario II
Pre-War Arc MS Kakashi vs Hebi Sasuke (Curse Mark unrestricted)
 

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Kakashi wins Scenario 1, but loses Scenario 2.
 

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Kakashi is faster, with better reflexes, better CQC, stronger, tougher, smarter, more versatile, Raikiri > Chidori and Raikiri variants > Chidori variants, Suiton + Raiton + Doton > Katon + Raiton. Sasuke can use CS to boost himself but Kakashi still schools him.
 

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Scenario 1: Kakashi
Scenario 2: Sasuke
 

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Kakashi wins both since he has comparable speed and cqc skills but superior elemental ninjutsu and tactics.
 

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I was waiting for someone to make this thread. Two sharingan users, with similar fighting styles and comparable speeds, honestly they stalemate each other in almost every category. I would give it to Kakashi if Curse Mark is restricted, with it unrestricted Sasuke wins.
 

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Sasuke wins both secnarios because of Kirin.
 

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Sasuke wins both secnarios because of Kirin.

Kirin doesn't really work here because Kakashi has full intel of it/it won't take him off guard like Sasuke tried to do with Itachi.

Giving Kakashi full intel in a fight where he's not clearly overmatched will practically always give him the victory.

The list of characters who can even come close in matching him in tactical knowledge is very short, and Sasuke is not on that list.

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Was never proven to be false in the manga. If Kakashi has knowledge of a technique and how it works, he's going to figure out how to avoid it/defeat it if possible. Again, it's going to require someone who can think on par, if not out think Kakashi(again, if he's not obviously overmatched). Sasuke is not capable of such a feat.
 
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Kirin doesn't really work here because Kakashi has full intel of it/it won't take him off guard like Sasuke tried to do with Itachi.

Giving Kakashi full intel in a fight where he's not clearly overmatched will practically always give him the victory.

The list of characters who can even come close in matching him in tactical knowledge is very short, and Sasuke is not on that list.

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Was never proven to be false in the manga. If Kakashi has knowledge of a technique and how it works, he's going to figure out how to avoid it/defeat it if possible. Again, it's going to require someone who can think on par, if not out think Kakashi(again, if he's not obviously overmatched). Sasuke is not capable of such a feat.

There's absolutely nothing Kakashi can do about Kirin... As for intelligence goes, we have a different opinion about Kakashi.. The only person I think is smarter than Sasuke in battle tactics is shika and his dad.. There's about five people that I put on the same level as Kakashi and Sasuke is definitely one of them..
 

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Lol, Sasuke's not getting enough time to prep Kirin against someone like Kakashi.
 

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Lol waving hand signs doesn't take much prep.. Or shooting a few fireballs in the air isn't hard to do lol.
 

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There's absolutely nothing Kakashi can do about Kirin... As for intelligence goes, we have a different opinion about Kakashi.. The only person I think is smarter than Sasuke in battle tactics is shika and his dad.. There's about five people that I put on the same level as Kakashi and Sasuke is definitely one of them..

Kakashi can prevent Sasuke from doing it, is how. Sasuke has to change the atmosphere here to pull off kirin(given OP didn't say that they're fighting in a thunderstorm), which is Kakashi is going to be looking for. In this regard he could make sure he turns this in to a close quarters fight and prevent Sasuke the chance to use it.

Remember, the only reason he was able to pull this off vs Itachi is because Itachi was exhausted, nor did Itachi ever even try to intervene(and we learn that's partially because he had no interest in actually killing Sasuke, on top of his exhaustion). You're gonna have a hard time arguing that Kakashi, with full knowledge of the technique, seeing the thunderclouds come in, is just going to sit back and wait for Sasuke to strike him with it.

He's either going to keep Sasuke on the defensive, is going to substitute his self for a clone(something he's a master at doing), or insert any other possibility here.

And no, Sasuke is not on Kakashi's level in battle tactics. Kakashi is the one that team 7(including Sasuke) shut up and listened to when it came to developing the plan to defeat Kaguya. Not Sasuke. Kakashi has the hype of never falling for the same technique twice. He has the feats that support that statement.

There's only 2 instances of where Kakashi delegated the role of developing the battle plan in this manga. The first instance was when he allowed Shikamaru to develop the plan against Kakuzu and Hidan, and this was explained quite clearly to be because Shikamaru had much more intel on them than Kakashi, and had been working on a plan long before Kakashi joined their team.

Number 2 is when they were in Sasuke's susanoo during Mugen Tsukuyomi, and Sasuke was the only one who could see outside of the susanoo.

So going off the hype of Kakashi(never falling for the same technique twice), him backing up that throughout the entirety of the manga, and a stronger, more experienced version of Sasuke leaving the plan that would decide the fate of their universe in Kakashi's hands rather than his, I think it's pretty fair to say Kakashi is the superior tactician.

Now, that doesn't mean Sasuke is dumb. He's obviously not, but he's not in Kakashi's league. The manga makes that quite clear.

Also, I don't like using databook scores especially because we don't really know how to take them(like what does "base" mean for each character and whatever else), but Sasuke is listed with a 3.5/5 intelligence score in the 3rd databook, which does cover Hebi Sasuke. Kakashi is given an intelligence score of 5/5.
 

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It's not like Kakashi would have the advantage in close range combat, so I don't see how that helps your arguement.

Kakashi also have low chakra like Itachi.. So him running out is a very plausible assumption that could make it easier to use.

I'll give you credit. I think Kakashi use clones better than anyone in the manga but he's also very limited to how many he can use.

Yes Sasuke is on kakashi's level in battle tactics.. Kakashi did come up with the plan to seal Kaguya but he was working with four people while Naruto and Sasuke was working by themselves.. What Kakashi did was noteworthy but definitely doesn't separate him from Sasuke.. Every battle Sasuke has been in he's use some form of battle tatic save his last fight with naruto.

The databook proves nothing especially when there's full intell.
 

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Sasuke wins both secnarios because of Kirin.

Yes because Sasuke can even prep it without the heat from Amaterasu...or because Kakashi has full intel and can just extinguish katon with suiton...Kirin ain't happening bruh
 

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Yes because Sasuke can even prep it without the heat from Amaterasu...or because Kakashi has full intel and can just extinguish katon with suiton...Kirin ain't happening bruh


Yes he can.

And I don't remember kakashi's using sution without a sorce of water.. He's not kisame or Tobirama
 

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People thinking Kakashi wins any scenario Lmao
 

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Yes he can.

And I don't remember kakashi's using sution without a sorce of water.. He's not kisame or Tobirama

I just disregard that scan, becuase we find out later that releasing heat into the sky first is a necessity. Why didnt Sasuke just use Kirin gg on Itachi from the start, or Deidara? Lol, it wouldn't make sense.
 

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I just disregard that scan, becuase we find out later that releasing heat into the sky first is a necessity. Why didnt Sasuke just use Kirin gg on Itachi from the start, or Deidara? Lol, it wouldn't make sense.

So are you saying you think Sasuke was going to use a different jutsu?

It could've been weaker without starting a storm... Lol you can't disregard manga scans.
 
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