Kakashi vs Jiraiya

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Jiraiya obviously loses. Come War Arc Kakashi has a Kamui someone of Jiraiya's speed can't dodge, and he can teleport around the battlefield freely. That along w/ Raikiri, which can pierce through any defense Jiraiya can mount, spells the end for Jiraiya.

He can teleport?

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

No he wouldn't and pain arc isn't war arc.

Deva path can sense build up, and on top of that it was Dava and Asura. the side effects(at the time) would have left him open to the other path.

Lastly, it really isn't We've seen itachi v sasuke. all it is is line of sight, and if you can't escape it you're getting hit.

Pein and kakashi were pretty much the same speed. If it was just los he would be able to keep pein in his sight while using kamui. So yeah that can't be it. Because following that argument kakashi could kamui solo anyone he could follow with his eyes even during war arc

 

[KidGamer65]

He can teleport?

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He teleported into the Kamui dimension on a different part of the battlefield

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and reappeared right on top of Obito in a different location. So yeah, he can teleport.

 

[DHOH]

He has kamui





You guys dont think jirayas speed in sm could give kamui issues

Yea but I think Jiraiya offensive jutsu would be easily counter

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

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He teleported into the Kamui dimension on a different part of the battlefield

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and reappeared right on top of Obito in a different location. So yeah, he can teleport.

Oh that. That's A to B to C thought you meant FTG type.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

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He teleported into the Kamui dimension on a different part of the battlefield

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and reappeared right on top of Obito in a different location. So yeah, he can teleport.

Didnt obito originally teleport him in there though? Well even then he did get out on his own.... did he just figure out how cause he now knew it was obito and they had the same eyes? I didn't really take the teleporting into consideration when I made the thread tbh

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh that. That's A to B to C thought you meant FTG type.

Nah,

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is still a massive advantage and just another reason why Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance of winning.

Didnt obito originally teleport him in there though? Well even then he did get out on his own.... did he just figure out how cause he now knew it was obito and they had the same eyes? I didn't really take the teleporting into consideration when I made the thread tbh

Obito teleported him in there, but yeah like you said it doesn't really matter because Kakashi teleported out. Meaning he's capable of teleporting himself inside. Idk how exactly he knew how to teleport himself, but it's probably just an instinctive thing just like most Dojutsu based techniques. You just bring them out. Doubt it has anything to do with Obito.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Nah,

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is still a massive advantage and just another reason why Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance of winning.



Obito teleported him in there, but yeah like you said it doesn't really matter because Kakashi teleported out. Meaning he's capable of teleporting himself inside. Idk how exactly he knew how to teleport himself, but it's probably just an instinctive thing just like most Dojutsu based techniques. You just bring them out. Doubt it has anything to do with Obito.

Wouldn't sage sensing just let him dodge that? And the kakashi wins argument is dependent on jiraiya not being able to dodge kamui. I still think he does.
Also what do you think about summons escaping kamui dimension. I guess only rinnegan sasuke has done it. But do a summoning then get into the summon and undo the summon. You'd end up wherever the summons come from but at least you'd be on earth.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Pein and kakashi were pretty much the same speed. If it was just los he would be able to keep pein in his sight while using kamui. So yeah that can't be it. Because following that argument kakashi could kamui solo anyone he could follow with his eyes even during war arc

Dude... he wasn't just fighting deva. That's my argument. Even if he taked deva out, he'd be too weak to defend from asura.

And yes, with kamui he can solo anyone he can follow with los. Even during the war. The only problems would be targets too big(and they still get ripped by the kamui barrier) and targets too fast(simply cannot hit them). There's a reason why its restricted in some way or form 99% of the time on VS threads.

Its really a simple kamui gg

could jman detect kakashi about to do kamui by sensing chakra build up in the eye then summoning a toad to block los or a dust cloud.

jman isnt a sensor, even is his imperfect sm.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wouldn't sage sensing just let him dodge that? And the kakashi wins argument is dependent on jiraiya not being able to dodge kamui. I still think he does.
Also what do you think about summons escaping kamui dimension. I guess only rinnegan sasuke has done it. But do a summoning then get into the summon and undo the summon. You'd end up wherever the summons come from but at least you'd be on earth.

With what speed feats? You say he can but Jiraiya doesn't even have any amazing speed feats in SM let alone any that'd let him consistently evade Kakashi's teleportation attacks let alone evade Kamui itself, which is much faster.

Possible ever since Sasuke was able to summon his Hawk from Earth to Kaguya's alternate dimension, but in a battle scenario that leaves the user with no way to get back to the battlefield, thus it's a loss.

 

[Emanthespriggan1234]

Jiraiya shit's.

 

[Antdog]

Base Jiraiya beats Kakashi without to many problems so adding in Sage Mode(if he feels like it) just leads Jiraiya to going to jail for raping Kakashi

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Jiraiya, Shima and Fukasaku are like facing a mini Sannin. It's a close one but Kakashi is not stronger.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Base Jiraiya beats Kakashi without to many problems so adding in Sage Mode(if he feels like it) just leads Jiraiya to going to jail for raping Kakashi

Lol what?

Jiraiya, Shima and Fukasaku are like facing a mini Sannin. It's a close one but Kakashi is not stronger.

Those two need to stand still on his shoulders to be useful, I don't wanna sound redundant so I won't say it, but I'll just say theyre easy targets

 

[Antdog]

Lol what?

Basically Jiraiya is about to rape Kakashi

 

[Icelerate]

With what speed feats? You say he can but Jiraiya doesn't even have any amazing speed feats in SM let alone any that'd let him consistently evade Kakashi's teleportation attacks let alone evade Kamui itself, which is much faster.

Possible ever since Sasuke was able to summon his Hawk from Earth to Kaguya's alternate dimension, but in a battle scenario that leaves the user with no way to get back to the battlefield, thus it's a loss.

I think summoning across dimensions would probably require a massive amount of chakra as evidenced by how so many edo kages were needed on top of how chakra taxing Kaguya's dimension shifts were. Only Sasuke and Hagoromo have shown this feat so I don't think Jiraiya should get it unless kamui dimension is closer to the primary dimension than Kaguya's dimensions are to each other and to the primary dimension.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think summoning across dimensions would probably require a massive amount of chakra as evidenced by how so many edo kages were needed on top of how chakra taxing Kaguya's dimension shifts were. Only Sasuke and Hagoromo have shown this feat so I don't think Jiraiya should get it unless kamui dimension is closer to the primary dimension than Kaguya's dimensions are to each other and to the primary dimension.

The Edo Kage thing is a good point. I can agree with not giving Jiraiya the feat at all, especially since there's no way to tell how far Kamui's dimension is from Earth.

 

[super yang]

jiraiya would definitely win in base.

he can't compete w/ jiraiyas arsenal & would simply be blindsided by a clone, jutsu trap, summon or AoE when forced to resort to kamui

 

[EZQ]

The Edo Kage thing is a good point. I can agree with not giving Jiraiya the feat at all, especially since there's no way to tell how far Kamui's dimension is from Earth.

Black zetsu could sense Naruto and his clones were still alive across dimensions, but got tricked into thinking he died when he went to kamui dimension. So, as long as chakra sensing is concerned, Kamui dimension might be even further than Kaguya's.