Kakashi vs Minato

[Eng nawashi]

I'm not going to take you seriously when you are dumb enough to believe Kakashi can react to JJ Madara despite BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke having trouble with Obito. Saying Kakashi can react as fast as KCM Minato based on them reaching for BZ at the same time is tantamount to the arguments that attempt to put Kakashi on 6G Gai's speed level. The Madara argument is just plain retarded.

So like I said. Not going to bother.
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Naruto and sasuke had trouble in tracking Flying JJ obi to ,there is much difference between tracking someone in order to land your attack and just reacting mentally and partially physically to him ,there is much difference ,so what do you exactly want to say here ?
You want to say that I wont take with this part of the mange because I can't mentally accept it !!!? Lol ,You are saying kakashi would never react to Flying JJ madara though manga clearly showed him reacting ,you are contradicting the manga now

- KCM Minato failed to do what he reacted and moved his arm to , Nothing makes me or anyone think that minato wasn't using his best reactions or arm movements speed
If he had succeeded ,then you could have argued that he wasn't using his top reaction and arm movements, but this isn't the case here

@bold ,that isn't what I believe in ,that is what manga showed ,so you aren't gonna take the manga seriously now

 

[LuckyMan]

His hand speed being faster and him having faster reflexes doesn't automatically put him above Kakashi in overall CQC ability, including Taijutsu.

Hashirama having no feats is irrelevant, cause Madara has feats, and as you said, I put them as equals in that area. So I'm not seeing your point here. Minato has no such thing. Neither does Tobirama, nor have I ever, nor will I ever, claim that Tobirama>Kakashi in overall Taijutsu ability, cause nothing supports it.

Madaras feats were stomping a group of fodders. Beginning part 2 Sasuke stomped 500 fodders with Tai/Kenjutsu, without killing a single one yet the third DB only gave him a 3.5 in that area.

Madara didn't face any competent shinobi in Taijutsu for us to really compare his skills and if all it takes is for someone with a 3.5 to solo 500 fodders then his feat of stomping those dudes isn't as impressive as one may believe.

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So you can't just assume Madara would stomp Kakashi when DB3 ranked him 2 tiers above Sasuke in Taijutsu skill and Madaras feat is similar to Sasukes, actually, Sasukes is better.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm not going to take you seriously when you are dumb enough to believe Kakashi can react to JJ Madara

Well he did blitz Kaguya and reacted fast enough to not be killed by her... and I'm pretty sure she's faster than Madara.

 

[LuckyMan]

Well he did blitz Kaguya and reacted fast enough to not be killed by her... and I'm pretty sure she's faster than Madara.

That was DMS Sharingan Kakashi with Ridoku chskra.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Well he did blitz Kaguya and reacted fast enough to not be killed by her... and I'm pretty sure she's faster than Madara.

That was with rikudo chakra but kakashi really reacted to JJ madara 's flight speed ,many a showed so

Just a question ,is my reply to that post of kidgammer visible !!?

 

[KidGamer65]

Madaras feats were stomping a group of fodders. Beginning part 2 Sasuke stomped 500 fodders with Tai/Kenjutsu, without killing a single one yet the third DB only gave him a 3.5 in that area.

Madara didn't face any competent shinobi in Taijutsu for us to really compare his skills and if all it takes is for someone with a 3.5 to solo 500 fodders then his feat of stomping those dudes isn't as impressive as one may believe.

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So you can't just assume Madara would stomp Kakashi when DB3 ranked him 2 tiers above Sasuke in Taijutsu skill and Madaras feat is similar to Sasukes, actually, Sasukes is better.

I'll give you that point, though I say Madara stomps Kakashi because of overall abilities, as in weapons and Ninjutsu, not because of Taijutsu alone. I don't even recall saying that Madara bests Kakashi in pure Taijutsu now that I actually begin to think about it.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

That was with rikudo chakra but kakashi really reacted to JJ madara 's flight speed ,many a showed so

Just a question ,is my reply to that post of kidgammer visible !!?

There's no proof Rikudo chakra makes him have better speed. Naruto has better speed because of the bijuu mode and Sasuke has some weird pseudo FTG jutsu.

 

[Eng nawashi]

There's no proof Rikudo chakra makes him have better speed. Naruto has better speed because of the bijuu mode and Sasuke has some weird pseudo FTG jutsu.

Ofc , it does , naruto got little more biju chakra compared to kiuybi chakra he used to have when he was still bsm naruto , no way this chakra alone would empower naruto speed to the jiubijins level , even post rikudo chakra sm naruto ( the one that cut the tree down)was so fast though he wasnt using the chakra mode, he wasnt the same guy who was blitzed by blind non sm madara
As for sasuke , even without his teleportation , madara hyped him to be still fast , so it is clear that rikudo empowers thier speed, reflexes,reactions ..etc Just like senjutsu chakra, biju chakra and curse mark chakra ...etc