Kakashi vs hokage 3

[nkiev1]

Kakashi with sharingan..no MS

Hokage 3 condition is like when he fought oro..

Who win?

 

[Lyke]

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Believe in the Hype!

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. Ability in all Five Nature Alterations, Ability in all Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, Ability in all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. His title of Professor is no joke, hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

5 Elements - Not even his full power???

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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery that it was even capable of stalemating the Buddha Statue while the 5 Kage couldn't. Just imagine his Prime.

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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals = The use of the Ino–Shika–Chō at will with Kage Bunshin

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Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hiruzen utilizing the Inuzuka Clan's ability of an enhanced sense of smell to catch the 2 Hokage in complete darkness.

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Sarutobi Clan
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal

OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

Also, when Enma is transformed into Diamond Shifting Staff, it is also possible that he can attack out of his own free will, his claws and fangs add an element of surprise and irregularity. Forged in the fire of battle, its at-will transformation-based attack and defense go beyond the scope of proficiency, to attain the realm of Shinobi "godhood".

-The main method of attack consists in strikes and thrusts that take advantage of its extensibility. The hardness of diamond translates into destructive power.

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自在に変幻する堅固なる獄！！
A solid prison that changes shape at will!!


After transforming himself into an adamantium staff, Enma clones himself in staff form then boxes the enemy into a lattice.

The prison wall with the toughness of adamantium cannot possibly be broken, and the captured enemy is left with nothing but the humility of defeat.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???

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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.

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Dangerous CQC

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]Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.

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Further Hype and Testimonials

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Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.

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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.

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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.

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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.

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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.

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Extra Databook Hype

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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[TheEvilOne]

Kakashi mid-high difficulty.
Hiruzen defeats sharinganless Kakashi tho.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

So pretty much pt 1 kakashi vs hiruzen who fought oro and 2 edo kages..... hah

 

[BenjerminGaye]

i'd give it to kakashi. Old hiruzen ain't shit.

 

[Amenotejikara]

it could go either way tbh

 

[EliteKakashi]

So pretty much pt 1 kakashi vs hiruzen who fought oro and 2 edo kages..... hah

Except not at all considering War Arc Kakashi had 100x the stamina part 1 Kakashi did and he showed far more techniques in part 2 than part 1.

 

[Booker]

If this is War Arc Kakashi, he wins even without MS. At least against a heavily nerfed Part 1 Hiruzen. Give Hiruzen his Part 2 feats and hype and this would be a better match, if not a stomp in Hiruzen's favor.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If this is War Arc Kakashi, he wins even without MS. At least against a heavily nerfed Part 1 Hiruzen. Give Hiruzen his Part 2 feats and hype and this would be a better match, if not a stomp in Hiruzen's favor.

you can give him his part 2 feats that still won't change his part 1 chakra levels. he may gain access to more powerful elemental techs, but his close usage is still limited to 2-3 at best.

 

[Booker]

you can give him his part 2 feats that still won't change his part 1 chakra levels. he may gain access to more powerful elemental techs, but his close usage is still limited to 2-3 at best.

The problem is that we have to guess how much edo form boosted Hiruzen compared to his Part 1 self. Part of Hiruzen's Part 1 power is just that the power creep hadn't reached very far yet (even tailed beasts were pathetic compared to now). That's why giving Part 1 Hiruzen his Part 2 feats is weird, because we don't know how his chakra would scale too.

 

[EliteKakashi]

It's also worth noting Hiruzen wasn't even going all out in his fight vs Oro either, as noted by Enma.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The problem is that we have to guess how much edo form boosted Hiruzen compared to his Part 1 self. Part of Hiruzen's Part 1 power is just that the power creep hadn't reached very far yet (even tailed beasts were pathetic compared to now). That's why giving Part 1 Hiruzen his Part 2 feats is weird, because we don't know how his chakra would scale too.

It's also worth noting Hiruzen wasn't even going all out in his fight vs Oro either, as noted by Enma.

that is true, even so, i dont see him replicating the feat he did against the wood golem at that age alive. and when you consider how hard tobirama/hashirama was sandbagged (no ftg for christs sake) the whole "holding back" kinda goes both ways.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hiruzen can do everything done in part 2. The context of his fight with Oro was that Hiruzen's bodyguards were concern that things might go wrong if he were to use Shadow Clones. Even Hiruzen though so, as he acknowledge the feats of fighting an Edo Tensei via undying body and unlimited chakra. And at the end of the day he had no choice and end up using it anyway.

That shouldnt be taken out of context in every scenario he has to fight.

That said, Hiruzen wins.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hiruzen can do everything done in part 2. The context of his fight with Oro was that Hiruzen's bodyguards were concern that things might go wrong if he were to use Shadow Clones. Even Hiruzen though so, as he acknowledge the feats of fighting an Edo Tensei via undying body and unlimited chakra. And at the end of the day he had no choice and end up using it anyway.

That shouldnt be taken out of context in every scenario he has to fight.

That said, Hiruzen wins.

Nope, they blamed it on age, even with the given situation. and even before he used shadow clones he became out of breath.

Only when he opted to throw his life away did use clones immediately followed by reaper death, and even then none of the 3 opted to use any jutsu whatsoever.

he doesn't get to magically use all 5 elements all at once now, its and edo feat.
its like saying alive and edo itachi anre 1 and the same.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope, they blamed it on age, even with the given situation. and even before he used shadow clones he became out of breath.

Only when he opted to throw his life away did use clones immediately followed by reaper death, and even then none of the 3 opted to use any jutsu whatsoever.

he doesn't get to magically use all 5 elements all at once now, its and edo feat.
its like saying alive and edo itachi anre 1 and the same.

He was almost of of breath but it was more of a stamina issue. He was still able to drag his fight and still cast ninjutsu. Anyway one can argue Kakashi can outlast, in which I can agree on. And one can argue Hiruzen taking him out before he tires out.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is no version of Kakashi in this Manga without the power of the MS that can take on Hiruzen and win. Hiruzen mid diffs him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He was almost of of breath but it was more of a stamina issue. He was still able to drag his fight and still cast ninjutsu. Anyway one can argue Kakashi can outlast, in which I can agree on. And one can argue Hiruzen taking him out before he tires out.

stamina and chakra are 1 and the same -_- don't pull up the part 1 scan of them being different cuz that was retconned already and no longer applies.

im not arguing kakashi outlasts. Im saying hiruzen aint doing this:

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or summoning 4 clones at once while alive and old as fck.

old hiruzen and kakashi have the same chakra rating and even then kakashi knows not to go past 1 while alive. As ive said before hiruzen only opted to use multiple clones when his life no longer became a factor.

I have no problems giving him the techs, but giving him extra edo chakra is where i draw the line.

I reread the fight, dragon flame bomb, shuriken shadow clone , earth wall, and enma summon tired him out.

 

[TheEvilOne]

There is no version of Kakashi in this Manga without the power of the MS that can take on Hiruzen and win. Hiruzen mid diffs him.

Still riding on the old geezer's d1ck I see.

 

[KidGamer65]

Still riding on the old geezer's d1ck I see.

No, but I see you're still as retarded as you've always been. :lol

 

[TheEvilOne]

Yes, and I'm still as retarded as I've always been. :lol

Don't worry dude, I like you anyway =D