Kakashi vs Minato

[BenjerminGaye]

^Bee styled on sasuke.... Like Michael Jackson/Tyson/Jordan styled on him. It wasn't pretty.
Guy didn't outright blitz kisame cuz not only did he want him alive, he wanted the info he stole.
You're correct about the itachi oro situation tho. It wasn't a matter of him being to slow to react, but itachi making it near impossible to react via genjutsu.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi's physical speed is far under that of minato.

And Minato had shown to be smarter than him.

Minato smarter thank kakashi?

Oh funny you lol.

 

[EliteKakashi]

^Bee styled on sasuke.... Like Michael Jackson/Tyson/Jordan styled on him. It wasn't pretty.
Guy didn't outright blitz kisame cuz not only did he want him alive, he wanted the info he stole.
You're correct about the itachi oro situation tho. It wasn't a matter of him being to slow to react, but itachi making it near impossible to react via genjutsu.

Bee whipped Sasuke's ass, I'm not doubting that.

He most certainly did not blitz him, though. Sasuke went in to the fight over confident like always and got his ass beat in a straight up fight. Bee didn't use his speed to run up on Sasuke and end it like he's trying to claim Minato is going to do, which is what a blitz is.

And I'm aware of Gai/Kisame's situation. The fact remains that Kisame was never blitzed in a full on fight by Gai, though.

 

[New Dawn]

its sad to know that kakashi is borderline fodder without Obito's eye. I thought he stood a chance. I thought without Obito's sharingan, he could be just as strong as Minato who didn't have any borrowed power.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Minato smarter thank kakashi?

Oh funny you lol.

Minato is the one that figured out the range limit of madara's tsb.
He's the one who got lee, kakashi, and garra to work together to hit madara.

Kakashi sat there.


He also analyzed kamui in mere minutes. It took kakashi multiple run ins to figure it out.




@EliteKakashi: B used his speed to flat out dodge and avoid sasuke's entire squad. And that's b4 he even went v1.It got to the point that karin had to be the one to track B.It's safe to say it was within his ability to blitz him.

Same goes for guy and kisame. Guy did blitz him in part 1 but you can say it was a blindside.

 

[LuckyMan]

@ Elite Kakashi

I was going to quote you and reply the proper way but I was typing a huge post and windows auto rebooted laptop for update and I'm not doing all that again. I'm going to post my main points and how Minato defeats Kakashi.

Reactions/Hand/Movement Speed:

> Throws kunai over V2 Ay so fast we didn't even see it happen.

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> Throws kunai to Madara before Kakashi can complete a Kamui warp, despite Kamui started before it.

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> Reacts fast enough to activate FTG to escape 8G Gai and TSB effect.

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> Moves faster than Tobirama, who is faster than Madara, who is faster than SM Naruto, who is faster than Kakashi.

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These feats blow Kakashi out of the water. Theres nothing in the manga that exists that put his speeds over these feats. Now I know you said Minato was only better in foot speed but I also proved his reactions and hand speeds are better just in case you tried to bring it up in the future since this fight will be decided in CQC.

The only thing Kakashi has going for him (and literally your only argument) is Minato being shocked with a Raiton Bunshin and Kakashi swoops in for the kill. Thats not happening, the Raiton Clone starts to unravel when hit before it shocks anything and with that time Minato can easily react and jump away since he has reacted to things way faster than a Raiton Bunshin unraveling.

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Minato will then make clones of his own and Raiton Bunshins will be ineffective from there on because he'll never catch the real Minato or his clones.

Sharingan Precog? Minatos hand speed is above what Kakashi can react to as feats show. His body movements and reflexes are above Kakashis as feats show. We know Kakashi can't react and evade Susanoo arrows physically even when shot at 20+ meters away but Minato can if he can physical react to something moving way faster than those arrows (V2 Ay) and did it when Ay was centimeters from him, not 20+ meters.

He'll get sliced up and pummeled with pumpkin sized Rasengans back to back. Scenario 2 is a neg difficulty win for Minato even if you try to say "he only has one attack in SM" well thats literally all he needs because Kakashi will be shit blitzed before he can blink and sent blasting away like team rocket with a Rasengan in his chest.

 

[Eng nawashi]

First of all ,I am wael reda but I lost my password so i will be using this account

What the hell I am reading here!!? ,Minato's blitzing kakashi w/o FTG is one of the funniest jokes ,the guy hasn't even a feat makes him faster than kakashi let alone blitzing him

Minato is the one that figured out the range limit of madara's tsb.

Good one but that doesn't mean he is smarter than kakashi ,not to mention that minato fought far longer against jiubi jins .

He's the one who got lee, kakashi, and garra to work together to hit madara.

Nope ,all he did is asking kakashi to warp it ,kakashi said he can't use kamui precisely unless he is close ,minato asked gara to lift kakashi ,Lee complained about being useless,so minato asked him to throw his kunai to make him feel better ,kakashi has made up strategies before that easily surpasses something like that ,I'd say minato is as smart at best

He also analyzed kamui in mere minutes. It took kakashi multiple run ins to figure it out.

All Minato figured out is obito 's need to solidify before warping him ,something that was getting easily deduced by anyone faced obito before ,danzu's bodyguards figured that out

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,kakashi was already knowing that before even starting fighting obito

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What kakashi took time for ,was analysing the intangibility part and how his body parts get sent to the other dimension ,not to mention that kakashi didn't seem to be interested in knowing this ,it just happened that he sent his kunai when obito was phasing through naruto's chakra arm and that made him suspicious so he came up with warping the rasengan strategy to make sure

Reactions/Hand/Movement Speed:

> Throws kunai over V2 Ay so fast we didn't even see it happen. X

I amnot sure if this Ay used his supe speed when he attacked minato the first time but whatever it is arm movements speed feat not shunshin , and going with feats ,kakashi was able to react as fast as KCM minato and moves his arm nearly as fast

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> Throws kunai to Madara before Kakashi can complete a Kamui warp, despite Kamui started before it. X

That isn't what happened at all
-that was a split panel ,all this actions happened at the same time .
- the manga didn't show that minato threw his kunai the moment kakashi used kamui ,but it showed that the kunai hit the ground the moment kakashi used kamui

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,there is a big difference .let's not twist everything here

> Reacts fast enough to activate FTG to escape 8G Gai and TSB effect. X

Wow ,really? ,and let's go this way ,Lee reacted and threw his kunai ,garra reacted and lifted kakashi with his sand ,kakashi reacted and warped the gudoma ,so what exactly are you talking about here? Do you think base minato really can react to 8th gate gai while sm minato and kcm minato's reaction was getting shat on by jiubi jin whose speed is inferior to 8th gate gai !!?Lol
At this moment gai clearly wasn't using any thing near his top speed ,he was nearly moving at the same speed of gudoma

> Moves faster than Tobirama, who is faster than Madara, who is faster than SM Naruto, who is faster than Kakashi. X

This is big one ,when it was ever stated that tobirama's speed(outside the FTg) is faster than Madara's !!? Not to mention that tobirama said "your shunshin is better" ,he was definitely referring to FTG


These feats blow Kakashi out of the water. Theres nothing in the manga that

exists that put his speeds over these feats.

Nope ,you showed noting ,all you did is twisting every scan in order to make it look like an impressive feat for minato ,kakashi has speed feats that put him in minato's speed level like keeping up with v2 jins with sharingan and shared rinningan vision and even being able to land his attack .

Now I know you said Minato was only better in foot speed but I also proved his reactions and hand speeds are better just in case you tried to bring it up in the future since this fight will be decided in CQC.

Again you proved nothing .

Sharingan Precog? Minatos hand speed is above what Kakashi can react to as feats show. His body movements and reflexes are above Kakashis as feats show.

Minato's hand speed!!! ,do you have even twisted manga scans for his hand speed to begin with or this is just is your continuation of the wank !!?Lol

We know Kakashi can't react and evade Susanoo arrows physically even when shot at 20+ meters away but Minato can if he can physical react to something moving way faster than those arrows (V2 Ay) and did it when Ay was centimeters from him, not 20+ meters.

Already countered.also it wasn't centimeters Lol

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[pateuvasiliu]

> Say's Kakashi has better reflexes than Minato.

> Kakashi can't even evade Susanoo arrows.

> Raikage can evade Susanoo arrows.

> Minatos reflexes are better than Raikages.

> Legit.

It's not about reflexes, it's about speed.

Kakashi could avoid Susanoo arrows if he had Raikage's speed. His eyes are fast enough to track them ( Kamui ).

Featwise Minato can't dodge arrows without FTG.

That being said, Minato is faster than Kakashi and has better reflexes.

This becomes a battle of hype, because we've never seen Minato fight without his big guns.

Feat wise Kakashi should win as Minato has no known jutsus outside FTG, Rasengan variants and SM. We don't know squat about Minato's taijutsu, though we do know he's strong enough to cut off Bee's tentacles and fast enough to blitz Obito. Kakashi still has Raikiri which can probably beat any Rasengan Variant Minato has, Raikiri Chain, Lightning Clones and a bunch of other jutsus he used throughout the manga.

The Sharingan should keep him equal to Minato in CQC, despite him being slower. Hell he can copy anything Minato does.

Hype wise Minato should demolish as the databook gives him 3 nature type jutsus, he's a Hokage, he solo'd a war and so on.

Isn't Gamakichi the small toad? He's rather irrelevant, no?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

First of all ,I am wael reda but I lost my password so i will be using this account

What the hell I am reading here!!? ,Minato's blitzing kakashi w/o FTG is one of the funniest jokes ,the guy hasn't even a feat makes him faster than kakashi let alone blitzing him

Good one but that doesn't mean he is smarter than kakashi ,not to mention that minato fought far longer against jiubi jins .


Nope ,all he did is asking kakashi to warp it ,kakashi said he can't use kamui precisely unless he is close ,minato asked gara to lift kakashi ,Lee complained about being useless,so minato asked him to throw his kunai to make him feel better ,kakashi has made up strategies before that easily surpasses something like that ,I'd say minato is as smart at best



All Minato figured out is obito 's need to solidify before warping him ,something that was getting easily deduced by anyone faced obito before ,danzu's bodyguards figured that out

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,kakashi was already knowing that before even starting fighting obito

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What kakashi took time for ,was analysing the intangibility part and how his body parts get sent to the other dimension ,not to mention that kakashi didn't seem to be interested in knowing this ,it just happened that he sent his kunai when obito was phasing through naruto's chakra arm and that made him suspicious so he came up with warping the rasengan strategy to make sure




I amnot sure if this Ay used his supe speed when he attacked minato the first time but whatever it is arm movements speed feat not shunshin , and going with feats ,kakashi was able to react as fast as KCM minato and moves his arm nearly as fast

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That isn't what happened at all
-that was a split panel ,all this actions happened at the same time .
- the manga didn't show that minato threw his kunai the moment kakashi used kamui ,but it showed that the kunai hit the ground the moment kakashi used kamui

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,there is a big difference .let's not twist everything here



Wow ,really? ,and let's go this way ,Lee reacted and threw his kunai ,garra reacted and lifted kakashi with his sand ,kakashi reacted and warped the gudoma ,so what exactly are you talking about here? Do you think base minato really can react to 8th gate gai while sm minato and kcm minato's reaction was getting shat on by jiubi jin whose speed is inferior to 8th gate gai !!?Lol
At this moment gai clearly wasn't using any thing near his top speed ,he was nearly moving at the same speed of gudoma






This is big one ,when it was ever stated that tobirama's speed(outside the FTg) is faster than Madara's !!? Not to mention that tobirama said "your shunshin is better" ,he was definitely referring to FTG


These feats blow Kakashi out of the water. Theres nothing in the manga that
Nope ,you showed noting ,all you did is twisting every scan in order to make it look like an impressive feat for minato ,kakashi has speed feats that put him in minato's speed level like keeping up with v2 jins with sharingan and shared rinningan vision and even being able to land his attack .






Again you proved nothing .



Minato's hand speed!!! ,do you have even twisted manga scans for his hand speed to begin with or this is just is your continuation of the wank !!?Lol




Already countered.also it wasn't centimeters Lol

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Wael reda? You sent me the request? Thought is was someone else. Srry.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Wael reda? You sent me the request? Thought is was someone else. Srry.

It is ok .

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi could avoid Susanoo arrows if he had Raikage's speed. His eyes are fast enough to track them ( Kamui ).

Featwise Minato can't dodge arrows without FTG.

That being said, Minato is faster than Kakashi and has better reflexes.

No.

1. Max speed Ay>Susanoo Arrow.

2. Minato physically and mentally reacted to him.

3. Kakashi failed to physically react to a Susanoo arrow.

Minato is faster and has better reflexes.

 

[super yang]

minato wins both scenes w/o Kurama

 

[Eng nawashi]

No.

1. Max speed Ay>Susanoo Arrow.

Sure

2. Minato physically and mentally reacted to him.

I amont sure if Ay used his super speed when he attacked minato the first time but whatever .minato didn't react physically by evading but by moving his arm ,there is big difference ,and then there is the fact that kakashi reacted and moved his arm as fast as KCM Minato .

3. Kakashi failed to physically react to a Susanoo arrow.

Kakashi failed to reacted physically by evading .no evidence that he couldn't react by moving his arm since there is no reasons to do so .

Wael reda? You sent me the request? Thought is was someone else. Srry

it is OK.

OT :I think kakashi wins the first but minato most likely wins the second.

 

[Dropgun]

Minato puts up a better fight in the first scenario than most would think. Second scenario Minato wins, at an easier rate... But the first I'd say it's a toss up.

1st - Minato 6/10
2nd - Minato 8/10

 

[KidGamer65]

Sure

I amont sure if Ay used his super speed when he attacked minato the first time but whatever .minato didn't react physically by evading but by moving his arm ,there is big difference ,and then there is the fact that kakashi reacted and moved his arm as fast as KCM Minato

He did.

Underlined is irrelevant as I never claimed that he could evade. That's a reaction feat that obliterates Kakashi's.

The rest is irrelevant when clear, in battle feats show that he can't even react as fast as Base Minato let alone KCM Minato.

Kakashi failed to reacted physically by evading .no evidence that he couldn't react by moving his arm since there is no reasons to do so

And there's no proof that he can, so his best feat is mentally reacting to a Susanoo Arrow. That's it. Then there's the fact that mentally reacting to V2 Ay is enough to put his reaction speed above Kakashi's in Base.

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Kakashi's physical speed is far under that of minato.

And Minato had shown to be smarter than him.

Lol Minato smarter then Kakashi? No way, Minato is smart, but Kakashi is as smart if not smarter then Shikamaru and has more battle expierence.
Ot: 1. Kakashi takes this mid/high diff
2. Can go either way tbh

 

[Eng nawashi]

He did.

Whatever .

Underlined is irrelevant as I never claimed that he could evade. That's a reaction feat that obliterates Kakashi's.

But you said minato reacted physically and kakashi couldn't though both of them couldn't evade ,minato was showed to be able to move his arm while kakashi wasn't ,wasn't shown=/= Can't if kakashi other feats imply that he could .

The rest is irrelevant when clear, in battle feats show that he can't even react as fast as Base Minato let alone KCM Minato.

Lo,kakashi reaction was never shown to be less than minato ,it is just your assumption that kakashi couldn't move his arm though there was no reason for kakashi to do so ,kakashi reacted and moved his arm as fast as KCM Minato who was most likely doing his best considering he failed .I got feats ,you only got an assumption that kakashi couldn't move his arm

And there's no proof that he can, so his best feat is mentally reacting to a Susanoo Arrow. That's it. Then there's the fact that mentally reacting to V2 Ay is enough to put his reaction speed above Kakashi's in Base.

No proof he can !!? You must be kidding ,if kakashi could react and move his arm as fast as KCM Minato ,then he can definitely replicate a feat of base minato

Kakashi was also able to react physically (by turning his head behind ) to jin madaras's flight speed from blind side despite being exhausted

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[BenjerminGaye]

Lol Minato smarter then Kakashi? No way, Minato is smart, but Kakashi is as smart if not smarter then Shikamaru and has more battle expierence.
Ot: 1. Kakashi takes this mid/high diff
2. Can go either way tbh

I already addressed that.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Horus ,thanks
Why my posts have to be invisible before getting visible?

 

[Raykyryn]

War arc Kakashi already reacted mentally to JJ Madara and even managed to turn his head around Lol

It surpasses Minatos feats against A no matter how i look at it

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