pateuvasiliu
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Well, then his point is wrong.His point is that Itachi takes Kakashi with mid diff.
MS restricted Kakashi shits on Itachi.
If they use MS he simply stomps due to the OPness of Kamui.
Kakashi vs Itachi
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MS restricted Kakashi shits on Itachi.
If they use MS he simply stomps due to the OPness of Kamui.
Typhon Uchiha
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This fight depends on a lot on knowledge.
If kakashi has no knowledge, he is in a genjutsu before the fight has even started.
It will be just like against every other ninja who has tried to kill Itachi.
They do their jutsu, only to find out they're trapped in a genjutsu completely at Itachi's mercy.
If their is full knowledge, both of them drop a Kamui/Amaterasu respectively, and both die.
Or Kakashi kamui's and Itachi's Susanoo's, Yata's mirror may or may not block it, databook contradicts each other.
Susanoo up for defence, he lights up some BBQ Kakashi.
Don't say fatigue issues, this is a full knowledge fight and both will want to hit their respective jutsu off straight away, otherwise they could get insta killed at any moment.
If they don't come out swinging, they die. Simple as that.
If kakashi has no knowledge, he is in a genjutsu before the fight has even started.
It will be just like against every other ninja who has tried to kill Itachi.
They do their jutsu, only to find out they're trapped in a genjutsu completely at Itachi's mercy.
If their is full knowledge, both of them drop a Kamui/Amaterasu respectively, and both die.
Or Kakashi kamui's and Itachi's Susanoo's, Yata's mirror may or may not block it, databook contradicts each other.
Susanoo up for defence, he lights up some BBQ Kakashi.
Don't say fatigue issues, this is a full knowledge fight and both will want to hit their respective jutsu off straight away, otherwise they could get insta killed at any moment.
If they don't come out swinging, they die. Simple as that.
DemonicAvenger
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RikudouMadara
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Imho Itachi wins still one billion times out of one billion. I believe there is no way Kakashi can defeat Itachi. Also....Itachi has already defeated him with little effort. I also believe Itachi is superior minus Sharingan....just my opinion.
This. Neither Susanoo, nor Yata mirror, can help Itachi against Kamui. They are transparent.
As opposed to Amaterasu, Kamui wasn't shown to need a detectable chakra build-up, which gives yet another advantage to Kakashi, the other being that Kamui is faster and instant KO once it hits, while Amaterasu is slower and takes time to kill the target (time Kakashi can use to use Kamui, so in the best case scenario for Itachi, it's a double KO).
Tsukyomi was already mentioned here, so I'll just sum it up again. Not only does Kakashi know everything about Tsukyomi, it's once again inferior to Kamui - while it is an instant KO if it hits, unlike Amaterasu, it requires the target to look in your eyes, while Kamui can be used on enemy's back and it will work just fine.
Kakashi also has better stamina than Itachi, meaning he can use MS more than Itachi can.
Finally, what is left is the comparison of their base skills. I don't think anyone doubts that Kakashi's base skills have increased dramatically since the beginning of the series (using Sharingan for the whole night and barely getting tired, increasing stamina/chakra control, increasing speed, etc).
The fact of the matter is, base Itachi was not able to defeat part 1 Kakashi, otherwise he wouldn't resort to a health-deteriorating technique that is Tsukyomi. If Part I Kakashi = base Itachi, then current base Kakashi > base Itachi.
All in all, I see no way of Itachi winning this one.
Maybe 1 in 10 fights if he gets a lucky shot with Tsukyomi somehow, before Kakashi fires off his Kamui for some reason, but otherwise, not really.
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Umm but's it still something thats in front of him protecting him :| I don't see how Susanoo being see through changes anything in this situation. From what I've seen when Kakashi uses Kamui he doesn't get any objects that are behind what he is using Kamui on.
He can use kamui on anything he sees.
The reason he normally doesn't kamui stuff hidden behind obstacles is that such obstacles are rarely transparent.
Susanoo, however, is.
Kakashi being able to warp WHATEVER HE SEES is confirmed by both common sense and the databooklet:
As long as Kakashi can "gaze at" Itachi (neither Susanoo nor Yata obscures his view), he can use Kamui.
Simple as that.
So you're telling me that Kamui will get through susanoo and still keep going and get sasuke? Hmm i dont know I will see once I get back from school. I don't have much time to elaborate on this right now.