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@people saying Kakashi only improved kamui because of kurama's chakra

1- he used 5 kamuis before getting kurama's chakra, and in an exhausted state

2- he warped the gedo mazo's arm with kamui when the chakra cloak had already dissapeared

His kamui improvement is not thanks to kurama's chakra
 

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Itachi low diffs all 3.
Wow
Kakashi can get hit with tsukuyomi.
This distance?
With manga knowledge?
Before kakashi puills out his own MS?

Yata negates kamui
Kamui already showed to be different than the rest of ninjutsu. It can't be negated, since TSB (which is only vulnerable to snejutsu) was still warped away by it. And since it's a mini black hole that spawns, it can't be deflected, lmao.
Kamui =/= normal attack

Amaterasu is also faster than kamui
Kamui's feats are way better.

1- It spawns faster
2- It spawns right at the enemy, it doesn't need to travel an inch
3- The speed of the warping itself is higher than anything amaterasu has showed
 

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Wow

This distance?
With manga knowledge?
Before kakashi puills out his own MS?
he can still get hit with it....don't see your point. And yeah Itachi is more proficient at using MS than Kakashi. If we also give him KA then that ends the fight as well.


Kamui already showed to be different than the rest of ninjutsu. It can't be negated, since TSB (which is only vulnerable to snejutsu) was still warped away by it. And since it's a mini black hole that spawns, it can't be deflected, lmao.
Kamui =/= normal attack
Still classified as ninjutsu and hence negated by Yata, now if he had intangibility that is a different story.


Kamui's feats are way better.

1- It spawns faster
2- It spawns right at the enemy, it doesn't need to travel an inch
3- The speed of the warping itself is higher than anything amaterasu has showed
1. no it doesn't, amaterasu is instant
2. amaterasu can spawn wherever the user wants it too - essentially where they are looking
3. since amaterasu is instant, it will appear on Kakashi before kamui appears on Itachi.
 

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S1: Kakashi ends with Kamui
S2: Kakashi ends with Kamui
S3: Itachi stomps with Genjutsu

Edit: Wait, no. Full intel? Itachi stomps all three scenarios. He's not even letting Kakashi take his time to activate MS or implement Kamui. Either Shunshin and Genjutsu or Susanoo and Totsuka Blade end this...
 
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Well of course not. In the grand scheme of things, the skeleton guy is wrong but he is right about one thing, Amaterasu is faster than Kamui. If Itachi and Kakashi both used MS on a target it would already be inflamed before the Kamui warp is completed.
Amaterasu hasn't been shown to be anywhere near as fast as kamui. Lol
 

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Amaterasu hasn't been shown to be anywhere near as fast as kamui. Lol
This. I'll just copy paste Amaterasu and long range Kamui feats.

Kakashi executes long range Kamui a lot faster than Itachi does with Amaterasu. Kakashi could warp the Amaterasu flames or just warp Itachi's head attacking him with Kamui before he manages to use Amaterasu. Kakashi also knows Amaterasu ("those black flames... so that's Amaterasu" ( )) while Itachi doesn't know shit about Kamui (he only knows that someway Kakashi developed a Mangekyo). Kamui also works faster than Amaterasu to begin with in any case, since it isn't preceded by the eye crying blood like Amaterasu always is, and since the space-time barrier directly appears on the objective ( ), while the black flames travel towards it, albeit quickly ( ) (this is clearly showed when Sasuke partially dodged Itachi's Amaterasu with the flames following him behind and especially when Ei dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu and the flames travelled past his previous location hitting the samurai that was behind Ei himself ( ), showing as they didn't appear on him but travelled towards him). The funniest thing is that if you are hit with Kamui, you lose, because your body gets imprisoned in the other dimension that only Kamui users can enter or leave, or a vital part of your body gets warped away and you die because of the wound; if you are hit with Amaterasu, you still can save youself by removing the flames, sealing them, remove the wounded part and regenerate and so on.

Kakashi has the faster jutsu, uses it faster and has faster reactions (could time his Kamui warp fast enough that Obito wasn't able to notice ( ), could react to a sudden threat on par with Minato ( )( ), reacts to a sudden attack from a Juubi jinchuriki activating and using Kamui ( ) when for example Gaara's automatic sand defense couldn't even activate in time to stop Minato's body hitting poor Gaara).

We're in 2015 (towards the end of the year, actually) and you there are still people that believe that Amaterasu is worth something if compared to Kamui. That's funny.

With a non perfected Kamui, as at the time he couldn't perfectly control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission ( ), Kakashi could have an Akatsuki like Deidara as his ***** ( )( ), warp away Deidara's fast and giant explosion in a second ( ) and then was sure he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu (he said that if Naruto and the others didn't come, he would have used Mangekyo to defend from Kakuzu's attack and defeat him, then having to go to the hospital for some rest because of all the chakra spent ( )). He didn't use Kamui previously against Hidan and Kakuzu or later against Pain because he didn't need that, he was in control of the battle and fending off or cornering the enemy, so no need to ruin his eyesight by using the Mangekyo. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui.

Amaterasu vs Kamui (actually only long range Kamui... so only a part of full Kamui's power lol) well... part 1 Sakura vs 3 eyed Juudara would be a better match up. Kamui is faster. More useful. More haxxed. Nearly uncounterable while the other has been countered in so many ways I forgot, and there are a lot of more other possible counters. Everything Amaterasu can do: Kamui can warp. That should be enough (as I said don't forget that we are talking only about long range Kamui vs Amaterasu; there's phasing Kamui, teleporting Kamui etc so... Kamui as a whole is like thousand times more powerful than Amaterasu; just compare the performance of Dual Mangekyo Sharingan Rikudo Kakashi with all the Kamui powers and Rinnegan Rikudo Sasuke with Amaterasu and Enton powers against Kaguya... Kakashi outperformed his old discipule so much it isn't even funny):

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Some mastered Kamui execution feats (as the 4th databook confirms that Kakashi mastered Kamui by the time of the 4th World War; hence he gained even the ability to teleport himself ( )):

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part (an head sized object) in the same time Obito needs to make it intangible and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto rushing to attack Obito ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3T one ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time ( ), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time ( ); it also was a completely surprise attack that suddenly come out from Gaara's sand wall that blocked Kakashi's LoS ( ).
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with instant space-time summoning jutsu ( ) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it, Minato of all people couldn't even perceived what happened when Kakashi used Kamui on the Gedo Mazo, and had to ask him if he managed to kill it in time). Madara praised the feat and Kakashi's worthy as a doujutsu user.
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's Kamui propelled stakes could hit him even with a point blank shot (before Kamui shooted stake that was hitting BM Naruto could move for more than a couple of cm), managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone ( )( )( ) when actually Kakashi changed his warp from Naruto's Rasengan to his entire body, warping it with such speed and timing that Obito (with full knowledge ( ) and top tier reactions boosted by Mangekyo and Rinnegan eyes) couldn't notice or perceive it. That was when Kakashi was moving fast ( )( ) and wasn't that close to the objective ( ).
- Kakashi with a Kurama chakra supply (that was said to have increased 3x the power of his jutsu) could warp the Hachibi in the Kamui dimension and then re-warp it in the real world, and then finished all the chakra ( )( )( ). Taking on account that Kakashi used also some chakra right before to travel between the Kamui world and the real world, I'd say it is pretty much clear that without any chakra supply he can warp a mass that is slightly bigger than 1/3 of the Hachibi (so also Kamui GG his head or any Bijuu's head with relative ease, with the fast execution shown against the Gedo Mazo... or things like a V4 Susanoo from Itachi).

So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects, faster than people like Rinnegan + MS Obito or Edo Minato can perceive. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's long range Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi. Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui ( ) (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet... it was also stated in the 3rd databook that Shippuden Kakashi was still growing in power and has to completely master his Mangekyo Sharingan ( ) which is what he reached in the time of War Arc as stated by Obito and by the 4th databook) ( )( ) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan (knowing all its powers as he created counters to them together with Gai ( )( )) and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara and not only that but also wielding the Rinnegan:he doesn't even consider that the Rinnegan wielder he is fighting could have used Preta Path to absorb Kamui or Shinra Tensei to repel it, even knowing very well those powers, he states that it was impossible that Kamui could be stopped ( ). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release that nullifies all not senjutsu and not Rikudo enhanced ninjutsu ( )( ). Not even going with DMS Rikudo Kakashi that can use Kamui so fast that it outspeeds Kaguya's S/T ( )( ) that blitzed Rinnegan Rikudo Sasuke ( )( ) and nearly blitzed Rikudo Senjutsu Naruto, both able to casually react to Juubi Madara's Rinbo, but even if that's a wonderful feat it's not that version of Kakashi in the thread. Kamui allows War Arc 1 MS Kakashi to defend from almost all attacks (thanks to his fast reflexes and mastery of the space-time barrier, and also increased chakra capabilities) and especially to have an uncounterable offensive: Kamui GG > your favourite character, by feats, and even by hype and portrayal, anyway.

Out of the long range Kamui usage, Kakashi also showed that he can warp off from the Kamui dimension the things that he warps in, shooting them out as Obito does ( )( ), so he can for example warp away a Bijuu Dama or a Jinton, and then re-warp quickly it and surprise the opponent with his own attack. Kakashi can also warp himself with the ability of teleport anywhere he wants, gaining a really useful ability for surprise attacks and for support purposes ( )( )( ); for example, he can go to the other dimension, focus his chakra, and then use a giant-size Kamui with ease. Or simply have rest and then perform surprise attacks on his opponent.

On the other note. ****ing Edo ****ing Itachi's casting of Amaterasu is slower than Killer Bee ****ing throwing a ****ing sword ( ) that is something dodged with ease by ****ing Fuu in base without Bijuu chakra (she had Rinnegan amped field of vision and Sharingan precognition but the attack was from the back so she could only see it with Rinnegan but not preempt it with Sharingan ( )); and that's after Itachi already prepped Amaterasu and had his eye cry blood. Nagato could sense Itachi charging Amaterasu (no one in the manga sensed Kakashi using long range Kamui... Pain with the Rinnegan could see chakra, he didn't see Kakashi activating Mangekyo, hence charging chakra in his eye, and using Kamui; because Kakashi's execution is too sudden and fast, after he mastered the jutsu he doesn't need to charge anything; Minato and Rinnegan Obito couldn't perceive Kakashi's fastest usage of the long range Kamui) and before it was launched, even after the eye already cried blood, Bee could launch a sword that would have reached Itachi before the Amaterasu flames even started.

As showed, base Killer B can react and throw a sword before Itachi can complete an already started Amaterasu. Hachibi reacted to Amaterasu and physically moved before the flames reached him ( )( ), and the Hachibi is not like a speedster, lol. Hebi Sasuke reacted to Amaterasu and outspeeded it for some time ( )( )( ). Full speed Ei reacted to Amaterasu and dodged it with ease and it's not like Amaterasu seemed that fast ( )( ). Basically everyone and their mother who aren't fodder can react to Amaterasu, most can counter it. Kishimoto made clear which is the best jutsu, when he made Amaterasu countered or shitted on by everyone he had it used on, when he didn't even let Kakashi use Kamui because otherwise it would have been too much an easy win, and instead hyped the jutsu and his skillful usage everytime with great feats and statement. Not to mention that as said long range Kamui is only a power from the many granted from complete Kamui.

Well I don't think I need to say anything else. Feats show clearly how Kamui shits so much on Amaterasu that Itachi trolling Orochimaru is nothing in comparison.

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Well of course not. In the grand scheme of things, the skeleton guy is wrong but he is right about one thing, Amaterasu is faster than Kamui. If Itachi and Kakashi both used MS on a target it would already be inflamed before the Kamui warp is completed.
No way

The warping speed itself is so fast that Obito with rinnegan and sharingan didn't see clearly what happened.

1- Amaterasu travels (hence why Ay could dodge it)
2- Kamui spawns

Once the dimensional barrier opens (which happens faster than point blank susano arrows) the speed which the object is warped is higher than the speed of Amaterasu traveling from point A to point B
 

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No way

The warping speed itself is so fast that Obito with rinnegan and sharingan didn't see clearly what happened.

1- Amaterasu travels (hence why Ay could dodge it)
2- Kamui spawns

Once the dimensional barrier opens (which happens faster than point blank susano arrows) the speed which the object is warped is higher than the speed of Amaterasu traveling from point A to point B
No, Amaterasu does not travel. When have you ever seen Amaterasu chasing people down like bullets? It spawns wherever the iris is looking at. Ay dodging Amaterasu doesn't mean it travels. A move can still spawn but not be instant, like Amaterasu and Kamui.
 

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Ay never dodged it, amaetrasu appeared behind him cause sasuke's vision was off.


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Amaterasu was well within Raikage's proximity.

We already know Amaterasu travels considering Hebi Sasuke managed to react and outrun it for a few seconds and there were lines that indicated Amaterasu's motion as shown here:



How did Hebi Sasuke perceive and outrun something that's instantaneous? That makes absolutely no sense.
 

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This. I'll just copy paste Amaterasu and long range Kamui feats.

Kakashi executes long range Kamui a lot faster than Itachi does with Amaterasu. Kakashi could warp the Amaterasu flames or just warp Itachi's head attacking him with Kamui before he manages to use Amaterasu. Kakashi also knows Amaterasu ("those black flames... so that's Amaterasu" ( )) while Itachi doesn't know shit about Kamui (he only knows that someway Kakashi developed a Mangekyo). Kamui also works faster than Amaterasu to begin with in any case, since it isn't preceded by the eye crying blood like Amaterasu always is, and since the space-time barrier directly appears on the objective ( ), while the black flames travel towards it, albeit quickly ( ) (this is clearly showed when Sasuke partially dodged Itachi's Amaterasu with the flames following him behind and especially when Ei dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu and the flames travelled past his previous location hitting the samurai that was behind Ei himself ( ), showing as they didn't appear on him but travelled towards him). The funniest thing is that if you are hit with Kamui, you lose, because your body gets imprisoned in the other dimension that only Kamui users can enter or leave, or a vital part of your body gets warped away and you die because of the wound; if you are hit with Amaterasu, you still can save youself by removing the flames, sealing them, remove the wounded part and regenerate and so on.

Kakashi has the faster jutsu, uses it faster and has faster reactions (could time his Kamui warp fast enough that Obito wasn't able to notice ( ), could react to a sudden threat on par with Minato ( )( ), reacts to a sudden attack from a Juubi jinchuriki activating and using Kamui ( ) when for example Gaara's automatic sand defense couldn't even activate in time to stop Minato's body hitting poor Gaara).

We're in 2015 (towards the end of the year, actually) and you there are still people that believe that Amaterasu is worth something if compared to Kamui. That's funny.

With a non perfected Kamui, as at the time he couldn't perfectly control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission ( ), Kakashi could have an Akatsuki like Deidara as his ***** ( )( ), warp away Deidara's fast and giant explosion in a second ( ) and then was sure he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu (he said that if Naruto and the others didn't come, he would have used Mangekyo to defend from Kakuzu's attack and defeat him, then having to go to the hospital for some rest because of all the chakra spent ( )). He didn't use Kamui previously against Hidan and Kakuzu or later against Pain because he didn't need that, he was in control of the battle and fending off or cornering the enemy, so no need to ruin his eyesight by using the Mangekyo. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui.

Amaterasu vs Kamui (actually only long range Kamui... so only a part of full Kamui's power lol) well... part 1 Sakura vs 3 eyed Juudara would be a better match up. Kamui is faster. More useful. More haxxed. Nearly uncounterable while the other has been countered in so many ways I forgot, and there are a lot of more other possible counters. Everything Amaterasu can do: Kamui can warp. That should be enough (as I said don't forget that we are talking only about long range Kamui vs Amaterasu; there's phasing Kamui, teleporting Kamui etc so... Kamui as a whole is like thousand times more powerful than Amaterasu; just compare the performance of Dual Mangekyo Sharingan Rikudo Kakashi with all the Kamui powers and Rinnegan Rikudo Sasuke with Amaterasu and Enton powers against Kaguya... Kakashi outperformed his old discipule so much it isn't even funny):

MS Kakashi's Kamui by Madara (chapter 659)

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EMS Sasuke's Amaterasu by Madara (chapter 657)

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Some mastered Kamui execution feats (as the 4th databook confirms that Kakashi mastered Kamui by the time of the 4th World War; hence he gained even the ability to teleport himself ( )):

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part (an head sized object) in the same time Obito needs to make it intangible and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto rushing to attack Obito ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3T one ( )( )
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time ( ), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time ( ); it also was a completely surprise attack that suddenly come out from Gaara's sand wall that blocked Kakashi's LoS ( ).
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with instant space-time summoning jutsu ( ) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it, Minato of all people couldn't even perceived what happened when Kakashi used Kamui on the Gedo Mazo, and had to ask him if he managed to kill it in time). Madara praised the feat and Kakashi's worthy as a doujutsu user.
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's Kamui propelled stakes could hit him even with a point blank shot (before Kamui shooted stake that was hitting BM Naruto could move for more than a couple of cm), managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone ( )( )( ) when actually Kakashi changed his warp from Naruto's Rasengan to his entire body, warping it with such speed and timing that Obito (with full knowledge ( ) and top tier reactions boosted by Mangekyo and Rinnegan eyes) couldn't notice or perceive it. That was when Kakashi was moving fast ( )( ) and wasn't that close to the objective ( ).
- Kakashi with a Kurama chakra supply (that was said to have increased 3x the power of his jutsu) could warp the Hachibi in the Kamui dimension and then re-warp it in the real world, and then finished all the chakra ( )( )( ). Taking on account that Kakashi used also some chakra right before to travel between the Kamui world and the real world, I'd say it is pretty much clear that without any chakra supply he can warp a mass that is slightly bigger than 1/3 of the Hachibi (so also Kamui GG his head or any Bijuu's head with relative ease, with the fast execution shown against the Gedo Mazo... or things like a V4 Susanoo from Itachi).

So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects, faster than people like Rinnegan + MS Obito or Edo Minato can perceive. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's long range Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi. Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui ( ) (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet... it was also stated in the 3rd databook that Shippuden Kakashi was still growing in power and has to completely master his Mangekyo Sharingan ( ) which is what he reached in the time of War Arc as stated by Obito and by the 4th databook) ( )( ) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan (knowing all its powers as he created counters to them together with Gai ( )( )) and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara and not only that but also wielding the Rinnegan:he doesn't even consider that the Rinnegan wielder he is fighting could have used Preta Path to absorb Kamui or Shinra Tensei to repel it, even knowing very well those powers, he states that it was impossible that Kamui could be stopped ( ). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release that nullifies all not senjutsu and not Rikudo enhanced ninjutsu ( )( ). Not even going with DMS Rikudo Kakashi that can use Kamui so fast that it outspeeds Kaguya's S/T ( )( ) that blitzed Rinnegan Rikudo Sasuke ( )( ) and nearly blitzed Rikudo Senjutsu Naruto, both able to casually react to Juubi Madara's Rinbo, but even if that's a wonderful feat it's not that version of Kakashi in the thread. Kamui allows War Arc 1 MS Kakashi to defend from almost all attacks (thanks to his fast reflexes and mastery of the space-time barrier, and also increased chakra capabilities) and especially to have an uncounterable offensive: Kamui GG > your favourite character, by feats, and even by hype and portrayal, anyway.

Out of the long range Kamui usage, Kakashi also showed that he can warp off from the Kamui dimension the things that he warps in, shooting them out as Obito does ( )( ), so he can for example warp away a Bijuu Dama or a Jinton, and then re-warp quickly it and surprise the opponent with his own attack. Kakashi can also warp himself with the ability of teleport anywhere he wants, gaining a really useful ability for surprise attacks and for support purposes ( )( )( ); for example, he can go to the other dimension, focus his chakra, and then use a giant-size Kamui with ease. Or simply have rest and then perform surprise attacks on his opponent.

On the other note. ****ing Edo ****ing Itachi's casting of Amaterasu is slower than Killer Bee ****ing throwing a ****ing sword ( ) that is something dodged with ease by ****ing Fuu in base without Bijuu chakra (she had Rinnegan amped field of vision and Sharingan precognition but the attack was from the back so she could only see it with Rinnegan but not preempt it with Sharingan ( )); and that's after Itachi already prepped Amaterasu and had his eye cry blood. Nagato could sense Itachi charging Amaterasu (no one in the manga sensed Kakashi using long range Kamui... Pain with the Rinnegan could see chakra, he didn't see Kakashi activating Mangekyo, hence charging chakra in his eye, and using Kamui; because Kakashi's execution is too sudden and fast, after he mastered the jutsu he doesn't need to charge anything; Minato and Rinnegan Obito couldn't perceive Kakashi's fastest usage of the long range Kamui) and before it was launched, even after the eye already cried blood, Bee could launch a sword that would have reached Itachi before the Amaterasu flames even started.

As showed, base Killer B can react and throw a sword before Itachi can complete an already started Amaterasu. Hachibi reacted to Amaterasu and physically moved before the flames reached him ( )( ), and the Hachibi is not like a speedster, lol. Hebi Sasuke reacted to Amaterasu and outspeeded it for some time ( )( )( ). Full speed Ei reacted to Amaterasu and dodged it with ease and it's not like Amaterasu seemed that fast ( )( ). Basically everyone and their mother who aren't fodder can react to Amaterasu, most can counter it. Kishimoto made clear which is the best jutsu, when he made Amaterasu countered or shitted on by everyone he had it used on, when he didn't even let Kakashi use Kamui because otherwise it would have been too much an easy win, and instead hyped the jutsu and his skillful usage everytime with great feats and statement. Not to mention that as said long range Kamui is only a power from the many granted from complete Kamui.

Well I don't think I need to say anything else. Feats show clearly how Kamui shits so much on Amaterasu that Itachi trolling Orochimaru is nothing in comparison.

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A Kakashi fanboy living in his own world. Just admite that Kakashi is SHIT to itachi without Rikudous power. You know he is stronger kakashi has said like 20 times itachi is far more supperior than him thats a Psychological advantige for Itachi. ITACHI RAPES.
 

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God, here we go. Amaterasu appeared in front of Raikage. Literally an inch in front of him. He dodged behind the flame. He dodged shit. It happened because of Sasuke's poor line of sight shown through the glass incident. God, every intelligent person I know knows this.

As for the thread, then Itachi is simply far better:

- Better chakra reserves.
- Much much smarter.
- Insanely faster than MS Kakashi of all the people.
- Tsukuyomi.
- Amaterasu being canonically faster than Kamui. It's a matter of quick draw and Kakashi fails here, miserably.
- Kakashi's Kamui was improved because of Kurama's chakra. The guy literally stated so himself when Shikaku asked him.

Itachi wins all without much of any effort.



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Amaterasu was well within Raikage's proximity.

We already know Amaterasu travels considering Hebi Sasuke managed to react and outrun it for a few seconds and there were lines that indicated Amaterasu's motion as shown here:



How did Hebi Sasuke perceive and outrun something that's instantaneous? That makes absolutely no sense.
Amaterasu is NOT a projectile. It follows the line of sight AFTER it appears. Itachi warned Sasuke with clapping and he had a defense, unless you've forgotten.
 
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Amaterasu was well within Raikage's proximity.

We already know Amaterasu travels considering Hebi Sasuke managed to react and outrun it for a few seconds and there were lines that indicated Amaterasu's motion as shown here:



How did Hebi Sasuke perceive and outrun something that's instantaneous? That makes absolutely no sense.
The only thing that makes absolutely no sense is Itachi trying to lose by spawning Amaterasu directly on Sasuke.

What does make sense though is forcing Sasuke to tire himself out by trying to outrun it and waste chakra defending against it.
 

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lml the fanfiction in the vs section

Anyways it takes itachi only a moment to win all 3 of these scenario's

Tsukuyomi will always 1 hit Kakashi

*edit why do people say kamui 1 hits when 9/10 this is itachi's opening jutsu
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