Kakashi vs Madara without Sharingan powers/Hashirama without haxcells (as individuals

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Remember, Obito essentially lost against Base kakashi. Not even f*cking zabuza lost to base kakashi. Zabuza even beat and smacked around sharingan kakashi but obito, a supposed main anatagonist, gets fodderized? The guy clearly sucks massive balls without kamui crutch. Even Start of shippuuden base naruto and sakura made kakashi use his sharingan and made him sweat. That's just utterly disgraceful.
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What were you saying? Zabuza was only a threat because of his mist. From the moment the mist cleared, Kakashi clearly had the upper hand in taijutsu

Also, Zabuza is to begin with. Seems that with overpowered abilities that we see in the manga, many people underrate basics. Zabuza in terms of physical abilities remains one of the best in this manga

OT: Kakashi obviously wins both scenarios
 

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From both parties? If so then he still beats Hashirama but loses to Madara.

Even if Hashirama can use Doton and Suiton? Even if he has regeneration like Tsunade? a
 

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Even if Hashirama can use Doton and Suiton? Even if he has regeneration like Tsunade? a

Has shown ZERO Doton abilities. ZERO Suiton abilities. Regeneration isn't going to save him when he gets bisected by Kakashi's Lightning Transmission.

Without Mokuton he is left with no Ninjutsu, one worthless Genjutsu, and some weapons. If you think that is enough to beat someone like Kakashi then you are either overrating Hashirama or you are underrating Kakashi.
 

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Has shown ZERO Doton abilities. ZERO Suiton abilities. Regeneration isn't going to save him when he gets bisected by Kakashi's Lightning Transmission.

Without Mokuton he is left with no Ninjutsu, one worthless Genjutsu, and some weapons. If you think that is enough to beat someone like Kakashi then you are either overrating Hashirama or you are underrating Kakashi.
More like the latter. In every Kakashi threads, notice he/she will always say the opponent wins low diff
 

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Has shown ZERO Doton abilities. ZERO Suiton abilities. Regeneration isn't going to save him when he gets bisected by Kakashi's Lightning Transmission.

Without Mokuton he is left with no Ninjutsu, one worthless Genjutsu, and some weapons. If you think that is enough to beat someone like Kakashi then you are either overrating Hashirama or you are underrating Kakashi.

How can Kakashi break his genjutsu when even Hiruzen couldn't, who has 5 in genjutsu?
 

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How can Kakashi break his genjutsu when even Hiruzen couldn't, who has 5 in genjutsu?

Kakashi is already known to have a keen sense of smell, Naruto said it was even better than Kiba's and he is in a clan known for their sharp noses. He can always locate Hashirama using his scent. If he can't do that, his Ninken can do it for him.

Once he gets a hold of Hashirama, its over.
 

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Kakashi still has his Sharingan, Madara isn't beating Kakashi without Sharingan, no way in hell. Hashirama isn't beating Kakashi without Mokuton, as Mokuton is his whole moveset.

He knows seals and Sage Mode too.
 

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dat version of Hiruzen which had almost no chakra and lost to Oro
lol

] Breaking a genjutsu has nothing to do with chakra reserves :|
Yeah, he lost to him because he was WEAK, and Orochimaru was STRONG. And fool, because he underestimated Hiruzen.
 

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He knows seals and Sage Mode too.
which he won't really get the chance to use since wood clones are retricted

OT:If you want to be really accurate, make the location the Kamui dimension, then Hashi can't even use earth style.
 

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] Breaking a genjutsu has nothing to do with chakra reserves :|
Yeah, he lost to him because he was WEAK, and Orochimaru was STRONG. And fool, because he underestimated Hiruzen.

wrong
he lost to him because his strength and chakra reserves highly decreased because of his old age...
even a 60 years old Hiruzen can beat Orochimaru... databook fact...
 

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Kakashi loses both, seeing as how you restrict all 3 to a semi-base form. As agoodboy already said, when it comes to madara, he was killing experienced senju adults as a kid, se he already has experience w/o sharingan plus the insanely powerful katons, some weapons, kakashi stands no chance to even kid madara w/o sharingan.

The hashi situation is similar, with the exception that the OP all out killed hashi's moveset outside of pitiful genjutsu and suiton and doton we havent seen, leaving taijutsu. Its harder since it will only be a hand to hand combat,, but hashi pulls it mid-high diff.

On a sidenote, obito IS pathetic w/o Kamui or all the stuff he implanted (mokuton, rinnegan), as we already saw in the kakashi fight, where both sharingan techs cancelled out each pther, he got beat by kakashi like when they were kids, that just go to show he hasnt made any progress as a fighter since he was 14 years old.
 

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Kakashi looses to madara(madara's fire techs and fan repel). Beats hashi(all hashi's tech involve mukton)
 

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Kakashi loses both, seeing as how you restrict all 3 to a semi-base form. As agoodboy already said, when it comes to madara, he was killing experienced senju adults as a kid, se he already has experience w/o sharingan plus the insanely powerful katons, some weapons, kakashi stands no chance to even kid madara w/o sharingan.

The hashi situation is similar, with the exception that the OP all out killed hashi's moveset outside of pitiful genjutsu and suiton and doton we havent seen, leaving taijutsu. Its harder since it will only be a hand to hand combat,, but hashi pulls it mid-high diff.

On a sidenote, obito IS pathetic w/o Kamui or all the stuff he implanted (mokuton, rinnegan), as we already saw in the kakashi fight, where both sharingan techs cancelled out each pther, he got beat by kakashi like when they were kids, that just go to show he hasnt made any progress as a fighter since he was 14 years old.

Hashi isn't winning with 1 genjutsu to his name. Old hiruzen got through genjutsu though smell. kakashi/niken will do the same. Then its raikiri/raiden/raikiri kunai(doesn't matter if he can't react since hashi cant counter) etc to the neck
 

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Madara owns Kakashi his kenjutsu looks like it was near be level speed is probably kakashi level his katon or the size of boss sommings plus he has his war fan hashirama has great taijutsu and very good with tools as seen in his past kakashi loses he strongest tech here is chidori
 

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You take their special powers away from them, kakashi wins both.
 

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Madara owns Kakashi his kenjutsu looks like it was near be level speed is probably kakashi level his katon or the size of boss sommings plus he has his war fan hashirama has great taijutsu and very good with tools as seen in his past kakashi loses he strongest tech here is chidori

Punctuation, son. Use it.
 
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