Kakashi vs Itachi

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Don't forget Kakashi improved himself since that time, and is still improving when Itachi is dead, so he can't improve himself again. Anyway, i've already said that Itachi is stronger. I'm not refusing that. I'm only saying that it's not as far as people think usually, but i know i can't convince you with my thoughts since we don't believe the same thing :)

You did no convincing...

Kakashi knows it...

The author knows it....

You know it....

Itachi is way further than Kakashi. What do you have Kakashi doing that Itachi won't stop.
 

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This, is what happens when Itachi is going for a walk, and suddenly kakashi wants to fight him,.. XD
 

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Don't forget Kakashi improved himself since that time, and is still improving when Itachi is dead, so he can't improve himself again. Anyway, i've already said that Itachi is stronger. I'm not refusing that. I'm only saying that it's not as far as people think usually, but i know i can't convince you with my thoughts since we don't believe the same thing :)

Not to further break your heart but just because a strong ninja has died doesnt mean everybody has what it takes to surpass them. What you said can be said about kakashi surpassing sarutobi for example and that isnt happening. He doesnt have what it takes to surpass either itachi or sarutobi who are dead.

May i also say that kakashi will actually decline not improve that is what kakashi fans do not get whenever they say kakashi will get stronger. Im certain ive already proved to you that once you activate the ms you start to go blind whether you use it more often or not, but in kakashi's case since he uses it as a last resort, it will take longer. But regardless he would go blind eventually. In that state he loses kamui, but also the advantages the sharingan gives him, so in actual fact he will get weaker rather than stronger when blindness takes away his 1 sharingan. Also currently in order to be in the big league you need something unique about you, the only thing unique about kakashi is kamui. The other techniques he copies gives him vast knowledge but they are basic techniques, nothing unique about them to further make him strong
 

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You did no convincing...

Kakashi knows it...

The author knows it....

You know it....

Itachi is way further than Kakashi. What do you have Kakashi doing that Itachi won't stop.

Going underground and then a Kamui to the back of the head?
 

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Not to further break your heart but just because a strong ninja has died doesnt mean everybody has what it takes to surpass them. What you said can be said about kakashi surpassing sarutobi for example and that isnt happening. He doesnt have what it takes to surpass either itachi or sarutobi who are dead.

May i also say that kakashi will actually decline not improve that is what kakashi fans do not get whenever they say kakashi will get stronger. Im certain ive already proved to you that once you activate the ms you start to go blind whether you use it more often or not, but in kakashi's case since he uses it as a last resort, it will take longer. But regardless he would go blind eventually. In that state he loses kamui, but also the advantages the sharingan gives him, so in actual fact he will get weaker rather than stronger when blindness takes away his 1 sharingan. Also currently in order to be in the big league you need something unique about you, the only thing unique about kakashi is kamui. The other techniques he copies gives him vast knowledge but they are basic techniques, nothing unique about them to further make him strong

Kakashi's never complained about his eyes so far.
 

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The only way Kakashi has a chance is if he somehow get the EMS which is not happening but Kishi somehow gave Kakashi a MS so an EMS is not too unlikely.

Sick Itachi beats kakashi with mid difficulty. Regular Itachi or EMS Sasuke beat Kakashi low difficulty. On the other hand, Kakashi in base can beat Sasuke in base but not Itachi in base.
 

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Even Kakashi would vote Itachi. Kakashi just shouldn't be put in fights with Uchiha, Kakashi arguments tend to rely on MS techs as much as natural uchiha arguments but Kakashi's takes a heavier toll on him and he only has one, he also hasnt had it nearly as long, trying to use sharingan techs on Itachi is essentially suicide, thoes who argue for kakashi should let him use sharingan to PROTECT himself as much as he can against genjutsu, and use other techs for offense. just IMO.
 

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Would that really work on him who always turns into crows before people eyes.

I think that prob work on some level fighter but not Itachi.

Why not, he's already surprised Itachi with an underground attack before(30% Itachi)
 

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Not to further break your heart but just because a strong ninja has died doesnt mean everybody has what it takes to surpass them. What you said can be said about kakashi surpassing sarutobi for example and that isnt happening. He doesnt have what it takes to surpass either itachi or sarutobi who are dead.

May i also say that kakashi will actually decline not improve that is what kakashi fans do not get whenever they say kakashi will get stronger. Im certain ive already proved to you that once you activate the ms you start to go blind whether you use it more often or not, but in kakashi's case since he uses it as a last resort, it will take longer. But regardless he would go blind eventually. In that state he loses kamui, but also the advantages the sharingan gives him, so in actual fact he will get weaker rather than stronger when blindness takes away his 1 sharingan. Also currently in order to be in the big league you need something unique about you, the only thing unique about kakashi is kamui. The other techniques he copies gives him vast knowledge but they are basic techniques, nothing unique about them to further make him strong
I personally don't think he will lose his MS in the manga. His sharingan is really symbolic at least for the manga. I don't see Kishimoto actually make him lose his sharingan in this manga. Either he will die before it goes blind, or kishi will actually make/say something so that he won't lose it. Maybe he will tell that it doesn't work the same with non-Uchihas? Or somehow he will give him EMS(but i don't see it happening).

Don't also forget Itachi actually had his MS since 8years or more before going blind, so he already had time to master it. It's why he has much more experience using it. Kakashi looking how rarely he uses his MS can actually also have it during 8years or more at least, so that gives him time to improve with it. The difference with Sasuke is that he already knew he could spamm his MS techniques without problems since he already had Itachis eyes he could change when he wants, but Kakashi doesn't have another MS to exchange with and he knows that more you use MS, more it goes blind since he said that to Itachi, so it's also a reason why he doesn't want to use it much more often.
 

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May i also say that kakashi will actually decline not improve that is what kakashi fans do not get whenever they say kakashi will get stronger. Im certain ive already proved to you that once you activate the ms you start to go blind whether you use it more often or not, but in kakashi's case since he uses it as a last resort, it will take longer. But regardless he would go blind eventually. In that state he loses kamui, but also the advantages the sharingan gives him, so in actual fact he will get weaker rather than stronger when blindness takes away his 1 sharingan. Also currently in order to be in the big league you need something unique about you, the only thing unique about kakashi is kamui. The other techniques he copies gives him vast knowledge but they are basic techniques, nothing unique about them to further make him strong

While I agree with everything else you've said in this topic, I disagree with this.

I don't know if Kakashi will ever get much stronger than he is at this current point, but I doubt he goes on a rapid decline, because I think, as he's shown now, he will not use kamui unless he or his teammates are about to die, which I think will keep his vision well through his "prime". He's shown since the Pain Rapes Konoha arc, he's trained vigorously to improve his stamina, in order to allow him to use everything other than his mangekyou sharingan to fight with.

He's strictly relying on his ninjutsu and intelligence to win fights now, as he showed vs Deva and Asura, when he had the fight won using just those before backup arrived.

Kakashi is far too intelligent to let himself go blind quickly by spamming the MS.
 

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kakashis improved both precision and stamina drastically each time we see him. he physically went up against more than one v2 bijuu. he can use kamui three times without collapsing.
its all a matter of who can hit the other first in the face. itachis amaterasu or kakashis kamui. if kamui hits the neck, amaterasu will also be sucked up by a second kamui and kakashi will live. if it doesnt and the fight continues, it should go on for some time with lots of bunshin feints and kakashi trying to get an opportunity to warp itachi or hit him with raiton bunshin paralysis.
 

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Still Itachi, and at this point in the series I think it will always be Itachi.
 

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kakashi is on his way surpassing his dad! it was said that sakumo>sanin


jiraiya >= itachi
orochimaru ? itachi (i dont know why orochimaru use his edo maybe he dont have one that time)
tsunade<itachi
he got chance!
 

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Thats the most fuc** up logic i have ever seen !

people saying kakashi will win because he "improved" and knew how tobi S/T WORKS ,?when he saw it so many time ?

hh bit** please, itachi discovered CT's weakness under the pressure and a second after he saw it

itachi > kakashi
anytime
accept it and deal with it

did not kakashi saw through tobis spacetime weakness? the one itachi failed to realized for YEARS ALONG WITH HIM in the akatsuki. :sy: kakashi>itachi in intelligence
 

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Itachi he's raped Kakashi in Tsukuyomi again
 
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