Kakashi vs Hiruzen

[Redemption]

When he uses reaper death seal, he already sacrifice his life shadow clone or not

well..when he fought oro+1st and 2nd as edo he used the reaper death seal on all 3 of them with the aid of 2 shadow clones...not really sure if he dies in case a shadow clone uses RDS...i think it would be more on the lines of losing a part of his soul...

 

[sWAy253]

Well we all know that Hiruzen wouldn't use rds unless it came down to it, honestly, if Kakashi can't use his ms then Hiruzen shouldn't use rds. Kakashi has gotten alot stronger since Hiruzen died, then again Hiruzen is considered the god shinobi. Kakashi is my favorite character but I think Hiruzen would still win, if he is in his prime. If he is not in his prime then I would say Kakashi.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Old or prime, if Prime, then why on earth are you restricting Kamui.

Kamui should not have been restricted either way

 

[Cerox0]

Hiruzen is too overpowred by fanboys, but he takes this.

Lol this made me laugh. +Rep

 

[Bogard]

Don't forget the location. He can use powerful suiton jutsus like we've seen against Zabuza

 

[Houssem]

the old man has fanboys? really bro.

Yep people like you who say using a clone + reaper seal means no death.
You mad bro ?
You are a fanboy admit it, accept it, embarrass it and live with it :shrug: xd

 

[MetalDuck]

I'm new here, and I don't understand why people use fanboy as an insult? Anyone care to explain, because I am clearly missing something... What's wrong with being a fan of a certain character? I'm a fan of MOST of the characters in this anime/manga.

 

[Houssem]

I'm new here, and I don't understand why people use fanboy as an insult? Anyone care to explain, because I am clearly missing something... What's wrong with being a fan of a certain character? I'm a fan of MOST of the characters in this anime/manga.

Allow me to answer you, i'love most of the characters too ( my signature shows it ), the difference between a fan and a fanboy is , that as a fan im logic , if someone tells me Kabuto > Minato i say yes.
Fanboys will say Kiba > Edo madara :shrug: WTF

 

[Owarij]

Don't forget the location. He can use powerful suiton jutsus like we've seen against Zabuza

Suiton is nothing against hiruzen, too wide variety of jutsu.. Tobirama's suiton was countered by his earth release.
Hiruzen wins this

 

[youralltrolls]

Hiruzen is too overpowred by fanboys, but he takes this.

So by stating what the manga states he's overpowered by fanboys? It was said he was the strongest hokage konoha ever had, the strongest kage when he died, and the god of shinobi in his prime. Kishi already decided to make him the best, in an interview he said that minato and hiruzen tie for the strongest ninja in the naruto universe. Check the wikia and google search his interviews.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Kakashi could never win.

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He could not even compare with Oro, and the 3rd would have beat oro if not for edo.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

the fact you restricted kakashi proves hes more powerful than hiruzen.
hes in a huge advantageous location and considering his current chakra levels he will be making some giant water waves.

1 shadow clone
1 reaper death seal
Kakashi can neither defend or evade this, his only hope is to retrea

if hiruzen has to murder himself just to take kakashi down then kakashi is more powerful than he is. he used it on the edo hokages because they were edos.

So much more experience and knowledge.

so what? seriously so what? kakahsi still wins no matter how much hiruzen knows

Cuz the jutsu is too overpowered, and i don't want to hear some people say. Kakashi will kamui him and it's over.

well now people are saying one death god and its over. so why not restrict that? its not overpowered any more than what people make prime hiruzen out to be.

Hiruzen, the man was said to be the strongest of the 5 kage in his time

so? that was by kabuto who claims hes invincible and cant lose any fight

he took on Oro and 2 Edo hokage.

and got his ass handed to him big time. only reason he wasnt massacred is because it wasnt real shodai and nidaime and oro was toying around

Hiruzen was stated to know like every techinque in the village, right?

another example of hyperbole. to counter that, kakashi knows a thousand jutsu via sharingan

I think he is just way too experienced for Kakashi to stand a chance.

when has experience overpowered skill intelligence and power? shikamaru beat hidan. naruto and kakashi beat kakuzu.

Suiton is nothing against hiruzen, too wide variety of jutsu

kakashi is the king of variety. hiruzens arsenal is garbage. his doton sucks compared to kakashis dog statue. his katons suck next to kakashis suiton. and the rest sucks compared to raikiri and lighting clones

Tobirama's suiton was countered by his earth release.

kakashi is a master of earth release.

Hiruzen wins this

no he has no way of doing this. at all

So by stating what the manga states he's overpowered by fanboys? It was said he was the strongest hokage konoha ever had, the strongest kage when he died, and the god of shinobi in his prime

all of that is in part 1 and has been endlessly contradicted by part 2. dan said only hashirmaa can fight madara, not hiruzen. minato was unsurpassable, not hiruzen. pain was unbeatable, not hiruzen. and we all know theres no way hes the strongest hokage when minato exists. how can he land a hit on minato? he cant.

Kishi already decided to make him the best, in an interview he said that minato and hiruzen tie for the strongest ninja in the naruto universe. Check the wikia and google search his interviews.

all i see is confirmed fake everywhere. its really sad when you resort to fake crap for your arguments

Kakashi could never win.

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He could not even compare with Oro

sigh...so we have become this desperate then? that was PART FREAKING ONE. kakashi stated he trained in the timeskip and every fight hes had since then has proven hes improved at a drastic rate every time we see him. kakashi is most importantly still young. by the time hes 40 he could be hashirama senju level. right now hes soloing swordsmen, holding off bijuus, and even took on the two most powerful pains by himself. pain respected kakashi so much that he vowed he had to kill him then and there or hed become a real threat later. pain knew the truth.

 

[Houssem]

So by stating what the manga states he's overpowered by fanboys? It was said he was the strongest hokage konoha ever had, the strongest kage when he died, and the god of shinobi in his prime. Kishi already decided to make him the best, in an interview he said that minato and hiruzen tie for the strongest ninja in the naruto universe. Check the wikia and google search his interviews.

Fanboys never believe manga, + get you facts right and read manga before talking, hiruzen prime aint shit ( even nagato was called god and he have been defeated ) , and hiruzen himself said he wasnt a match for minato, as for that interview some say its fake some say it's true.
SO OFFICIALLY : you are a fanboy boy too :shrug: Congrats, embarrass it accept it, live with it it's who you are :shrug:
( Hiruzen still takes this )

 

[Houssem]

Suiton is nothing against hiruzen, too wide variety of jutsu.. Tobirama's suiton was countered by his earth release.
Hiruzen wins this

Never bring variety against kakashi , it's not a good argument ( hiruzen elementals wont work against kakashi, since hiruzens katon was stopped by tobirama's katon without a nearby water source. + kakashi too masters over 1000 jutsu's ) .
But the end is obvious Hiruzen > kakashi
P.S sorry for the double post ^^

 

[youralltrolls]

Fanboys never believe manga, + get you facts right and read manga before talking, hiruzen prime aint shit ( even nagato was called god and he have been defeated ) , and hiruzen himself said he wasnt a match for minato, as for that interview some say its fake some say it's true.
SO OFFICIALLY : you are a fanboy boy too :shrug: Congrats, embarrass it accept it, live with it it's who you are :shrug:
( Hiruzen still takes this )

I'd post links but you clearly haven't read the manga. Stating facts isn't being a fanboy buddy. The manga clearly states he was the strongest hokage konoha ever had, he was the strongest hokage of his era, and was the God of Shinobi in his prime. The only other shinobi to share his nickname was the sage of six paths. Nagato was a self proclaimed "God", hiruzens official titles were the professor and God of Shinobi. You are a troll too. Congrats, embarass it, accept it, live with it, it's who you are.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

The manga clearly states he was the strongest hokage konoha ever had

5 freaking years ago. get it? kishis changed his mind. in part 2, hashirama and minato are superior once we found out what they were capable of.

and was the God of Shinobi in his prime. The only other shinobi to share his nickname was the sage of six paths

actually pain and edo madara have both been named as gods.he was CALLED god of shinobi but obviously thats cos he was just strong. theres no suggestion he actually was that good because kishi has not seen fit to show us like he showed us minato and 3rd raikage and madara. as i said before kishi can change his mind whenever he wants and right now hiruzen is looking less and less impressive the more kishi forgets about him.

Nagato was a self proclaimed "God",

no. all of amekagure admired him as an unbeatable god handing out judgement

 

[youralltrolls]

his doton sucks compared to kakashis dog statue. his katons suck next to kakashis suiton.

That's hilarious please tell me more of how hiruzens earth wall which was significantly bigger then kakashi's is worse then kakashi's. In fact hiruzens katon is probably on the same level as madaras. The fire jutsu he used against both hashirama and tobirama require chakra to be kneaded into it so he can control the dragon being shot out. Read the manga and check the wikia. Also read the 2nd databook page 205 if you think hiruzens fire release isn't better then the average uchiha's.


all of that is in part 1 and has been endlessly contradicted by part 2. dan said only hashirmaa can fight madara, not hiruzen. minato was unsurpassable, not hiruzen. pain was unbeatable, not hiruzen. and we all know theres no way hes the strongest hokage when minato exists. how can he land a hit on minato? he cant.

How again does this refute the fact that he shares the same nick name as the sage of six paths, was stated to be konohas strongest hokage, and was stated to be the strongest kage in his era. It doesn't in fact you just embarrass yourself by not even coming up with a decent arguement to disprove the manga. Dan knew nothing about hiruzens prime, as hiruzen got his nick name during the second shinobi world war not the first, dan died prior to him getting his nickname. In fact hiruzen was aware of every technique in konoha and had mastery in them. Does minato? Was minato claimed the God of shinobi? Was minato stated to be the strongest hokage? nope lol keep trolling kid. I'd also like to state that your argument is fueled on hype while mine is pure facts written in the manga. Just because its in part 1 doesn't make it irrelevant or wrong. No where in the manga has it ever been stated that the strongest hokage was hashirama or minato, only hiruzen.

 

[youralltrolls]

5 freaking years ago. get it? kishis changed his mind. in part 2, hashirama and minato are superior once we found out what they were capable of.

No I don't get it, neither of those characters were stated to be konoha's strongest hokage, shared the same title as the sage of six paths, or were stated to be the strongest kage in their except for hashriama, he was the strongest ninja of his era.

actually pain and edo madara have both been named as gods.he was CALLED god of shinobi but obviously thats cos he was just strong. theres no suggestion he actually was that good because kishi has not seen fit to show us like he showed us minato and 3rd raikage and madara. as i said before kishi can change his mind whenever he wants and right now hiruzen is looking less and less impressive the more kishi forgets about him.
no. all of amekagure admired him as an unbeatable god handing out judgement

Oh all of amekagure? Too bad hiruzen was recognized by all five great countries as the God of shinobi. The fact that kishi wrote it in the manga provides proof itself that he was that good. In fact in the databook it states that if him and emna were together, they were an unbeatable duo. You should really check out your local barnes n noble or ebay and find a copy.

 

[Bogard]

So now to see who is stronger, we must just go by reputations and forget feats? Dafuq, if it's the case then why debate? Those who claim Hiruzen is stronger, all what i hear is that "he was call strongest hokage", "god of shinobi", no arguments at all.

 

[youralltrolls]

So now to see who is stronger, we must just go by reputations and forget feats? Dafuq, if it's the case then why debate? Those who claim Hiruzen is stronger, all what i hear is that "he was call strongest hokage", "god of shinobi", no arguments at all.

Your right there is no argument, its impossible to say minato or hashirama are realistically stronger when they weren't stated to be the strongest hokage konoha ever had. Its not being a fanboy its just accepting reality. Until its stated hashirama and minato are stronger then hiruzen, its fact that hiruzen was the strongest.