Kakashi vs Hiruzen

[EZQ]

The dude kept up with Tobirama in shunshin, mastered all five elements, is fending off an opponent the Gokage got merked too, and his experience dwarfs anyone on the field. Spiral Zetsu was literally making shit jokes at the Gokage and Hiruzen is the only one that can stand up to him bar Tobirama, Minato, Hashirama, Naruto, Madara, and Sasuke.

But to each his own.

Dude the gokage have no stamina left, Hiruzen is an Edo, you can clearly see that when Ay cuts one of the buddhas arm but fails to cut the second one, he can't keep fighting, the same happens with Mei.

Edo Ay for example would also be doing a great job, but he is alive and his stamina is not infinite.

Also, Current Kakashi without Kamui would stand up pretty well against the mini buddha.

 

[Ebisu]

What do you mean? I never said Hiruzen was shit as a character. I just never wanked on him as much as I do Ebisu or Tobirama. Edo Hiruzen is being portrayed to be above the Gokage right now.

Hey where the **** did I come in here from I hate ebisu.

 

[EZQ]

Old or Prime Hiruzen? Prime would likely win but old would lose

What's "prime hiruzen" ?? I would say its the same as Old Hiruzen but without the weight of his old age, so Prime Hiruzen would be the closest thing to Edo Hiruzen, and Edo Hiruzen aint beating kakashi with this feats.

 

[Draegod]

What do you mean? I never said Hiruzen was shit as a character. I just never wanked on him as much as I do Ebisu or Tobirama. Edo Hiruzen is being portrayed to be above the Gokage right now.

YOU sure or am i thinking of another Tobirama Avi user. Ehh either way he is mor ethen capable of hanging with kakashi who's stamina isn't that much better then Hiruzens anyway. And do ppl really think Hiruzen is dumb and kakashi is smarter?

 

[Penguin]

YOU sure or am i thinking of another Tobirama Avi user. Ehh either way he is mor ethen capable of hanging with kakashi who's stamina isn't that much better then Hiruzens anyway. And do ppl really think Hiruzen is dumb and kakashi is smarter?

You must be thinking of someone else. I really don't dislike any character. >_>

 

[miromiro]

Okay, let's get this started.

How is Hiruzen winning? Kakashi has the advantage on speed and is smarter. He has better taijutsu feats and can easely counter the elemental atacks.

Reaper Death Seal. Have Kakashi copy that.

 

[EZQ]

YOU sure or am i thinking of another Tobirama Avi user. Ehh either way he is mor ethen capable of hanging with kakashi who's stamina isn't that much better then Hiruzens anyway. And do ppl really think Hiruzen is dumb and kakashi is smarter?

Hiruzen is not dumb, Kakashi is just smarter

 

[EZQ]

Reaper Death Seal. Have Kakashi copy that.

Weak argument, Hiruzen ain't grabbing Kakashi at his current speed.

 

[Draegod]

Hiruzen is not dumb, Kakashi is just smarter

Based off what? Screen time? With that Logic he is also smarter then Minato/Tobirama them as well correct?

 

[sharingansennin]

until Hiruzen shows some OP Jutsu, Kakashi more speed, 3T sharingan precognition, more versatile(techincally Hiruzen has all Konoha Jutsu, but i'd like to see it)

 

[EZQ]

Based off what? Screen time? With that Logic he is also smarter then Minato/Tobirama them as well correct?

Based on feats, Kakashi outsmarted Obito, Itachi, Zabuza and Edo Zabuza, Pain and some more good anallisis feats, while Hiruzen showed a pretty good anallysis feat against Juubito, but not enough to put him on Kakashi's level.

Kakashi is smarter than Hiruzen, that's all

 

[Draegod]

Based on feats, Kakashi outsmarted Obito, Itachi, Zabuza and Edo Zabuza, Pain and some more good anallisis feats, while Hiruzen showed a pretty good anallysis feat against Juubito, but not enough to put him on Kakashi's level.

Kakashi is smarter than Hiruzen, that's all

So basically based off of screen time... Lived through 3 wars against 5 great nations and multiple kage reigns yet lived and reigned supreme! Led 3 Sannin and other legends.. Hailed as the professor for his knowledge.. Manga has him over Kakashi but since his screen time is minimal to none kakashi wins by default to you basically.

Against Obito he had 3 kage level ninjas help him out plus he had the only counter, so i wouldn't count that. Itachi 30% clone was a simple trick any ninja with a brain can do "1vs1 is a no no, 2vs1 is what should go" logic against an Uchiha, and even then he had a team. Zabuza is iffy, but i'll give you that one. Edo Zabuza was mindless and had a platoon, def do not count.

Overall he is smart true, but Based off hype and past records Hiruzen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kakashi no doubt! But Too each his own I suppose.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Okay, let's get this started.

How is Hiruzen winning? Kakashi has the advantage on speed and is smarter. He has better taijutsu feats and can easely counter the elemental atacks.

Speed? Hiruzen kept up with Tobirama.
Smarter? Deduced the workings of Omnymoudon.

Is better Taijutsu going to save him from having his skull caved in from Enma?

Counter elemental attacks? Lmao, I'd love to hear how.

 

[miromiro]

Weak argument, Hiruzen ain't grabbing Kakashi at his current speed.

I haven't really seen much of Kakashi's speed to be honest. It won't be hard to incapacitate Kakashi with Enma.

 

[Takos]

I haven't really seen much of Kakashi's speed to be honest. It won't be hard to incapacitate Kakashi with Enma.

While we don't know about speed alone, Kakashi has the combination of speed + reflexes on Minato's level (of course not counting FTG), as shown when they both leaped in to attack Black Zetsu. He was never a slowpoke, though, so it's hardly a surprise. Plus, it's logical he would have better reflexes, as he possesses the Sharingan.

 

[Draegod]

While we don't know about speed alone, Kakashi has the combination of speed + reflexes on Minato's level (of course not counting FTG), as shown when they both leaped in to attack Black Zetsu. He was never a slowpoke, though, so it's hardly a surprise.

Yea the man is fast, but Hiruzen has shown speed feats just as good to make it irrelevant (old age btw).

 

[EZQ]

I haven't really seen much of Kakashi's speed to be honest. It won't be hard to incapacitate Kakashi with Enma.

He kept up with 4 v2 jins at the same time, v2 jins are faster than Hiruzen.

 

[miromiro]

While we don't know about speed alone, Kakashi has the combination of speed + reflexes on Minato's level (of course not counting FTG), as shown when they both leaped in to attack Black Zetsu. He was never a slowpoke, though, so it's hardly a surprise. Plus, it's logical he would have better reflexes, as he possesses the Sharingan.

He kept up with 4 v2 jins at the same time, v2 jins are faster than Hiruzen.

Even if he's faster than Hiruzen, he could simply trap Kakashi in an Enma prison. Hiruzen's chakra surpasses Kakashi's. If he attacks Kakashi at the same time with all five elements, there's no way out for him. While he does that, even if Kakashi can counter all attacks, Enma would come from behind and trap Kakashi, then follow up with the Reaper Death Seal.

 

[wael reda]

Even if he's faster than Hiruzen, he could simply trap Kakashi in an Enma prison. Hiruzen's chakra surpasses Kakashi's. If he attacks Kakashi at the same time with all five elements, there's no way out for him. While he does that, even if Kakashi can counter all attacks, Enma would come from behind and trap Kakashi, then follow up with the Reaper Death Seal.

i remember enma saying that kusongai sword is sore to him(hiruzen vs oro part 1)
this kusongai couldnt go through v2 jin(oro vs naruto )
while kakashi lightening chain was able to cut v2 jin arms easily
so kakashis lightening techs(raiki and its shaps) can cut enma easily too,simple math

 

[Draegod]

i remember enma saying that kusongai sword is sore to him(hiruzen vs oro part 1)
this kusongai couldnt go through v2 jin(oro vs naruto )
while kakashi lightening chain was able to cut v2 jin arms easily
so kakashis lightening techs(raiki and its shaps) can cut enma easily too,simple math

Not even close it's sad..